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Sandgaard on TalkSport today [16/3/21]

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  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,005
    Talksport......producing polyfilla since 1995. 

    Thomas interview was nothing new from yesterday. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    edited March 2021
    It’s certainly saved TS the awkward decision of stick or twist at the end of the season. 
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Looks like Birmingham came knocking, Lee showed a bit of interest and Thomas agreed he could go pretty swiftly.  
  • Killarahales
    Killarahales Posts: 1,063
    TS is clearly a long-term thinker (OK, a "100 year plan" sounds a bit OTT, but I think that's just his way of emphasising that). It certainly sounds like the new manager is lined up, so there must have been talks going on prior to this week. That makes me optimistic that we're going to be happy with the calibre of the new guy.
    Most of Jordan's points are invalidated by the fact that it seems that LB's contract didn't have a compensation clause (which is down to Mouthall). Why would he leave: he's now on a two-and-a-half year contract and whatever the rumours about what we were paying him, you can be pretty sure he's on more money.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,432
    eaststandmike said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Jordan obviously unaware that ESI sorted Bowyer's contract. Not Sandgaard. 

    I remember when Jordan was saying, Sandgaard needs to run the club as he wants to. 

    Also seems unaware Sandgaard has stated he will be getting a new manager in soon. 

    I wonder if TalkShite cut those interviews to make things seem more dramatic than they are. I like how calm Sandgaard was on there. 
    Surely new contracts were offered when Thomas took over, I doubt anyone working at the club has a valid ESI contract of employment.
    No. It could have been TUPE'd if the Employer had changed, however this is not relevant where the Employer remains the same. 

    As Charlton Athletic Football Company Liimited was transferred from ESI ownership to Sandgaard Capital ownership the Employing organisation has not changed. The owner of the organisation has. 

    If ownership was transferred from Charlton Athletic Football Company Limited to another employer say Charlton Pathetic Football Company Limited, then contracts would be subject to TUPE.

    I know football contracts are quite different to a regular contract so the aboe may not apply. 
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,003
    As ppl have already mentioned it was a case of results being poor since xmas really, which Simon and White didnt touch upon. 

    TS wants to get out of this league ASAP and if the results continued to be poor he would have ended up sacking LB, either at the end of the season or the beginning of next if the poor form continued. Along with the form were the constant digging out of players in public, and he generally just seemed burnt out and dishevelled from the drama of the last year or so. LB saved TS the stress in resigning. 
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,292
    eaststandmike said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Jordan obviously unaware that ESI sorted Bowyer's contract. Not Sandgaard. 

    I remember when Jordan was saying, Sandgaard needs to run the club as he wants to. 

    Also seems unaware Sandgaard has stated he will be getting a new manager in soon. 

    I wonder if TalkShite cut those interviews to make things seem more dramatic than they are. I like how calm Sandgaard was on there. 
    Surely new contracts were offered when Thomas took over, I doubt anyone working at the club has a valid ESI contract of employment.
    This is definitely not true. In fact in answer to a Trust question about his contract, TS said there was no rush to do anything as he had a contract already in place. All contracts were with CAFC not ESI.
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,324
    roseandcrown said:
    Jim trying to make a story that we will miss Bowyer and it is a massive spanner in our rebuilding plans. 
    Prick

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  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,324
    eaststandmike said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Jordan obviously unaware that ESI sorted Bowyer's contract. Not Sandgaard. 

    I remember when Jordan was saying, Sandgaard needs to run the club as he wants to. 

    Also seems unaware Sandgaard has stated he will be getting a new manager in soon. 

    I wonder if TalkShite cut those interviews to make things seem more dramatic than they are. I like how calm Sandgaard was on there. 
    Surely new contracts were offered when Thomas took over, I doubt anyone working at the club has a valid ESI contract of employment.
    That makes no sense at all. Of course they weren't. They weren't contracted to ESI they are contracted to Charlton. 
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 828
    We all pretty much know what happened here.  Sandgaard may have not made the decision yet but he knows there was a high likelihood that he was going fire him in the summer.  He thinks Bowyer is a good manager but doesn’t play the style that TS wants and doesn’t prefer the type of players that TS wants (ie Bower only wants old defensive midfielders and tidy central midfielders and has struggled with any creative midfielders).  The possibility that someone will be signed by the end of the week makes it pretty clear that preliminary early stage conversations with out of contract managers were already taking place.   TS may be publicly optimistic but behind the scenes he knows that making the playoffs this year was a stretch with our current squad so he wasn’t going to make a change mid season being sensitive to the fans loyalty to Bowyer (until recently).  When Bowyer decided to take Birmingham, it was a blessing in disguise for him as now he can make a move earlier and start the new manager building the style of play for next year.  Even though a good amount of the squad will potentially turnover, it will be helpful for those who will still be here
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,837
    most new owners always want to bring in their own appointed manager eventually
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,018
    Getting rid of Bowyer would have been a divisive move by Sandgaard and he knows it - this has saved him that aggravation, and potentially a bit of money too.

    As to whether he's been actively looking for a replacement (or had Roddy doing so) I am not sure but I would be very surprised if he hadn't at least been starting to look at what is out there.
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,424
    MattF said:
    Obviously Simon Jordan doesn't watch too many Charlton games then
    You do surprise me! ;)
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,880
    roseandcrown said:
    Jim trying to make a story that we will miss Bowyer and it is a massive spanner in our rebuilding plans. 

