It's almost certain that you'll be able to watch the games from abroad.
Yeah I doubt that will stop as the service has been running for a few seasons anyway. The pregame show may get dropped though, and we could have to have to go back to single camera angle, lower definition iFollow feeds, rather than the slicker CAFC provided stream, but these are what we've been getting for away games anyway.
Perhaps the Trust could petition the club to keep this going. I’m sure Thomas would understand why it would be a popular decision.
It's on the list of a few things we're talking with the club about. The main hurdle is likely to be the EFL's broadcast deal which I believe prohibits streaming of Sat 3pm matches in UK & Ireland and still has at least a couple of years to run. It was changed specifically and only because of Covid. But let's see - you would hope something could be worked out for the benefit of all parties given the sucess of streaming in general and Charlton TV in particular.
I cannot believe 'the trust' are backing the idea of the continuation of the live streaming matches when fans are allowed back in stadiums, this will lead to a decline in attendances & will kill lower league & non league clubs. We have already have the opportunity of seeing all the goals/ highlights on Quest tv & Sky, something that was never available years ago. The trust should be helping the club sell season tickets to people in SE London & kent rather than worrying about people who have deserted the local area or cannot be bothered to leave their homes to support their team.
Are you for real ? Deserted the local area, you arrogant twat. I think I’d better leave it there.
I was the culprit that initially raised the question at Bromley Addicks, praising Charlton TV. It's amazing the debate sparked off by such an effective medium which has been handed to us.
Clearly no self respecting supporter, if given the chance and opportunity, would turn down a live match at The Valley over watching it on a screen at home. The rituals, the noise, the smell of the frying onions, nothing can replace that.
But lives and circumstances do change, as mine has done over the past six years with the arrival of two boys. I can't get to the games as often as I like any more but being able to stream has enabled me to keep a connection going. And in the past year, both of my boys have enjoyed having the game on when I have been able to purchase a stream (well the younger one does tend to lose interest quickly). I have been able to explain to the eldest more about the game than if I had been at a live match to which he has only been to one, and has been waiting to return. He'll be that more knowledgeable about the game and the team next time he returns, hopefully next season. And so personally Charlton TV has been amazing in that aspect.
Should it continue? I hope in some guise it will. Even if it is not to stream games, a weekly in-depth highlight show with some focus on the Womens team, the Juniors, Upbeats etc would be great and I expect lots of interest from fans there. It could really work commercially still and it be a shame to lose the Scott and Curbs double act too. Their chemistry has been spot on.
Let's see what the future holds, technology is on the march, will regulations keep up and allow flexibility?
Just happy we still have a club and me and my boys will look forward to seeing the team back in action either on screen or live at The Valley many times to come next season and beyond.
In terms of dodgy streams, you would hope that most Charlton fans wouldn't wish to cheat their own club financially.
My point exactly mate. I dont think many do but certain circumstances dictate some cant get to all the games so if there is no option I will get the stream from wherever I can. I have already said I personally would be more than happy to pay the same price as a match ticket. I'm not trying to rob the club I'm trying to give them my £ which if I cant spend with them I will have to spend elsewhere on another stream
In terms of dodgy streams, you would hope that most Charlton fans wouldn't wish to cheat their own club financially.
People already do, If the club increase the price more people will. I know people who bought rogue devices which give them access to all efl streams plus Sky/BT channels. My season ticket seat is £575, which works out at £25 per match for 23 matches, would people be prepared to pay that for a stream? A Valley Express pass for 23 home matches is £210, the cheapest adult season ticket is £260, which is already £30 more than streams for all home league matches. To travel by coach & purchase away tickets probably works out at about £40 a match over a season, will people be prepared to pay that for a stream? The red button service on Sky for championship matches is good for those who are paying Sky subscriptions, again not cheap if you are already a season ticket holder or regular supporter. Instead of when people would attend a non-league match at Welling/Dartford/Bromley etc when we were away, they would probably prefer to sit indoors & watch the stream, this can only harm these clubs.
