So what do we need to do about this very large element that always pops up when England play in a major tournament?
Call it 'great atmosphere' and 'making a presence' but there's nothing more embarrassing than English fans drunk at 10am basically swarming all over London and causing damage wherever they go.
Got to the point where hundreds of them smashed through a gate, covid security and the concourse to break into the game without a ticket.
If we ever hoped to host a world Cup again, these fans will make sure it will never happen in our lifetimes.
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was out in marseille - yes was a bit of agg but the english out there were giving it back and prior to the russians and locals starting were acting like twats in my experience its usually the northerners that seem to be the biggest pricks of the lot - usually blackburn and burnley are high up on the twat scale.
last night atmosphere was terrible could tell many so called england fans had sold there tickets.
semi was unreal and as was germany but last night yeah ive been to a final but really wish i hadnt bothered.
The amount of youngsters I see today with little respect for anything or anyone is quite shocking.
Schools scared shitless to upset anyone. Police with no power.
The snowflake generation have a lot to answer for
Only have to look at our own forum whenever a big away day from history is spoken about. The fights are never spoken about in a negative fashion.
Lad culture mixed in with green street have caused young football fans to think that's how to properly support your team. See it a lot with away days at club level too. International tournament just mixes everyone together and makes the problem 1000x worse.
My wife is from an Italian family, they certainly seem to have a particular way of raising their children, and in this country it’s gone a bit weird; she is also a teacher and some of the stories I hear about parents conduct leaves me shaking my head.
It seems ok in this country now for 8 year old jimmy to call some a fucking wanker or punch another child because they’re ‘learning to stick up for themselves’!
My wife gave the example with her mum’s family, the Italian side, if they did something wrong, and she meant something really minor, she would get crucified (bad pun) and grandma would be straight on the phone and then be round in person to do the same, followed by all the other grandparents; then it would be all the Aunts and uncles!
Watching their fans celebrate it didnt look like a single one of them wanted to kick off for whatever reason, Ok they won but it would have been the same either way.
Is it just lazy parenting? Dad just wants to be in the pub/so doesn’t stop to think about the example he’s setting? Big subject I know…
Why in this country do we have this ridiculous ’Bro’ culture?
Every country has dickheads.
Saw some mental videos from Rome after the semi, not that it is an excuse, but it isnt just England
Why does it seem we have more dickheads?
Wellington called his army the "scum of the earth". European mothers threatened their misbehaving children that they would fetch an English soldier to sort them out if they didn't behave so bad was the behaviour of some of that "thin red line of heroes".
SOME English people get drunk and act up every weekend in towns and cities up and down the country.
And there are even people in other countries who aren't English who get pissed and act up.
Football just gives them a focus for their getting pissed and acting up and means the cameras are there.
It's nothing to do with discipline in schools, bringing back the birch, PC/Woke, the decline of empire, Brexit, Covid19, video games or any other popular excuse.
Hooligans (the original 1890s ones), razor gangs, teddy boys, mods and rockers, skinheads, bootboys, casuals, there is a long list of delinquent youth groups who's problems were caused by too much cinema or TV or stopping conscription or the cane or whatever the supposed demons were then.
There's just a minority, and it is a minority, of people who like getting pissed and acting up. Is there a problem with the way the English (and the British) view and deal with alcohol? Yes, there is IMHO but it's nothing to do with football or some national decline in standards. We've been piss head idiots (some of us) for centuries.
What do 'snowflakes' have to do with scumbags kicking off ? You do realise that dickheads at England's games wasn't invented by liberals in 2019 dont you ?
Er, that’s it.
That said, I do think a dose of national service and a quick birching would help restore a bit of decorum to the place.