Charlie Kirk (p68 - released by Barrow)

nelsonsleftfoot

Winston Churchill once said this about Kirk  “He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." I am still to this day angry that he got a chance to play for Charlton when so many of our talented youngsters ended up being released and not given the chance. A powderpuff of a footballer who lacked effort and shat himself if a somebody came near him. 

MintoHumbugs

Although not a goal scorer himself he was always  first to chase and congratulate whoever scored. It was usually his only burst of pace seen during a game.
A case of always the bridesmaid never the bride.

Carter

Charlie Kirk is a total luxury player, one that ripped us a new one when we played against Crewe with him in the team. He also had Pickering behind him who did all his defending for him, had the engine to get up and support him, drag a man away from him which gave him space. When he played for us he did not have that, he could have been an x factor match winner in tight games but was never going to be hammering into tackles, and being honest when I see a 50/50 involving most professional wingers I mever expect the winger to do more than make it look like they were going in with intent, its not really what they are there for. I don't like it but I get it. 

I have said I don't think he did himself any favours at times and Sam Lavelle seemed to confirm that. Any argument about him seeing the money and running, thats not the case is it? Footballers get traded like commodities and if Crewe take a decent offer from a club in Venezuela, Charlie Kirk won't have too much say in that. I'm often reminded football is a shirt career and whenever I mention how I'm still not over Scott Parker leaving in January I'm reminded of that even if him bettering himself isnt what I was upset about. 

Anyone who has lost a parent will have different experiences, he was a young man when he lost his dad. The bloke who might have spent hours driving him to games, supporting him, encouraging him, giving him advice. Or not, I don't know, what I do know is a couple of different sources I've now heard say Charlie Kirk was not given any support from the club at the time.

He is clearly capable oof doing things most of us can't dream of doing on a football pitch but the big difference is most of us wouldn't have our desire or effort level questioned when playing football. Nobody could have questioned mine or my commitment given the volume of cards I picked up or the amount of games I played. I was however, shit, in the grander scheme and would have maddened lots of people when I got a rush of blood and sight of goal from 35 yards had a meaty swing at the ball and the shot resembled something Johnny Wilkinson would have been proud of. 

I'm not saying he was poor for us because he lost his father, it was a combination of us signing a player who would never have fitted as he didnt have a dynamic, defensively sound full back overlapping and supporting him, he was a long way from his support network, he didnt hit the ground running and was, let's not forget playing in a shit team

wmcf123

Carter said:

Charlie Kirk is a total luxury player, one that ripped us a new one when we played against Crewe with him in the team. He also had Pickering behind him who did all his defending for him, had the engine to get up and support him, drag a man away from him which gave him space. When he played for us he did not have that, he could have been an x factor match winner in tight games but was never going to be hammering into tackles, and being honest when I see a 50/50 involving most professional wingers I mever expect the winger to do more than make it look like they were going in with intent, its not really what they are there for. I don't like it but I get it. 

I have said I don't think he did himself any favours at times and Sam Lavelle seemed to confirm that. Any argument about him seeing the money and running, thats not the case is it? Footballers get traded like commodities and if Crewe take a decent offer from a club in Venezuela, Charlie Kirk won't have too much say in that. I'm often reminded football is a shirt career and whenever I mention how I'm still not over Scott Parker leaving in January I'm reminded of that even if him bettering himself isnt what I was upset about. 

Anyone who has lost a parent will have different experiences, he was a young man when he lost his dad. The bloke who might have spent hours driving him to games, supporting him, encouraging him, giving him advice. Or not, I don't know, what I do know is a couple of different sources I've now heard say Charlie Kirk was not given any support from the club at the time.

He is clearly capable oof doing things most of us can't dream of doing on a football pitch but the big difference is most of us wouldn't have our desire or effort level questioned when playing football. Nobody could have questioned mine or my commitment given the volume of cards I picked up or the amount of games I played. I was however, shit, in the grander scheme and would have maddened lots of people when I got a rush of blood and sight of goal from 35 yards had a meaty swing at the ball and the shot resembled something Johnny Wilkinson would have been proud of. 