I still feel a lot of this is jumping the gun, certainly in terms of the UK. I have already mentioned how I cannot see the much smaller clubs in League 1 and 2 not being remotely intrested in this in terms of lost revenue
What I cannot also see happening is the host/exclusive rights holder (Sky Sports) going along with this. They pay the EFL for the exclusive rights. They do not show all the matches, but that does not mean they want other providers doing it (in this case the individual clubs), become that means they have potential other viewers not watching their channels at the same time.
It has been mentioned on here how they have the red button Championshop option, but that is only the midweek games and with the single camera. Sky do this as on those nights BT have the Champions League and just one Championship game on Sky will not stop the majority switching over. Show all the Championship games over 2 nights (again done deliberately to limit BT viewers) and Sky know that people will watch their own clubs rather than Champions League, but less so another Championshop game.
Might well be the compromise is Sky for the remainder of their contract with the EFL show all 3 leagues via the Red button, but I'm not convinced at this stage they will say to the clubs, carry on, show this content on your own platform so Sky lose viewers and none of this additional revenue goes to them.
I think the majority of people on this thread favouring the streams don't live near The Valley and would rarely attend. So I agree their stream revenue is beneficial. What is mainly being ignored is the vast majority who live closer and are more likely to attend, but won't if there is an available stream.
Next season when people are perhaps finishing work at 6pm and would have to make a massive effort to get to The Valley for 19.45 KO, it is understandable that they may prefer to go straight home on a cold and wet night and watch the Crewe/Fleetwood/Shrewsbury/Cambridge game in the warmth of their home.
I still recall sitting in The Royal Oak, just me and the bar maid for about 20 mins, 18 months ago for a JPT game and I'm also confident that the actual attendees for some of those midweek games a couple of seasons ago were 5,000 maximum, announced as 9,000. Even some of the Saturday games had about 7,000 announced as 10,000 (or thereabouts).
Muttley has had the best idea with either a S/T or you have to buy a block of games and something needs to be done about dodgy streams (but doubt it will).
CAST have simply agreed with the club that we will provide some thoughts / have a discussion regarding streaming in future. Thomas himself said at Bromley Addicks meeting, I believe, that he would like to continue Charlton TV.
We are fully aware of the commercial aspects- it can only be a possibility if structured in a way that makes sense for clubs/EFL, fans and broadcasters. I can envisage something making more sense in L1/2 - where few games are broadcast live so it is potentially an incremental revenue opportunity - than it does in the Championship.
Feel free to email thoughts to secretary@castrust.org.
PS We have been actively supporting the season ticket campaign and CAST is open to all Charlton fans from Plumstead to Prague or Sevenoaks to Stockholm via Shetland.
I think the majority of people on this thread favouring the streams don't live near The Valley and would rarely attend. So I agree their stream revenue is beneficial. What is mainly being ignored is the vast majority who live closer and are more likely to attend, but won't if there is an available stream.
Next season when people are perhaps finishing work at 6pm and would have to make a massive effort to get to The Valley for 19.45 KO, it is understandable that they may prefer to go straight home on a cold and wet night and watch the Crewe/Fleetwood/Shrewsbury/Cambridge game in the warmth of their home.
I still recall sitting in The Royal Oak, just me and the bar maid for about 20 mins, 18 months ago for a JPT game and I'm also confident that the actual attendees for some of those midweek games a couple of seasons ago were 5,000 maximum, announced as 9,000. Even some of the Saturday games had about 7,000 announced as 10,000 (or thereabouts).
Muttley has had the best idea with either a S/T or you have to buy a block of games and something needs to be done about dodgy streams (but doubt it will).
Financially the club would would be ok if despite having a season ticket, people chose to stay at home rather than watch Accrington in an evening match as the £10 streaming fee would on average cover the amount spent on food and drink spent per head.
Not great for the atmosphere though if 3000 S/T holders choose to watch on TV instead
I think the majority of people on this thread favouring the streams don't live near The Valley and would rarely attend. So I agree their stream revenue is beneficial. What is mainly being ignored is the vast majority who live closer and are more likely to attend, but won't if there is an available stream.
Next season when people are perhaps finishing work at 6pm and would have to make a massive effort to get to The Valley for 19.45 KO, it is understandable that they may prefer to go straight home on a cold and wet night and watch the Crewe/Fleetwood/Shrewsbury/Cambridge game in the warmth of their home.
