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  • So what happens if everyone just pays the charge ?  
  • So every-time go to The Valley, it’s £12.50 less to spend in the pub, great.
    Car is only bloody ten years old and I didn’t even want a diesel, but at the time there were so few Petrol S-Max’s about.
  • MrOneLung said:
    So what happens if everyone just pays the charge ?  
    MrOneLung said:
    So what happens if everyone just pays the charge ?  
    Money is raised to spend on green initiatives.
  • Saga Lout said:
    I find it interesting that all these apparently "green" schemes miraculously increase revenue for the government... There was even someone saying that when everyone (or the majority, at least) has moved to ULEZ compliant vehicles, they'll have to start taxing them as well to keep their revenue up. Government, national and local seem to have no end of things to spend our money on.
    Exactly, if they were that bothered about the emissions, they should just ban the vehicles, not rake it in off those who use them.
  • Should have been announced ten years ago, giving people enough time to make their next purchase compliant.

  • People may be ignorant about it but I dont see how more could have been done to advertise it. There have been signs on the roads that it was coming for more than a year, there have been all sorts of advertising campaigns, my parents and partners parents who both live in Medway (as did my brother who lives in Abbey Wood outside the boundary) received letters through the door a while back explaining the change of boundaries. If anyone needs to go in there regularly they would have had to have passed up 10's or even 100's of messages about it.

    The bit in bold is pretty ignorant. Its about gradual changes. In the short term it provides a disincentive to the use of the worst polluting cars in areas of high pollution so that they reduce journeys through that area, take alternative routes or they pay a cost for that pollution (money which is then spent on green schemes). In the medium term you get a shift away from the worse polluting vehicles as people choose better alternatives when you upgrade.

    Dont really see what Khan or Silvertown have to do with this tbh.
    Please don't accuse me of being ignorant because I don't have the same opinion as you - bit of an arrogant stance. The idea that this has all been clearly planned and thought through is disingenous. People were still buying diesels in 2015 so it obviously wasn't flagged what the regulations were going to be. 

    Khan presents himself as focused on green issues yet is happy to support the polluting Silvertown scheme - that's why I highlighted it. I'd rather have a mayor in charge who was a bit more consistent in his thinking.

    If such a large number of people are still unaware it hardly suggests the publicity has been a resounding success.
  • Should have been announced ten years ago, giving people enough time to make their next purchase compliant.

    The idea was first mooted a long time ago and this has been in the planning for over 4 years - plenty of time to plan ahead. I know lots of people who have.
  • TBH I didn’t know there was already a ULEZ within the congestion charge zone until mentioned on another thread a while back. 
  • Except thats much worse for the people who have those vehicles. Everyone has to replace their vehicles all at once, when some simply wont be able to do that. This way you have 2 choices, either upgrade to a compliant vehicle or pay for pollution you produce. I explain it further up the thread but there is plenty of sound economic theory and research behind this sort of scheme that shows it not only has an environmental impact but is also the most economically efficient way to reach the outcome. They are a good idea. 

    Also the target for this is localised air quality so a blanket ban would be incredibly wasteful if it forced people into changing vehicles when they never travelled to these localised areas. This targets the emissions in the problem areas, improves the air quality, offers a choice and is economically efficient. Bar being an inconvenience to those who have apparently been driving the south circular every day but not noticed any of signs (or letters or advertising campaigns) that tell them its happening and so got a shock, I can't see a downside of it.
    People are paying a blanket £12.50 fee regardless of how many miles they drive within the zone so it's not a mesure of the amount of pollution produced. If you live half a mile within the zone you get hammered even if you barely do any mileage within the zone and produce little pollution.


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  • People are paying a blanket £12.50 fee regardless of how many miles they drive within the zone so it's not a mesure of the amount of pollution produced. If you live half a mile within the zone you get hammered even if you barely do any mileage within the zone and produce little pollution.



    Or if you get to the Yorkshire Grey and turn towards Eltham rather than Lee...
  • edited October 2021
    Should have been announced ten years ago, giving people enough time to make their next purchase compliant.

    I changed my diesel car for a petrol one over 2 years ago, which was something like a year after it was announced for definite IIRC. (I only bought a diesel in the first place because some twat recommended it as the green option). 
  • The idea was first mooted a long time ago and this has been in the planning for over 4 years - plenty of time to plan ahead. I know lots of people who have.
    It's not easy for everyone to replace diesel vehicles but those running the scheme are not concerned about those who might struggle. It's okay if you have the money.
  • edited October 2021
    It's not easy for everyone to replace diesel vehicles but those running the scheme are not concerned about those who might struggle. It's okay if you have the money.
    ULEZ will have a negative financial impact on the lot of people in London.