I'm not saying he was poor for us because he lost his father, it was a combination of us signing a player who would never have fitted as he didnt have a dynamic, defensively sound full back overlapping and supporting him, he was a long way from his support network, he didnt hit the ground running and was, let's not forget playing in a shit team

The excuse about the left back is like saying that we didn’t cross the ball in for Ahadme .  Good players adapt- he didn’t .  And his mate Lavelle did him no favours on that podcast 

Carter

wmcf123 said:

Carter said:

Charlie Kirk is a total luxury player, one that ripped us a new one when we played against Crewe with him in the team. He also had Pickering behind him who did all his defending for him, had the engine to get up and support him, drag a man away from him which gave him space. When he played for us he did not have that, he could have been an x factor match winner in tight games but was never going to be hammering into tackles, and being honest when I see a 50/50 involving most professional wingers I mever expect the winger to do more than make it look like they were going in with intent, its not really what they are there for. I don't like it but I get it. 

I have said I don't think he did himself any favours at times and Sam Lavelle seemed to confirm that. Any argument about him seeing the money and running, thats not the case is it? Footballers get traded like commodities and if Crewe take a decent offer from a club in Venezuela, Charlie Kirk won't have too much say in that. I'm often reminded football is a shirt career and whenever I mention how I'm still not over Scott Parker leaving in January I'm reminded of that even if him bettering himself isnt what I was upset about. 

Anyone who has lost a parent will have different experiences, he was a young man when he lost his dad. The bloke who might have spent hours driving him to games, supporting him, encouraging him, giving him advice. Or not, I don't know, what I do know is a couple of different sources I've now heard say Charlie Kirk was not given any support from the club at the time.

He is clearly capable oof doing things most of us can't dream of doing on a football pitch but the big difference is most of us wouldn't have our desire or effort level questioned when playing football. Nobody could have questioned mine or my commitment given the volume of cards I picked up or the amount of games I played. I was however, shit, in the grander scheme and would have maddened lots of people when I got a rush of blood and sight of goal from 35 yards had a meaty swing at the ball and the shot resembled something Johnny Wilkinson would have been proud of. 

I'm not saying he was poor for us because he lost his father, it was a combination of us signing a player who would never have fitted as he didnt have a dynamic, defensively sound full back overlapping and supporting him, he was a long way from his support network, he didnt hit the ground running and was, let's not forget playing in a shit team

The excuse about the left back is like saying that we didn’t cross the ball in for Ahadme .  Good players adapt- he didn’t .  And his mate Lavelle did him no favours on that podcast 

Its not an excuse, I didn’t understand why we signed him and paid what we did if we weren't going to try and get the best out of him as opposed to exposing him, thats on the club/management not him. If we were a marauding winning team then yes, the onus is on him to fight and find his place but we were not a marauding winning side

killerandflash

Lavelle's comments are damning.  When a former teammate, who's still playing,  effectively says he hates it when he is lumped in with Kirk, that's brutal. 

Addick Addict

I find it amazing the number of posts there are for those former players that didn't perform for us compared to the the little interest there is for those that gave their all but who weren't quite good enough and are now doing well at the level their find themselves at. It's the same with academy players - the ones released are comparative nobodies but those "stolen" become the subject of pages and pages of disdain and in the case of some for decades and decades too.   

thewolfboy

At least Charlie Kirk scored a goal against Millwall! (Only a friendly though.)

Leroy Ambrose

Gribbo said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Gribbo said:

Uboat said:

‘I didn’t really want to come here, because I don’t like London and the manager seems like a weirdo, but when I saw the wages they were offering me I couldn’t wait to sign.’