I still recall sitting in The Royal Oak, just me and the bar maid for about 20 mins, 18 months ago for a JPT game and I'm also confident that the actual attendees for some of those midweek games a couple of seasons ago were 5,000 maximum, announced as 9,000. Even some of the Saturday games had about 7,000 announced as 10,000 (or thereabouts).
Muttley has had the best idea with either a S/T or you have to buy a block of games and something needs to be done about dodgy streams (but doubt it will).
Financially the club would would be ok if despite having a season ticket, people chose to stay at home rather than watch Accrington in an evening match as the £10 streaming fee would on average cover the amount spent on food and drink spent per head.
Not great for the atmosphere though if 3000 S/T holders choose to watch on TV instead
Absolutely, but also bear in mind that if S/T holders don't make the effort to attend games that they have already paid for, what is the chance of non S/T holders making the effort when they haven't paid. There is definitely a solution to be found, but it's not straightforward.
If you live near to The Valley and would prefer to take the stream rather than attend I think it’s most likely you wouldn’t attend, stream or not. There are I accept some “armchair fans” who rarely attend but they might be tempted to increase club revenue and take a stream. I wonder just how many fans the club has who live at a distance that makes it very difficult if not impossible to attend home matches regularly. I now live in West Yorkshire and a trip door to door is just under four hours. How often do you think I will attend ? I’ve not had a chance to test out the practicality yet but I doubt I’ll attend more than half a dozen matches at The Valley at best. I would take a stream for every game if available which would increase revenue to the club from me from nothing to something.
I suppose there are two key numbers. One is how many Charlton fans can't get to games for whatever reason and the second is how many of them would be in the market to buy a stream.
If you live near to The Valley and would prefer to take the stream rather than attend I think it’s most likely you wouldn’t attend, stream or not. There are I accept some “armchair fans” who rarely attend but they might be tempted to increase club revenue and take a stream. I wonder just how many fans the club has who live at a distance that makes it very difficult if not impossible to attend home matches regularly. I now live in West Yorkshire and a trip door to door is just under four hours. How often do you think I will attend ? I’ve not had a chance to test out the practicality yet but I doubt I’ll attend more than half a dozen matches at The Valley at best. I would take a stream for every game if available which would increase revenue to the club from me from nothing to something.
Some people though live distances from the Valley that while it's still perfectly doable, are far enough away to make the midweek journey home a bit of a slog. Getting home at 7pm on a Saturday is different from the same journey home on a Tuesday, arriving at 11:30pm.
My door to door time driving is approx 5 hours traffic dependent. I attend more away games than I do home as the ones in the north and Midlands are obviously within decent travel time. If I'm lucky I will get to about 8 - 10 home games a season. The games I miss will be lost revenue to the club. Speaking personally i will still go to the same amount of games whether there is a stream or not. In answer to your question @Clive yes i would be more than happy to pay the season ticket price for the stream covering the games i cant get too. After all I'm one of the people that have deserted SE London ( your words ) but bear in mind people like me that travel to home games are paying in excess of £200 ish per game and are happy doing so, does that still make you a more worthy fan ?
I think the majority of people on this thread favouring the streams don't live near The Valley and would rarely attend. So I agree their stream revenue is beneficial. What is mainly being ignored is the vast majority who live closer and are more likely to attend, but won't if there is an available stream.
Next season when people are perhaps finishing work at 6pm and would have to make a massive effort to get to The Valley for 19.45 KO, it is understandable that they may prefer to go straight home on a cold and wet night and watch the Crewe/Fleetwood/Shrewsbury/Cambridge game in the warmth of their home.
I still recall sitting in The Royal Oak, just me and the bar maid for about 20 mins, 18 months ago for a JPT game and I'm also confident that the actual attendees for some of those midweek games a couple of seasons ago were 5,000 maximum, announced as 9,000. Even some of the Saturday games had about 7,000 announced as 10,000 (or thereabouts).
Muttley has had the best idea with either a S/T or you have to buy a block of games and something needs to be done about dodgy streams (but doubt it will).
But you would also get revenue from fans who would never have considered attending a mid-week game vs Fleetwood due to distance or effort involved to attend, but would pay for a stream because it's so much more convenient.
