Crewe took our pants down in spectacular fashion on CK Expectations of getting a significant 6 figure fee for that one-paced lightweight are cloud cuckoo land.
Our experience with DJ and CK suggests there's quite the gulf between midtable 4th and midtable 3rd division quality
He was never rubbish for an us, he just wasn't good either. And yet a Championship club is interesting in buying him so clearly we didn't see his best.
I’m afraid I disagree in terms of Kirk when playing for us. It was like playing with ten men, and he occupied a significant position. The other players understandably saw him as an outlet, or at least as part of any progressive play we tried to construct, but he never stepped up. I think his waste of space play was a liability during matches. I honestly can’t recall in my minds eye anything good he ever did at Charlton, I have better memories of Christophe Lepoint. I am sure he is a good guy, and I am sorry he lost his dad, but it may be best and civilised all round if he moved on.
I said he wasn't rubbish and I stand by that. I'd define 'rubbish' as someone misplacing passes, losing possession easily, hiding, etc. (ala Alex Gilbey). Kirk was pretty tidy, although didn't offer much attacking threat. There were no gasps of frustration going round when he was on the pitch.
I can safely say he was one of the worst pieces of ‘rubbish’ business we have done in my 64 years of support.
Plenty worse that's for sure, Abbott to name one..
Loads more......loads, loads more.
Kirk joined us during one of our worst footballing periods ever, sinking to 2nd bottom at one stage. At the same time he has just lost his father & moved hundreds of miles away from his family. Then a new manager took over who wanted to play players out of position (defenders & wingers as wing backs) - a formation that doesn't suit Kirk.
Any wonder why he might not have been playing as well as he could. I think it would he foolish to sell him when we havent really given him a chance, in a settled team playing in his favoured position.
Christ, we gave players like Ben Reeves & Josh Parker more time than Kirk had.
He didn’t really want to be here in the first place….and never settled, for whatever reason/reasons. What makes you think he would want to return? I’d be very surprised to say the least.
If he didn't want to be here, why did he sign the contract
The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
100% correct. 👍
Can you really blame him though? He has no loyalty to us, signing that contract means his, very recently, widowed mum will never have to go without.
The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
100% correct. 👍
Can you really blame him though? He has no loyalty to us, signing that contract means his, very recently, widowed mum will never have to go without.
I would do exactly the same.
Yes I do blame him...what is it with people who naturally align to con artists and then reason that this is acceptable.
The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
100% correct. 👍
Can you really blame him though? He has no loyalty to us, signing that contract means his, very recently, widowed mum will never have to go without.
I would do exactly the same.
Yes I do blame him...what is it with people who naturally align to con artists and then reason that this is acceptable.
The bloke didn't play one full game in his natural position and we are all writing him off. He went on loan to club in the division above and they are keen to sign him permanently - tells you quite a bit.
Hopefully under a new manager in a different formation we can see some of the CK from his Crewe spell.
His natural position seems 'Wide of the mark' rather than wide left though.
He settled so well he couldn't wait to leave...Why the hell he left the North and caused Charlton to wate 500k only he can tell. It isn’t going to work now no matter how much we wish otherwise.
100% correct. 👍
Can you really blame him though? He has no loyalty to us, signing that contract means his, very recently, widowed mum will never have to go without.
I would do exactly the same.
Yes I do blame him...what is it with people who naturally align to con artists and then reason that this is acceptable.
I fear the option to buy that was put in place for Kirk as part of the loan agreement with Blackpool means the Seasiders hold all the aces here and leaves a lot of the debate as to whether Kirk can be any good for us immaterial.
For example, if they are able to just hold out to see if Josh Bowler is sold before deciding, it could be a long summer. Kirk may even return to us for pre÷season and then depart again.
Admittedly I write this without a full understanding of the option to buy agreement. i.e. is it time limited and if so, crucially, for how long?
I fear the option to buy that was put in place for Kirk as part of the loan agreement with Blackpool means the Seasiders hold all the aces here and leaves a lot of the debate as to whether Kirk can be any good for us immaterial.
For example, if they are able to just hold out to see if Josh Bowler is sold before deciding, it could be a long summer. Kirk may even return to us for pre÷season and then depart again.
Admittedly I write this without a full understanding of the option to buy agreement. i.e. is it time limited and if so, crucially, for how long?