Then went Barrow

Although there's some lovely country around the town tbf

Tbf Barrow has quite a lot of night life due to the BAE shipyards 

I know, I worked there for the last 3 years and its a hideous place, morning, noon and night.

£2 25 a pint in the King's though 

Can confirm - Barrow is an absolute fucking shithole. One of the grimmest places I can remember visiting. If anything, it's even worse than some of the East Lancs dumps like Accrington, Burnley and Bacup

soapboxsam

thewolfboy said:

At least Charlie Kirk scored a goal against Millwall! (Only a friendly though.)

So did Ajose in the 3-1 defeat at the Den but that didn't make him popular. Best to score in a 1-0 win!

YTS1978

When Sam Lavelle starts digging you out you know there's no return! Sam fucking Lavelle!!!! Seriously? That guy was an absolute wet lettuce! Kirk was rubbish though too. 

CaptainRobbo

Addick Addict said:

I find it amazing the number of posts there are for those former players that didn't perform for us compared to the the little interest there is for those that gave their all but who weren't quite good enough and are now doing well at the level their find themselves at. It's the same with academy players - the ones released are comparative nobodies but those "stolen" become the subject of pages and pages of disdain and in the case of some for decades and decades too.   

I don't remember  Defoe ever getting any stick  from Charlton fans

Gribbo

Leroy Ambrose said:

Gribbo said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Gribbo said:

Uboat said:

‘I didn’t really want to come here, because I don’t like London and the manager seems like a weirdo, but when I saw the wages they were offering me I couldn’t wait to sign.’

Then went Barrow

Although there's some lovely country around the town tbf

Tbf Barrow has quite a lot of night life due to the BAE shipyards 

I know, I worked there for the last 3 years and its a hideous place, morning, noon and night.

£2 25 a pint in the King's though 

Can confirm - Barrow is an absolute fucking shithole. One of the grimmest places I can remember visiting. If anything, it's even worse than some of the East Lancs dumps like Accrington, Burnley and Bacup

Walney Island seems slightly better, and Ulverstone is lovely tbh. But yeah, Barrow itself is grim af

Gribbo

...where can I find this video of Lavelle?

orpingtonRED

DamoNorthStand said:

I completely lost the plot for years after my mum died and it’s still affecting me in a few ways 13 years later. 

I just have a gut feeling that losing his dad hit him really hard - and that’s based on no knowledge just an opinion. Totally fell to bits on the pitch with us but the year before he joined he was a strong performer at league one level

Don't ever be afraid to ask for help bro. We all need it at times.

Sage

The biggest pretender I’ve ever seen step foot on a football pitch. He’ll continue to drop and wouldn’t be surprised if he goes without a club and has to call it a day once Altrincham see the real Kirk. 

FSLN1

The player he most reminded me of...was Francis Jeffers. Another talented player who didn't quite have the desire or the ability to take a few hits in order to make the most of his talent or graft hard enough in training and then got found out in matches. 

Like every Charlton player I wanted him to succeed but it was clear that he wasn't fast enough to play on the wing or robust enough to play either upfront or at number 8 (where he was tried for a few games) so he fell between a couple of stools. 

Maybe if we'd had a stronger side and he was playing around a few players who could compensate for his weaknesses then it wouldn't have mattered. Instead we had a weak team, a succession of managers and a revolving door on the changing room. 

IR94

FSLN1 said:

The player he most reminded me of...was Francis Jeffers. Another talented player who didn't quite have the desire or the ability to take a few hits in order to make the most of his talent or graft hard enough in training and then got found out in matches. 

Like every Charlton player I wanted him to succeed but it was clear that he wasn't fast enough to play on the wing or robust enough to play either upfront or at number 8 (where he was tried for a few games) so he fell between a couple of stools. 

Maybe if we'd had a stronger side and he was playing around a few players who could compensate for his weaknesses then it wouldn't have mattered. Instead we had a weak team, a succession of managers and a revolving door on the changing room. 