I think the majority of people on this thread favouring the streams don't live near The Valley and would rarely attend. So I agree their stream revenue is beneficial. What is mainly being ignored is the vast majority who live closer and are more likely to attend, but won't if there is an available stream.
Next season when people are perhaps finishing work at 6pm and would have to make a massive effort to get to The Valley for 19.45 KO, it is understandable that they may prefer to go straight home on a cold and wet night and watch the Crewe/Fleetwood/Shrewsbury/Cambridge game in the warmth of their home.
I still recall sitting in The Royal Oak, just me and the bar maid for about 20 mins, 18 months ago for a JPT game and I'm also confident that the actual attendees for some of those midweek games a couple of seasons ago were 5,000 maximum, announced as 9,000. Even some of the Saturday games had about 7,000 announced as 10,000 (or thereabouts).
Muttley has had the best idea with either a S/T or you have to buy a block of games and something needs to be done about dodgy streams (but doubt it will).
But you would also get revenue from fans who would never have considered attending a mid-week game vs Fleetwood due to distance or effort involved to attend, but would pay for a stream because it's so much more convenient.
You would also have less people attending if it's a home game
I think all these points are relevant and can see all sides of the argument. However TS has gone on record that he wants to promote the club and appeal to a wider audience, he isnt going to do that ignoring 90% of the UK. 2 of my friends who have never been to Charlton in their lives ( the place not the ground ) bought the stream the last 3 games as I had told them what a good production it is. They originally bought it out of curiosity but low and behold bough the 2 afterwards and I'm sure they would have continued had the season not finished. I know that is only 2 people but that's an example of how a professional stream can attract football fans and even hopefully convert them into Charlton fans. TS is a shrewd cookie and I'm sure he will be thinking this way
I apologise if some of my earlier remarks have upset anybody, but i am concerned for the future of the game if it becomes to easy for people to stay indoors watching streams & not attend football matches, i am probably a rare case [mad] maybe, who has devoted my life to supporting Charlton which includes not missing a home match since the mid-seventies until lockdown & probably only missing a handful of away matches in that period & i made sure to never have a job that required missing a Charlton match or living too far from the Valley. As other people have mentioned on a cold wet Tuesday night in November how many people will travel to the Valley if they can stay indoors & watch the game on their tv. It is probably impossible to stop illegal streams & although it is heartening to read that people are willing to pay over the odds to watch legal live streams, many people will still prefer to use illegal methods. This discussion has been going for most of this season & in no way did i mean to upset the two people on this forum recovering from their recent ill health. I am not pretending to be more worthy than anybody else & all i want is to see a full Valley & as many people as possible follow the team to away matches to try & get the club back up the leagues asap.
I apologise if some of my earlier remarks have upset anybody, but i am concerned for the future of the game if it becomes to easy for people to stay indoors watching streams & not attend football matches, i am probably a rare case [mad] maybe, who has devoted my life to supporting Charlton which includes not missing a home match since the mid-seventies until lockdown & probably only missing a handful of away matches in that period & i made sure to never have a job that required missing a Charlton match or living too far from the Valley. As other people have mentioned on a cold wet Tuesday night in November how many people will travel to the Valley if they can stay indoors & watch the game on their tv. It is probably impossible to stop illegal streams & although it is heartening to read that people are willing to pay over the odds to watch legal live streams, many people will still prefer to use illegal methods. This discussion has been going for most of this season & in no way did i mean to upset the two people on this forum recovering from their recent ill health. I am not pretending to be more worthy than anybody else & all i want is to see a full Valley & as many people as possible follow the team to away matches to try & get the club back up the leagues asap.
I suppose a possible evolution is entrance to watch a game is a token fee to create the atmosphere (people attending) for the stream.
If you live near to The Valley and would prefer to take the stream rather than attend I think it’s most likely you wouldn’t attend, stream or not. There are I accept some “armchair fans” who rarely attend but they might be tempted to increase club revenue and take a stream. I wonder just how many fans the club has who live at a distance that makes it very difficult if not impossible to attend home matches regularly. I now live in West Yorkshire and a trip door to door is just under four hours. How often do you think I will attend ? I’ve not had a chance to test out the practicality yet but I doubt I’ll attend more than half a dozen matches at The Valley at best. I would take a stream for every game if available which would increase revenue to the club from me from nothing to something.
