Smacks of a recruitment team and management team not being aligned on what is needed
Smacks of panic buying to me.
We tried to sign him for three transfer windows.
Yes, but we hadnt for some reason.....the fee being the main reason I believe. So it comes to deadline day & we panic because we are losing matches & someone (TS or Adkins or who ever) decides that they must stop the rot.
If we had been after him for 18 months then why did we wait until Aug 31st & not buy him in June like we did with Stockley. Money obviously Was not the problem as we stumped up the £500k they wanted for him.
He signed on August 12th.
Still after the start of the season though
Indeed I imagine Crewe would rather have sorted it earlier in the window, if it was clear he would leave
I did hear, during the summer, there was a player we had agreed a fee for but refused to come unless we matched his release clause. I do wonder if it was Kirk and I do wonder if we actually did.
If a player has a release clause, you have to pay it if you want him early.
The fanfare around his signing was amplified by loads of teenage Charlton fans on Twitter who probably never watch Crewe Alexandra. There was nothing to suggest he’d be a world beater, the same way hardly anyone at this level is.
The fanfare around his signing was amplified by loads of teenage Charlton fans on Twitter who probably never watch Crewe Alexandra. There was nothing to suggest he’d be a world beater, the same way hardly anyone at this level is.
Smacks of a recruitment team and management team not being aligned on what is needed
Smacks of panic buying to me.
We tried to sign him for three transfer windows.
Yes, but we hadnt for some reason.....the fee being the main reason I believe. So it comes to deadline day & we panic because we are losing matches & someone (TS or Adkins or who ever) decides that they must stop the rot.
If we had been after him for 18 months then why did we wait until Aug 31st & not buy him in June like we did with Stockley. Money obviously Was not the problem as we stumped up the £500k they wanted for him.
He signed on August 12th.
That's not fair. Don't let the truth get in the way and spoil Golfie's little grumble.
The fanfare around his signing was amplified by loads of teenage Charlton fans on Twitter who probably never watch Crewe Alexandra. There was nothing to suggest he’d be a world beater, the same way hardly anyone at this level is.
He’s scored and created goals at this level. Need to play him and let him settle into the team if that’s going to happen.
At the moment he’s not even getting run off the bench. You could argue 4-3-3 worked well for a while against Bolton until we tired. Getting one or even both wingers off could keep that threat for 90 minutes.
We may find a better balance with one of CBT and Leko starting along with one of Kirk abs DJ. The former are quicker and more direct, being able to bring one on means we should always have that threat of pace out wide on the pitch.
I’d like to see if Kirk links up well with Purrington or Souare, it was never going to happen with Gunter.
Smacks of a recruitment team and management team not being aligned on what is needed
Smacks of panic buying to me.
We tried to sign him for three transfer windows.
Yes, but we hadnt for some reason.....the fee being the main reason I believe. So it comes to deadline day & we panic because we are losing matches & someone (TS or Adkins or who ever) decides that they must stop the rot.
If we had been after him for 18 months then why did we wait until Aug 31st & not buy him in June like we did with Stockley. Money obviously Was not the problem as we stumped up the £500k they wanted for him.
He signed on August 12th.
Still after the start of the season though
Indeed I imagine Crewe would rather have sorted it earlier in the window, if it was clear he would leave
I did hear, during the summer, there was a player we had agreed a fee for but refused to come unless we matched his release clause. I do wonder if it was Kirk and I do wonder if we actually did.
If a player has a release clause, you have to pay it if you want him early.
Smacks of a recruitment team and management team not being aligned on what is needed
Smacks of panic buying to me.
Maybe we'd been told there was a national shortage of wingers so we immediately rushed out to fill up our "tank" of wingers, even though we had more than enough anyway?
We have 4 wingers now (Leko and CBT looking best So far) while lots of teams have one winger and use attacking full backs instead. Charlie Kirk may adapt into more of a 10 or the role Lee(loanee) is playing at moment if he can sharpen up his finishing. Early doors and he could be a sharp signing.
We have choices but when players hit form(ASAP) they keep the shirt unless 3 games in a week when the nearest player to emulate that player comes in.
Quantum mechanics and Football tactics are poles apart but sometimes in football you can go from A to C without going through B. As long as you are not just giving aimless balls to Stockley when double marked !