    On the other hand apparently people are dying or suffering significant health problems as a result of poor air quality. I don't know what else could be done to manage air pollution or should we just put up with it as one of the costs of living in a densly populated urban area? 

    What does seem odd to me is that the area immediately along the south circular has some of the worst pollution, but you can still drive any old piece of crap along it.
  • It’s just going to effect those less well off the most, those that can’t afford just to buy a new car.

    I’m fairly comfortable but I can’t afford to shell out for a like for like replacement of the car we have, outright, finance or leasing.

    Some won’t even notice it or just buy a few car, for others it’s a pain and for those who find it hard financially, it hits the most. Fantastic.






  • And cantersaddick said:
    The idea was first mooted a long time ago and this has been in the planning for over 4 years - plenty of time to plan ahead. I know lots of people who have.
    Plenty of time to plan ahead if you have the budget yes.
  • The idea was first mooted a long time ago and this has been in the planning for over 4 years - plenty of time to plan ahead. I know lots of people who have.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/diesel-drivers-may-face-higher-costs-pollution-battle

    Indeed the idea was first suggested when Boris was mayor
  • Money is raised to spend on green initiatives.
    I think the concept is sound and the ambition for improved air quality is worthy.

    What feels tough about this is the timing post Covid when household budgets are stretched for many. There is an argument it could have been delayed or perhaps the cost more gradually introduced. 

    However, that is a similar argument for not implementing any tax changes in the economy more generally, not cutting the temporary universal credit uplift, free school meals in holiday time etc. Not easy financial choices and never the right time. 

    So on balance if not now then when. 

    But where I do take issue is believing the sums raised will be diverted to worthy green initiatives and not swallowed into the overall budgets in London or TFL. I have little faith too that if invested in green things they will be well planned or thought through - look at the ridiculous bus lanes/cycle lanes on the lower road near the Valley to see how bad traffic is or the cycle Lane bollards that were installed and then removed (as they needed to be) on Shooters Hill Road. 

    This will be a revenue stream albeit with the right reasons at its heart. 
  • It’s just going to effect those less well off the most, those that can’t afford just to buy a new car.

    I’m fairly comfortable but I can’t afford to shell out for a like for like replacement of the car we have, outright, finance or leasing.

    Some won’t even notice it or just buy a few car, for others it’s a pain and for those who find it hard financially, it hits the most. Fantastic.






    The worst off are also hit hardest by the impacts of poor air quality. The most deprived decile have a significantly higher incidence of illnesses linked to it and a higher death rate too as well as a significantly lower life expectancy overall. Within the borough of Greenwich there is something like a 15 year difference in life expectancy between those well off and those not. There is no perfect way to do it but you have to do something.
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  • edited October 2021
    I am hoping it will get extended to inside the M25 at a suitable time.
    Certainly within the next decade.
  • The worst off are also hit hardest by the impacts of poor air quality. The most deprived decile have a significantly higher incidence of illnesses linked to it and a higher death rate too as well as a significantly lower life expectancy overall. Within the borough of Greenwich there is something like a 15 year difference in life expectancy between those well off and those not. There is no perfect way to do it but you have to do something.
    The ULEZ scheme will hit a lot of the less well off. Nobody wants poor air quality but the planning has been far from perfect.

    I don't think you understand the struggle some people have. 

    Lower life expectancy has many more factors than air quality as you well know.

    In the long term a lot of poorer people will be driven off the road...

  • Most London journeys can better be done by public transport, walking or cycling.
  • "Decile".  I'm out.
  • iainment said:
    Most London journeys can better be done by public transport, walking or cycling.
    But not all obviously.
  • iainment said:
    Most London journeys can better be done by public transport, walking or cycling.
    Unless you are carrying a weekly food shop ! But otherwise yes I agree public transport can be better.
  • Unless you are carrying a weekly food shop ! But otherwise yes I agree public transport can be better.
    Or you're a carer making multiple short journeys, elderly, disabled, delivery driver etc etc
  • The income spent on green initiatives my arse. Tfl are broke and have been for many years. They have nearly 600 staff on the gravy train earning 6 figure salaries. If the air was so deadly they wouldnt allow the well off to pay the 12.50 per day to drive the deadly vehicles. Force them into paying £100 per day and see them switch then.

    'Your vehicle is too deadly to drive within the south/north circular unless you can afford to pay the £12.50 then it's all good'

    Then let's not forget tfl licensed another 470 vehicles in one week to drive on their roads, 300+ the week before and I'd guess another 3 to 400 this week all because they make £300 per vehicle.
  • Should have been announced ten years ago, giving people enough time to make their next purchase compliant.

    It was.
  • Crusty54 said:
    It was.
    By who exactly and with what level of detail?
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