Some people though live distances from the Valley that while it's still perfectly doable, are far enough away to make the midweek journey home a bit of a slog. Getting home at 7pm on a Saturday is different from the same journey home on a Tuesday, arriving at 11:30pm.
I fully understand your point and wasn’t thinking about those fans. I was thinking of the Charlton followers who don’t attend any more than a game once in a blue moon like Wembley for example but might well take a stream if it was there. If asked who they support they might reply Charlton but don’t have the inclination to attend.
Personally believe the best way around it, is to still offer the valley pass/Charlton TV to overseas fans- but whilst keeping the pre and post match chat with curbs still going - just having it played on the big screen and make an event out of the game!
Instead of music that’s played currently whilst fans wait in the stadium, give them a reason to get in early! Give them something to watch on the concourse and in their seat aka the Charlton TV show!
Keeps production costs at the same rates whilst getting fans in their seats and included in on the action!
I apologise if some of my earlier remarks have upset anybody, but i am concerned for the future of the game if it becomes to easy for people to stay indoors watching streams & not attend football matches, i am probably a rare case [mad] maybe, who has devoted my life to supporting Charlton which includes not missing a home match since the mid-seventies until lockdown & probably only missing a handful of away matches in that period & i made sure to never have a job that required missing a Charlton match or living too far from the Valley. As other people have mentioned on a cold wet Tuesday night in November how many people will travel to the Valley if they can stay indoors & watch the game on their tv. It is probably impossible to stop illegal streams & although it is heartening to read that people are willing to pay over the odds to watch legal live streams, many people will still prefer to use illegal methods. This discussion has been going for most of this season & in no way did i mean to upset the two people on this forum recovering from their recent ill health. I am not pretending to be more worthy than anybody else & all i want is to see a full Valley & as many people as possible follow the team to away matches to try & get the club back up the leagues asap.
Point taken and that's fine mate. But to me not to keep the stream would be akin to a company limiting the sales of it's goods to a small geographical area. A good example of this would be a local microbrewery, just by it's very nature it will always remain micro. Not that I agreed with it but the reason those greedy clubs wanted a super league was to ring fence a global audience to capture the revenue that it would bring. That in itself was wrong imo but there is nothing to be frightened about by trying to grow the fanbase ( customers although not a popular name we are after all customers in any other way ) the group of fans in Germany that have been posting on here, along with the other fans all over the world, are they lesser fans than someone who lives in the shadow of the valley floodlights ? I do not believe that they are any different. We should all be one voice regardless of where we live. Believe me mate my life would be alot easier if I supported Liverpool or man Utd as both are within 45 mins from me and tbh I have lived nearer them for about the same length of time I lived in SE London but it is what it is and I'm cursed with having to support Charlton 😂
Streams I would fear would hurt the long term grow of clubs like Charlton.
You don’t support Charlton for the glory, the bug for me come from a young 7 year old going to his first game the crowd the noise the whole match day experience. You can’t replicate that on a steam and have that connection.
I can’t see the kids of the future falling for Charlton because there dad, uncle etc put it on the tele. It then becomes no different to Liverpool, Man U etc so why would they choose Charlton in league 1.
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Yeah I doubt that will stop as the service has been running for a few seasons anyway. The pregame show may get dropped though, and we could have to have to go back to single camera angle, lower definition iFollow feeds, rather than the slicker CAFC provided stream, but these are what we've been getting for away games anyway.
Clearly no self respecting supporter, if given the chance and opportunity, would turn down a live match at The Valley over watching it on a screen at home. The rituals, the noise, the smell of the frying onions, nothing can replace that.
But lives and circumstances do change, as mine has done over the past six years with the arrival of two boys. I can't get to the games as often as I like any more but being able to stream has enabled me to keep a connection going. And in the past year, both of my boys have enjoyed having the game on when I have been able to purchase a stream (well the younger one does tend to lose interest quickly). I have been able to explain to the eldest more about the game than if I had been at a live match to which he has only been to one, and has been waiting to return. He'll be that more knowledgeable about the game and the team next time he returns, hopefully next season. And so personally Charlton TV has been amazing in that aspect.
