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Charlie Kirk (p68 - released by Barrow)
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100% correct. 👍addick1956 said:
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.Covered_End_Lad said:The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.0 -
Can you really blame him though? He has no loyalty to us, signing that contract means his, very recently, widowed mum will never have to go without.SoundAsa£ said:
100% correct. 👍addick1956 said:
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.Covered_End_Lad said:The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
I would do exactly the same.1 -
Con artist? Have a day off.addick1956 said:
Yes I do blame him...what is it with people who naturally align to con artists and then reason that this is acceptable.Cafc43v3r said:
Can you really blame him though? He has no loyalty to us, signing that contract means his, very recently, widowed mum will never have to go without.SoundAsa£ said:
100% correct. 👍addick1956 said:
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.Covered_End_Lad said:The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
I would do exactly the same.7 -
Jesus fucking christ.addick1956 said:
Yes I do blame him...what is it with people who naturally align to con artists and then reason that this is acceptable.Cafc43v3r said:
Can you really blame him though? He has no loyalty to us, signing that contract means his, very recently, widowed mum will never have to go without.SoundAsa£ said:
100% correct. 👍addick1956 said:
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.Covered_End_Lad said:The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
I would do exactly the same.1 -
what planet are you on?addick1956 said:
Yes I do blame him...what is it with people who naturally align to con artists and then reason that this is acceptable.Cafc43v3r said:
Can you really blame him though? He has no loyalty to us, signing that contract means his, very recently, widowed mum will never have to go without.SoundAsa£ said:
100% correct. 👍addick1956 said:
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.Covered_End_Lad said:The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
I would do exactly the same.4 -
I fear the option to buy that was put in place for Kirk as part of the loan agreement with Blackpool means the Seasiders hold all the aces here and leaves a lot of the debate as to whether Kirk can be any good for us immaterial.
For example, if they are able to just hold out to see if Josh Bowler is sold before deciding, it could be a long summer. Kirk may even return to us for pre÷season and then depart again.
Admittedly I write this without a full understanding of the option to buy agreement. i.e. is it time limited and if so, crucially, for how long?0 -
They haven't taken the option, like we haven't taken the option on Famewo. Either deal could still be done on the "open market".Kips said:I fear the option to buy that was put in place for Kirk as part of the loan agreement with Blackpool means the Seasiders hold all the aces here and leaves a lot of the debate as to whether Kirk can be any good for us immaterial.
For example, if they are able to just hold out to see if Josh Bowler is sold before deciding, it could be a long summer. Kirk may even return to us for pre÷season and then depart again.
Admittedly I write this without a full understanding of the option to buy agreement. i.e. is it time limited and if so, crucially, for how long?1 -
Cafc43v3r said:MacInniss - LavelleDJ - Clare - Dobson - JFC - Fraser - CBTAnekeStockleyWhat's sad about that is with a slightly different shape that's an 11 that Jackson might seriously have set out0
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A bit optimistic having Inniss and Aneke both fit at the same time......Garrymanilow said:Cafc43v3r said:MacInniss - LavelleDJ - Clare - Dobson - JFC - Fraser - CBTAnekeStockleyWhat's sad about that is with a slightly different shape that's an 11 that Jackson might seriously have set out6 -
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Aneke is going to play 50 games this season. He has to, there's no-one else. When he breaks down Jason Euell is going to load his corpse onto a remote control car and pilot him round the pitch like it's Weekend at Bernie's. He will still have a better first touch than Jason.Cafc43v3r said:
A bit optimistic having Inniss and Aneke both fit at the same time......Garrymanilow said:Cafc43v3r said:MacInniss - LavelleDJ - Clare - Dobson - JFC - Fraser - CBTAnekeStockleyWhat's sad about that is with a slightly different shape that's an 11 that Jackson might seriously have set out
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With the same results. If we are serious on a top two finish then only two or three of those players are good enough.Garrymanilow said:Cafc43v3r said:MacInniss - LavelleDJ - Clare - Dobson - JFC - Fraser - CBTAnekeStockleyWhat's sad about that is with a slightly different shape that's an 11 that Jackson might seriously have set out0 -
I think the point is that we don't have the players for any formation because we don't have many players.wmcf123 said:3 -
I think we could put out a reasonable 1-4-1
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Kirk was completely underwhelming, of that there is little doubt.
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try2 -
Well, Kirk can still step in after CB-T has done his hammy.addick1956 said:
Not if C B-T is available for the same position.redlanered said:Kirk was completely underwhelming, of that there is little doubt.
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try
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Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.5
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Would like to see how he'd do in a system that actually suits him before we sell up12
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'undisclosed'SouthWest_Addicks said:Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.3 -
And that's the problem, isn't it. Two totally different players that happen to play in the same position. You can't swap them in and out and not change anything else.Oggy Red said:
Well, Kirk can still step in after CB-T has done his hammy.addick1956 said:
Not if C B-T is available for the same position.redlanered said:Kirk was completely underwhelming, of that there is little doubt.
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try0 -
That's how it should be, I don't understand why it's a problem. Swapping like for like in each position just makes you boring, predictable and easy to defend/plan against. Swapping one LW for a different type of player is perfect.Cafc43v3r said:
And that's the problem, isn't it. Two totally different players that happen to play in the same position. You can't swap them in and out and not change anything else.Oggy Red said:
Well, Kirk can still step in after CB-T has done his hammy.addick1956 said:
Not if C B-T is available for the same position.redlanered said:Kirk was completely underwhelming, of that there is little doubt.
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try3 -
We bought him for a good amount of money, he came with good pedigree, played well against us and in other Crewe games. I would like any new manager to take a good look at him before we make any decision. Don’t want us to lower our amount until that has happened.15
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Or we accept a 38 year goalkeeper that hasn’t played for 3 years in a straight swap.SouthWest_Addicks said:Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.3 -
If Jackson was still here I would agreeSouthWest_Addicks said:Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.
But New manager, new formation, new Ideas
I for one would love to see Kirk given Pre Season.
If we can get the player Crewe had then that could be a key part to promotion, someone whipping balls in to Stockley5 -
Can we organise a whip round for Blackpool?1
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Not sure Kirk's biggest strength is his crossing. It's not bad by any means but we wouldn't get the most of him by forcing him out wide, taking on full backs and wing backs.paulie8290 said:
If Jackson was still here I would agreeSouthWest_Addicks said:Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.
But New manager, new formation, new Ideas
I for one would love to see Kirk given Pre Season.
If we can get the player Crewe had then that could be a key part to promotion, someone whipping balls in to Stockley
We need to get the ball to his feet in and around the penalty areas and half spaces. He can use his intelligence to slide passes along the deck and have defenders facing their own goal line.
It's why I think giving him a free role in behind the strikers wouldn't be the worst idea, if he can put on some muscle over the summer.
All that said, I still expect him to be off before the season starts whether that's to Blackpool or elsewhere up north.2 -
Obviously I don’t know him but common sense suggests he doesn’t want to be here, I agree he’ll likely go to Blackpool towards the end of the window.
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