Smacks of a recruitment team and management team not being aligned on what is needed
Smacks of panic buying to me.
We tried to sign him for three transfer windows.
Yes, but we hadnt for some reason.....the fee being the main reason I believe. So it comes to deadline day & we panic because we are losing matches & someone (TS or Adkins or who ever) decides that they must stop the rot.
If we had been after him for 18 months then why did we wait until Aug 31st & not buy him in June like we did with Stockley. Money obviously Was not the problem as we stumped up the £500k they wanted for him.
He signed on August 12th.
Still after the start of the season though
Indeed I imagine Crewe would rather have sorted it earlier in the window, if it was clear he would leave
I did hear, during the summer, there was a player we had agreed a fee for but refused to come unless we matched his release clause. I do wonder if it was Kirk and I do wonder if we actually did.
If a player has a release clause, you have to pay it if you want him early.
You don't have to. If a play has a release clause of 500k there is nothing to stop his club accepting a fee of 300k.
Looked good. I don't think he likes to smash the ball. All gentle and soft touches. He could do well watching and modelling himself on Robert Pires and how he became more lethal in time.
Smacks of a recruitment team and management team not being aligned on what is needed
Smacks of panic buying to me.
We tried to sign him for three transfer windows.
Yes, but we hadnt for some reason.....the fee being the main reason I believe. So it comes to deadline day & we panic because we are losing matches & someone (TS or Adkins or who ever) decides that they must stop the rot.
If we had been after him for 18 months then why did we wait until Aug 31st & not buy him in June like we did with Stockley. Money obviously Was not the problem as we stumped up the £500k they wanted for him.
He signed on August 12th.
Still after the start of the season though
Indeed I imagine Crewe would rather have sorted it earlier in the window, if it was clear he would leave
I did hear, during the summer, there was a player we had agreed a fee for but refused to come unless we matched his release clause. I do wonder if it was Kirk and I do wonder if we actually did.
If a player has a release clause, you have to pay it if you want him early.
You don't have to. If a play has a release clause of 500k there is nothing to stop his club accepting a fee of 300k.
You can haggle all summer over the fee, but the result is you don't get your player until the end of the window,instead of having a full preseason with him
Going by what I've seen of him, Kirk is crap. Constant step overs which
fool no-one, then ends up just playing it backwards. We start an
attacking move and he just grinds it to a halt, sucking out all the
momentum. All he wants to do is cut inside, yet he simply doesn't have
the skill to beat his marker, not forgetting that he really doesn't fit
into the current system. A dead rubber in my opinion. I'll wait to be
proven wrong, but I'm not holding out much hope.......................
Needs to rebuild some confidence. Too predictable last night but felt he was isolated at times, especially with Purrington in the back 3. Unfortunately the needed support didn’t come due to fatigue (I guess) from his team mates.
He will need to totally change his game to fit a 3-5-2/3-1-4-2 or whatever we are recognising our current formation to be, out wide. His past record shows he is effective with a full back partner. He doesn't currently look to have the raw attributes or confidence to run a wing alone which looking at how good some of the wing backs/wide midfielders in this system are in top sides is a serious job (and most of them are converted full backs rather than converted wingers).
I feel he would be better off in the Elliott Lee role in the long term but the obvious issue with that is Lee is probably our best player (and we presumably want to keep him).
I don't want to get on the lad’s back, especially as he’s had a difficult time personally but I’ve seen absolutely nothing so far to suggest that he’s anything other than bang average at best. Particularly disappointing as he was the closest thing to a marquee signing that we had last window. A lot of money for a project. I’ll keep hoping and wishing him the best but this has the same feeling as Ronnie Schwartz for me.
The guy has just list his dad, moved from up north to London, I am willing to write this season off for him. He has a positive history in L1 so willing to give him time to get over life changing events
The guy has just list his dad, moved from up north to London, I am willing to write this season off for him. He has a positive history in L1 so willing to give him time to get over life changing events
Not going to argue with any of that. Look at Gilbey for an example of how things off the pitch can affect their form.
DJ started off very slowly for us with a lot of fans unimpressed by his early performances.
Is now doing a lot better in the team as he's managed to regain his confidence, even in an unfamiliar position and is a proper pain in the arse for the opposition at the moment - Hopefully Charlie can learn from that himself.
