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Why did Ronnie take it?
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Ronnie didn’t miss, he hit the target. The goalie got lucky and guessed the right way. End of .. one of those things, move on1
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Yep gutted for him and for all of us how it unfolded but really think there is a decent striker in there who will get many goals if he gets service.cabbles said:Good height for the keeper. Wasn’t the worst pen in the world, but the height helped. Hope he can pick himself up from this and get a goal soon. Too soon to write him off for me. I still think he’ll come good
As has been said it just felt like a kick in the bollocks that summed up this poxy season and the frustration of what might have been if that goes in and we hadn't had numerous defensive errors etc over past few months.
We've not seen enough of Shwartz to write him off and he doesn't get the service to play his game so can't see how he is being written off. Hopefully he gets a chance and a run to show what he can do and hopefully yesterday's penalty puts a bit of fire in his belly and spurs him on.
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He hit the penalty well.cafcsinger said:Stockley in good form and has scored penalties at Exeter. Shinnie also in decent form which is a decent option but we let a clearly out of confidence striker take it? Probably being guilty of overthinking it and hindsight etc but was very surprised Schwartz took it and not all that surprised he missed.
It wasn’t some pissy dribbler.
Keeper goes the other way we are saying what a great pen.
id rather be talking about it being a great save tbh.2 -
Well of course. It was the last kick of the game and so it was even more importantTodds_right_hook said:If the penalty was in the 22nd minute, I reckon there would probably be 1,000 less posts in the subject.0 -
It was a gamble. But one that needed taking i think.
I am of the belief that to have a good chance of getting out of this league you need a 20-25 goal striker.
I know he hasn't got a chance of doing that this season but a player with that mindset heading into the business end of the season would be a huge plus and I believe Schwartz is the most natural of all our strikers on paper.
He needs a boost to get him going so any goal he gets might be the catalyst to push him on.3 -
this is like all those posts on the italialife forum back in 1994. why did Baggio take the penalty, worst ever to play for the Azzurri, only in the team because he's Italian, hope he never pulls on a blue shirt again, blah, blah, blah4
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Yeah but not as important a game as Oxford v Charltonrina said:this is like all those posts on the italialife forum back in 1994. why did Baggio take the penalty, worst ever to play for the Azzurri, only in the team because he's Italian, hope he never pulls on a blue shirt again, blah, blah, blah4 -
Penalties get missed every week. Would have been a good one to score as it might just have kept our extremely slim playoff hopes alive for a bit longer. Won’t have done Ronnie’s confidence much good though. Can’t have been high in the first place.0
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Ronnie took it because he was the taker of choice according to Bowyer, he has a good record of penalties compared with all the other players left on the pitch after the designated taker, Washington was no longer available, that's why he took it, and as has been stated, keeper goes the other way yipeee great choice.
It wasn't a bad penalty as such, just a little too low, and fortunately for them, the keeper gets a wrist to it and it goes over, could have gone anywhere.
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Let's have penalty takers with proven scoring pedigree from the spot...every time.cafcsinger said:Stockley in good form and has scored penalties at Exeter. Shinnie also in decent form which is a decent option but we let a clearly out of confidence striker take it? Probably being guilty of overthinking it and hindsight etc but was very surprised Schwartz took it and not all that surprised he missed.0 -
Ronnie Schwartz's penalty has generated much discussion. A slight digression, perhaps, but another Charlton penalty taker, the best we've had in recent years (probably the best ever), was Yoni Buyens. His career record is 21 penalties scored out of 23. The seven he scored in the Championship for Charlton are shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cEhi3JVjlc. They are as close as you can get to a work of art when taking a penalty, but that aside they pose one obvious question: how come the g/k goes the wrong way in all seven cases? This is not something we have to speculate about because the man himself told us; it's beyond me why he thought it a good idea to tell the world about his method, but he did. His method was to watch the g/k and not the ball, and to wait until the g/k started to move one way before placing the ball in the other corner.This is easier said than done, as clearly there's a very short period of time between seeing the g/k's move and having to strike the ball. I think his metronomic, unhurried run-up has been designed to help this juggling of the available fraction of a second; certainly, when you watch him doing it, it seems effortless. Others seem to need to introduce something artificial into their approach to the ball. I think Lyle Taylor adopted his walk-up in order to help him do the same thing, and clearly Bruno Fernandes achieves the same effect with his jump in the final stride.By the way, and rather strangely, one of the two that Buyens missed was when facing the keeper most people would say was our worst in recent times, Yohann Thuram! But maybe not so strange as this happened after they had been team-mates at Charlton and so Thuram presumably knew about Buyens' method.Back to Schwartz. I don't see that the fact he missed the penalty tells us anything about his ability or his nerve, especially as he struck it, not perfectly, but pretty well, and as we know he has a very good record on penalties. In any event, if performance on a penalty were indicative of more general football ability, then Man City would be bottom of the premier league.10
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Yes KHA as I said elsewhere, where Schwarz and many go wrong is looking at the ball instead of the goalie.
Schwarz signposted where he was going to kick it by his run up.
He didn't have a straight run up to the ball, but ran in an arc. It would have been a hell of a penalty to kick the ball in (sort of) 90% to the left from his run up & to goalie's right.
I believed I knew where the ball was going and said so.
He needs a straight slow run up or walk like Lyle, wait and see where the goalie goals and stick it the other way.
If the goalie doesn't move you need to stick it in a corner.
(Yes I know I've made it sound simple, but Lyle does).1 -
Why did Garry take it?10 -
Did. Before he became a bench warmerCovered End said:Yes KHA as I said elsewhere, where Schwarz and many go wrong is looking at the ball instead of the goalie.