They haven't taken the option, like we haven't taken the option on Famewo. Either deal could still be done on the "open market".
I just don't see where he gets in. We do not have the players to play in a 433 and that's the only system in which he can play.
What formation do we have the players for?
At the moment, something without full backs
Or center backs and one up top.
2-7-1?
Mac
Inniss - Lavelle
DJ - Clare - Dobson - JFC - Fraser - CBT
Aneke
Stockley
What's sad about that is with a slightly different shape that's an 11 that Jackson might seriously have set out
A bit optimistic having Inniss and Aneke both fit at the same time......
Aneke is going to play 50 games this season. He has to, there's no-one else. When he breaks down Jason Euell is going to load his corpse onto a remote control car and pilot him round the pitch like it's Weekend at Bernie's. He will still have a better first touch than Jason.
Kirk was completely underwhelming, of that there is little doubt.
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try
Kirk was completely underwhelming, of that there is little doubt.
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try
Not if C B-T is available for the same position.
Well, Kirk can still step in after CB-T has done his hammy.
Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.
Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.
Kirk was completely underwhelming, of that there is little doubt.
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try
Not if C B-T is available for the same position.
Well, Kirk can still step in after CB-T has done his hammy.
And that's the problem, isn't it. Two totally different players that happen to play in the same position. You can't swap them in and out and not change anything else.
Kirk was completely underwhelming, of that there is little doubt.
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try
Not if C B-T is available for the same position.
Well, Kirk can still step in after CB-T has done his hammy.
And that's the problem, isn't it. Two totally different players that happen to play in the same position. You can't swap them in and out and not change anything else.
That's how it should be, I don't understand why it's a problem. Swapping like for like in each position just makes you boring, predictable and easy to defend/plan against. Swapping one LW for a different type of player is perfect.
We bought him for a good amount of money, he came with good pedigree, played well against us and in other Crewe games. I would like any new manager to take a good look at him before we make any decision. Don’t want us to lower our amount until that has happened.
Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.
Or we accept a 38 year goalkeeper that hasn’t played for 3 years in a straight swap.
Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.
If Jackson was still here I would agree
But New manager, new formation, new Ideas
I for one would love to see Kirk given Pre Season.
If we can get the player Crewe had then that could be a key part to promotion, someone whipping balls in to Stockley
Got a feeling this will be one of those deals which will be completed on the final day of the window, after Blackpool finally sell someone to raise the money.
If Jackson was still here I would agree
But New manager, new formation, new Ideas
I for one would love to see Kirk given Pre Season.
If we can get the player Crewe had then that could be a key part to promotion, someone whipping balls in to Stockley
Not sure Kirk's biggest strength is his crossing. It's not bad by any means but we wouldn't get the most of him by forcing him out wide, taking on full backs and wing backs.
We need to get the ball to his feet in and around the penalty areas and half spaces. He can use his intelligence to slide passes along the deck and have defenders facing their own goal line.
It's why I think giving him a free role in behind the strikers wouldn't be the worst idea, if he can put on some muscle over the summer.
All that said, I still expect him to be off before the season starts whether that's to Blackpool or elsewhere up north.
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2-7-1?
I would do exactly the same.
For example, if they are able to just hold out to see if Josh Bowler is sold before deciding, it could be a long summer. Kirk may even return to us for pre÷season and then depart again.
Admittedly I write this without a full understanding of the option to buy agreement. i.e. is it time limited and if so, crucially, for how long?
The upside is that for a new manager, Kirk is potentially an easy/quick win. If Kirk starts to deliver, the new manager gets to demonstrate ability, making a difference. If Kirk continues to flounder, the new manager won't be faulted. If I'm the new gaffer I'd be tempted to give Kirk another try
But New manager, new formation, new Ideas
I for one would love to see Kirk given Pre Season.
If we can get the player Crewe had then that could be a key part to promotion, someone whipping balls in to Stockley
We need to get the ball to his feet in and around the penalty areas and half spaces. He can use his intelligence to slide passes along the deck and have defenders facing their own goal line.
It's why I think giving him a free role in behind the strikers wouldn't be the worst idea, if he can put on some muscle over the summer.
All that said, I still expect him to be off before the season starts whether that's to Blackpool or elsewhere up north.