    Dickhead that bloke.

    The club hasn't died just because bowyer left. He's not the reason we exist. Just a manager. Managers come and go.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,762
    Could anyone post a link if it's not too much trouble please?
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,874
    shirty5 said:
    Jordan again on the money. 
    Two watch, orange wanker!
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,529
    jimmymelrose said:
    Could anyone post a link if it's not too much trouble please?
    https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1615888800/1615892400/ begins at about 5.00 minutes
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,990
    Dazzler21 said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Jordan obviously unaware that ESI sorted Bowyer's contract. Not Sandgaard. 

    I remember when Jordan was saying, Sandgaard needs to run the club as he wants to. 

    Also seems unaware Sandgaard has stated he will be getting a new manager in soon. 

    I wonder if TalkShite cut those interviews to make things seem more dramatic than they are. I like how calm Sandgaard was on there. 
    Surely new contracts were offered when Thomas took over, I doubt anyone working at the club has a valid ESI contract of employment.
    No. It could have been TUPE'd if the Employer had changed, however this is not relevant where the Employer remains the same. 

    As Charlton Athletic Football Company Liimited was transferred from ESI ownership to Sandgaard Capital ownership the Employing organisation has not changed. The owner of the organisation has. 

    If ownership was transferred from Charlton Athletic Football Company Limited to another employer say Charlton Pathetic Football Company Limited, then contracts would be subject to TUPE.

    I know football contracts are quite different to a regular contract so the aboe may not apply. 
    I imagine that's why Tone is still at the club. Difficult to get rid of straight away as he has a contract. TS probably biding his time until it's up or 'restructuring' to get rid of his job. I hope so anyway.


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  • Rudders22
    Rudders22 Posts: 3,876

  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,072
    Do you think that Sandgaard was preparing for life without Bowyer, either now or in a couple of months time? It would explain why he seems pretty chilled about it all and is confident we’ll have a new manager in before the week is out. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,018
    se9addick said:
    Do you think that Sandgaard was preparing for life without Bowyer, either now or in a couple of months time? It would explain why he seems pretty chilled about it all and is confident we’ll have a new manager in before the week is out. 
    TS seems like the kind of person who would at least account for the possibility, you don't get success by not anticipating such things.

    He seems to have been genuine in giving Bowyer the chance to reach play offs but I would be very surprised if he wasn't at the very least monitoring some options even if he was not actively planning anything.
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    MattF said:
    Obviously Simon Jordan doesn't watch too many Charlton games then
    The fella clearly isn't as stupid as he looks. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,752
    edited March 2021
    Arsenetatters said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Jordan obviously unaware that ESI sorted Bowyer's contract. Not Sandgaard. 

    I remember when Jordan was saying, Sandgaard needs to run the club as he wants to. 

    Also seems unaware Sandgaard has stated he will be getting a new manager in soon. 

    I wonder if TalkShite cut those interviews to make things seem more dramatic than they are. I like how calm Sandgaard was on there. 
    Surely new contracts were offered when Thomas took over, I doubt anyone working at the club has a valid ESI contract of employment.
    No. It could have been TUPE'd if the Employer had changed, however this is not relevant where the Employer remains the same. 

    As Charlton Athletic Football Company Liimited was transferred from ESI ownership to Sandgaard Capital ownership the Employing organisation has not changed. The owner of the organisation has. 

    If ownership was transferred from Charlton Athletic Football Company Limited to another employer say Charlton Pathetic Football Company Limited, then contracts would be subject to TUPE.

    I know football contracts are quite different to a regular contract so the aboe may not apply. 
    I imagine that's why Tone is still at the club. Difficult to get rid of straight away as he has a contract. TS probably biding his time until it's up or 'restructuring' to get rid of his job. I hope so anyway.

    Non-football staff aren't generally employed on fixed term contracts. Keohane has been there about six years so would have accrued employment rights anyway, but I don't think he's still there for (club) financial reasons. If TS appointed a chief executive he could restructure him out.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,061
    edited March 2021
    White & Jordan clearly ignorant of everything that has gone on and how Charlton have preformed in the last 4 months. Their musings would have been correct mid November.
  • barstool
    barstool Posts: 1,355
    edited March 2021
    I have a feeling Thomas has known for a few weeks if not more, so they have a had a head start in the Manager recruitment, hence his bullish response  
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,432
    There is always the option that they have both been aware a while:

    Maybe Bowyer told Sandgaard he was to be looking for a job come the end of the season?

    Maybe Sandgaard told Bowyer he can start looking for a new job as he'd be replaced come the end of the season.

    More speculation obviously. 
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,280
    They are clearly are not up to speed on all things C.A.F.C, I don't expect them to be, its just another story to catch listeners and sell advertising. I don't think the story even made the BBC sports pages, if it did it wasn't up long. As for the departure of Bowyer, I think everyone thinks its probably for the best and we can all agree on that.
  • Taxi_Lad
    Taxi_Lad Posts: 3,778
    it may just be my impression but since LB became our manager we have been in the media quite a lot considering our lowly league status. If TS brings someone in who is more low profile it will be interesting to see if media coverage remains 

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