Schwarz signposted where he was going to kick it by his run up.
He didn't have a straight run up to the ball, but ran in an arc. It would have been a hell of a penalty to kick the ball in (sort of) 90% to the left from his run up & to goalie's right.
I believed I knew where the ball was going and said so.
He needs a straight slow run up or walk like Lyle, wait and see where the goalie goals and stick it the other way.
If the goalie doesn't move you need to stick it in a corner.
(Yes I know I've made it sound simple, but Lyle does).0 -
Didn't see the game as was on 12 hour days, saw the penalty last night all I can say is what a terrific save, 19 times out of 20 that goes in.7
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It was decent’ish penalty, if keeper went wrong way, then it’s a goal - BUT it was at a nice height for the keeper IF the keeper went the right way - that said, it could easily have gone into the roof of the net off the keeperWhen I played football, I was the penalty taker, and I was pretty decent (I’m not kidding !!!) - I always put them along the ground into either corner - I only ever ‘missed’ one penalty, when it hit the inside of the post, pinged along the goal line, and hit the keepers head - the ball cannoned off his head down towards the corner flag - keeper knew nothing about it, but his teammates were treating him like he was Peter Shilton!!!
I hope this doesn’t further dent Ronnie’s confidence, he looked so dejected when it was saved - he would have been thinking just before the penalty ‘this is my chance to jump start my season’
I still think he will come good - it must be difficult to be away from home, foreign country, on your own, wife is pregnant (I think)4 -
It was certainly a decent save and not a bad penalty. We've been spoilt with the likes of Buyens and Lyle in the past.
I remember Andy Reid burying two penalties against Norwich - happy days.0 -
What.....like Schwartz you mean.ro_addick said:
Let's have penalty takers with proven scoring pedigree from the spot...every time.cafcsinger said:Stockley in good form and has scored penalties at Exeter. Shinnie also in decent form which is a decent option but we let a clearly out of confidence striker take it? Probably being guilty of overthinking it and hindsight etc but was very surprised Schwartz took it and not all that surprised he missed.5 -
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Schwartz struck it much better than Bruno Fernandez' one.5
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Hit post and ball didn't cross the goal line - Confirmed Miss, with follow up instinct saveLordflashheart said:I only ever ‘missed’ one penalty, when it hit the inside of the post, pinged along the goal line, and hit the keepers head - the ball cannoned off his head down towards the corner flag - keeper knew nothing about it, but his teammates were treating him like he was Peter Shilton!!!0 -
Proper set piece taker was Andy Reid, remember him sticking a penalty in on a Tuesday night in front of the away end at Ninian Park too.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:It was certainly a decent save and not a bad penalty. We've been spoilt with the likes of Buyens and Lyle in the past.
I remember Andy Reid burying two penalties against Norwich - happy days.0 -
"Nelson sinks the Victory" hahaChunes said:
Why did Garry take it?
First belly laugh of the day. Thank you.
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Agreed, Ederson should have saved it as it was at a similar height to the Ronnie one, and not even near the cornerWeegie Addick said:Schwartz struck it much better than Bruno Fernandez' one.0 -
Ok - I accept it was a miss, but you can’t have instinct save I’m afraid - keeper was completely unaware / in control of his actions - in fact if had dived the other way, it would probably hit his feet and either gone in, or come out to me to scoreDazzler21 said:
Hit post and ball didn't cross the goal line - Confirmed Miss, with follow up instinct saveLordflashheart said:I only ever ‘missed’ one penalty, when it hit the inside of the post, pinged along the goal line, and hit the keepers head - the ball cannoned off his head down towards the corner flag - keeper knew nothing about it, but his teammates were treating him like he was Peter Shilton!!!1 -
I was only kidding on the instinctive save!Lordflashheart said:
Ok - I accept it was a miss, but you can’t have instinct save I’m afraid - keeper was completely unaware / in control of his actions - in fact if had dived the other way, it would probably hit his feet and either gone in, or come out to me to scoreDazzler21 said:
Hit post and ball didn't cross the goal line - Confirmed Miss, with follow up instinct saveLordflashheart said:I only ever ‘missed’ one penalty, when it hit the inside of the post, pinged along the goal line, and hit the keepers head - the ball cannoned off his head down towards the corner flag - keeper knew nothing about it, but his teammates were treating him like he was Peter Shilton!!!0 -
I will admit I expected someone to pick up on me implying it wasn’t a miss, and you headed up the list of likely posters to do that 😉Dazzler21 said:
I was only kidding on the instinctive save!Lordflashheart said:
Ok - I accept it was a miss, but you can’t have instinct save I’m afraid - keeper was completely unaware / in control of his actions - in fact if had dived the other way, it would probably hit his feet and either gone in, or come out to me to scoreDazzler21 said:
Hit post and ball didn't cross the goal line - Confirmed Miss, with follow up instinct saveLordflashheart said:I only ever ‘missed’ one penalty, when it hit the inside of the post, pinged along the goal line, and hit the keepers head - the ball cannoned off his head down towards the corner flag - keeper knew nothing about it, but his teammates were treating him like he was Peter Shilton!!!
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Because he's best at taking them in training I guess, hindsight is a wonderful thing
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I was going to post this but wanted to read all posts first.Weegie Addick said:Schwartz struck it much better than Bruno Fernandez' one.
fernandez took a poor penalty and scored. The fact that it was a poor penalty gets forgotten as soon as the ball hits the net.
if the keeper got a hand to the penalty taken by Schwartz but the ball crossed the line, the penalty would be good because he scored.Fine margins.0