Should it continue? I hope in some guise it will. Even if it is not to stream games, a weekly in-depth highlight show with some focus on the Womens team, the Juniors, Upbeats etc would be great and I expect lots of interest from fans there. It could really work commercially still and it be a shame to lose the Scott and Curbs double act too. Their chemistry has been spot on.
Let's see what the future holds, technology is on the march, will regulations keep up and allow flexibility?
Just happy we still have a club and me and my boys will look forward to seeing the team back in action either on screen or live at The Valley many times to come next season and beyond.
I know people who bought rogue devices which give them access to all efl streams plus Sky/BT channels.
My season ticket seat is £575, which works out at £25 per match for 23 matches, would people be prepared to pay that for a stream?
A Valley Express pass for 23 home matches is £210, the cheapest adult season ticket is £260, which is already £30 more than streams for all home league matches.
To travel by coach & purchase away tickets probably works out at about £40 a match over a season, will people be prepared to pay that for a stream?
The red button service on Sky for championship matches is good for those who are paying Sky subscriptions, again not cheap if you are already a season ticket holder or regular supporter.
Instead of when people would attend a non-league match at Welling/Dartford/Bromley etc when we were away, they would probably prefer to sit indoors & watch the stream, this can only harm these clubs.
What I cannot also see happening is the host/exclusive rights holder (Sky Sports) going along with this. They pay the EFL for the exclusive rights. They do not show all the matches, but that does not mean they want other providers doing it (in this case the individual clubs), become that means they have potential other viewers not watching their channels at the same time.
It has been mentioned on here how they have the red button Championshop option, but that is only the midweek games and with the single camera. Sky do this as on those nights BT have the Champions League and just one Championship game on Sky will not stop the majority switching over. Show all the Championship games over 2 nights (again done deliberately to limit BT viewers) and Sky know that people will watch their own clubs rather than Champions League, but less so another Championshop game.
Might well be the compromise is Sky for the remainder of their contract with the EFL show all 3 leagues via the Red button, but I'm not convinced at this stage they will say to the clubs, carry on, show this content on your own platform so Sky lose viewers and none of this additional revenue goes to them.
What is mainly being ignored is the vast majority who live closer and are more likely to attend, but won't if there is an available stream.
Next season when people are perhaps finishing work at 6pm and would have to make a massive effort to get to The Valley for 19.45 KO, it is understandable that they may prefer to go straight home on a cold and wet night and watch the Crewe/Fleetwood/Shrewsbury/Cambridge game in the warmth of their home.
I still recall sitting in The Royal Oak, just me and the bar maid for about 20 mins, 18 months ago for a JPT game and I'm also confident that the actual attendees for some of those midweek games a couple of seasons ago were 5,000 maximum, announced as 9,000.
Even some of the Saturday games had about 7,000 announced as 10,000 (or thereabouts).
Muttley has had the best idea with either a S/T or you have to buy a block of games and something needs to be done about dodgy streams (but doubt it will).
Not great for the atmosphere though if 3000 S/T holders choose to watch on TV instead
There is definitely a solution to be found, but it's not straightforward.
But you would also get revenue from fans who would never have considered attending a mid-week game vs Fleetwood due to distance or effort involved to attend, but would pay for a stream because it's so much more convenient.
As other people have mentioned on a cold wet Tuesday night in November how many people will travel to the Valley if they can stay indoors & watch the game on their tv.
It is probably impossible to stop illegal streams & although it is heartening to read that people are willing to pay over the odds to watch legal live streams, many people will still prefer to use illegal methods.
This discussion has been going for most of this season & in no way did i mean to upset the two people on this forum recovering from their recent ill health.
I am not pretending to be more worthy than anybody else & all i want is to see a full Valley & as many people as possible follow the team to away matches to try & get the club back up the leagues asap.
It's like a restaurant refusing to do take-aways because it might stop people coming in for a sit-down meal.
Just charge roughly the same for either option.
People who want a night out will go out. People who want a night in will get a take-away!
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