I remember after scoring 2 against Villa, I thought Jeffers would become a club legend, didn't do much after that

Radostanradical

IR94 said:

FSLN1 said:

The player he most reminded me of...was Francis Jeffers. Another talented player who didn't quite have the desire or the ability to take a few hits in order to make the most of his talent or graft hard enough in training and then got found out in matches. 

Like every Charlton player I wanted him to succeed but it was clear that he wasn't fast enough to play on the wing or robust enough to play either upfront or at number 8 (where he was tried for a few games) so he fell between a couple of stools. 

Maybe if we'd had a stronger side and he was playing around a few players who could compensate for his weaknesses then it wouldn't have mattered. Instead we had a weak team, a succession of managers and a revolving door on the changing room. 

I remember after scoring 2 against Villa, I thought Jeffers would become a club legend, didn't do much after that

I remembee this, he wasnt being played by Curbs. Made a bit of a fuss and got a chance scored 2, then never got a real run if games after.

Kips

Gribbo said:

...where can I find this video of Lavelle?

It's on a podcast called I had trials once. You'll find it on you tube.

fenlandaddick

@Gribbo link was on the Lavelle thread too. https://youtu.be/YScIpGBBHRc?feature=shared

hoof_it_up_to_benty

For someone who appeared 33 times for Charlton I can barely remember anything about him as a player. I suppose we have numerous signings that failed to impress.

Gribbo

Cheers chaps

Desmond Oulu

FSLN1 said:

The player he most reminded me of...was Francis Jeffers. Another talented player who didn't quite have the desire or the ability to take a few hits in order to make the most of his talent or graft hard enough in training and then got found out in matches. 

Like every Charlton player I wanted him to succeed but it was clear that he wasn't fast enough to play on the wing or robust enough to play either upfront or at number 8 (where he was tried for a few games) so he fell between a couple of stools. 

Maybe if we'd had a stronger side and he was playing around a few players who could compensate for his weaknesses then it wouldn't have mattered. Instead we had a weak team, a succession of managers and a revolving door on the changing room. 

The only time he didn't look out of place

Addicktion

killerandflash said:

Lavelle's comments are damning.  When a former teammate, who's still playing,  effectively says he hates it when he is lumped in with Kirk, that's brutal. 

Even worse it sounds like they're close mates and he still wants to be distanced from him on the pitch

wmcf123

Radostanradical said:

IR94 said:

FSLN1 said:

The player he most reminded me of...was Francis Jeffers. Another talented player who didn't quite have the desire or the ability to take a few hits in order to make the most of his talent or graft hard enough in training and then got found out in matches. 

Like every Charlton player I wanted him to succeed but it was clear that he wasn't fast enough to play on the wing or robust enough to play either upfront or at number 8 (where he was tried for a few games) so he fell between a couple of stools. 

Maybe if we'd had a stronger side and he was playing around a few players who could compensate for his weaknesses then it wouldn't have mattered. Instead we had a weak team, a succession of managers and a revolving door on the changing room. 

I remember after scoring 2 against Villa, I thought Jeffers would become a club legend, didn't do much after that

I remembee this, he wasnt being played by Curbs. Made a bit of a fuss and got a chance scored 2, then never got a real run if games after.

It was only the third game of the season.  He had a bit about him but couldn’t play up front on his own.  Played one glorious pass to Murphy for a goal and scored that brace, but did nothing else .  

Gribbo

fenlandaddick said:

@Gribbo link was on the Lavelle thread too. https://youtu.be/YScIpGBBHRc?feature=shared

That Gareth Seddon betting story was funny lol

aliwibble

Closing this to remove all the commentary about the other Charlie Kirk. Thanks for the heads up @Dazzler21

Stig

Thread is closed because 1. We don't do politics. 2. Other than a coincidence of name, it is completely unrelated to the topic of discussion. We'll keep it closed for a while and re-open a cleaned up version as and when it is appropriate. RIP.