Admittedly we havent seen anything to suggest why we tried so hard to sign him ( twice ) but he must have something otherwise why would we have done so. As I have said previously a lad that works for me played with him throughout their youth set up at crewe ( this lad got a career ending knee injury so was released at 18 ) according to him kirk when at it has all the talent in the world and can tear the opposition apart however when things get tough his head drops and doesnt have alot of fight. Maybe he needs a run of confidence games
Admittedly we havent seen anything to suggest why we tried so hard to sign him ( twice ) but he must have something otherwise why would we have done so. As I have said previously a lad that works for me played with him throughout their youth set up at crewe ( this lad got a career ending knee injury so was released at 18 ) according to him kirk when at it has all the talent in the world and can tear the opposition apart however when things get tough his head drops and doesnt have alot of fight. Maybe he needs a run of confidence games
74 Goal interactions in 206 games isn't bad for any winger
Admittedly we havent seen anything to suggest why we tried so hard to sign him ( twice ) but he must have something otherwise why would we have done so. As I have said previously a lad that works for me played with him throughout their youth set up at crewe ( this lad got a career ending knee injury so was released at 18 ) according to him kirk when at it has all the talent in the world and can tear the opposition apart however when things get tough his head drops and doesnt have alot of fight. Maybe he needs a run of confidence games
74 Goal interactions in 206 games isn't bad for any winger
I agree mate that's why I'm saying I think it's too early to say he is a dud! There is a player there we just need to get him playing and do it consistently
Despite having the lowest marks I have seen on the scores on the doors, other than Trevor kettle, a few weeks ago, the challenge is for the coaches and JJ to see if he can find a role in this team even if it's only when we have injuries (which is every week !) Putting him on for Lee in his role late on when we are not chasing the game is the only position at present where he may fit in. Retention of the ball is a big part of the game and with CBT, Leko and DJ being the flair players he needs to be the water carrier who is accurate with his passing. Lee is street ahead of him so he has to find his A game and fit in and contribute. More central and not inverse winger may help him reinvent himself at Cafc.
I like to see his stats at Crewe because does he have a clever agent or were Sheffield United really interested in Charlie Kirk ? If so he must've more in his locker that we haven't seen !
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At the moment he’s not even getting run off the bench. You could argue 4-3-3 worked well for a while against Bolton until we tired. Getting one or even both wingers off could keep that threat for 90 minutes.
We may find a better balance with one of CBT and Leko starting along with one of Kirk abs DJ. The former are quicker and more direct, being able to bring one on means we should always have that threat of pace out wide on the pitch.
I’d like to see if Kirk links up well with Purrington or Souare, it was never going to happen with Gunter.
We have 4 wingers now (Leko and CBT looking best So far) while lots of teams have one winger and use attacking full backs instead. Charlie Kirk may adapt into more of a 10 or the role Lee(loanee) is playing at moment if he can sharpen up his finishing. Early doors and he could be a sharp signing.
We have choices but when players hit form(ASAP) they keep the shirt unless 3 games in a week when the nearest player to emulate that player comes in.
Quantum mechanics and Football tactics are poles apart but sometimes in football you can go from A to C without going through B. As long as you are not just giving aimless balls to Stockley when double marked !
If he can do it, there's no excuse for lesser players
Too predictable last night but felt he was isolated at times, especially with Purrington in the back 3.
Unfortunately the needed support didn’t come due to fatigue (I guess) from his team mates.
I feel he would be better off in the Elliott Lee role in the long term but the obvious issue with that is Lee is probably our best player (and we presumably want to keep him).
Is now doing a lot better in the team as he's managed to regain his confidence, even in an unfamiliar position and is a proper pain in the arse for the opposition at the moment - Hopefully Charlie can learn from that himself.
Adjusting his style, was a panic buy imo.
Putting him on for Lee in his role late on when we are not chasing the game is the only position at present where he may fit in.
Retention of the ball is a big part of the game and with CBT, Leko and DJ being the flair players he needs to be the water carrier who is accurate with his passing. Lee is street ahead of him so he has to find his A game and fit in and contribute. More central and not inverse winger may help him reinvent himself at Cafc.
I like to see his stats at Crewe because does he have a clever agent or were Sheffield United really interested in Charlie Kirk ? If so he must've more in his locker that we haven't seen !