I see nothing wrong with that. Sandgaard's doing what he said he would which is looking at the options & seeing who is available......which I applaud.
Many rightly turned on Miere when she announced similar & then appointed their own man 24 hours later.
There is no rush. Better to get the right manager rather just appoint from within just because we've had a few wins. What would happen if Jacko was appointed tomorrow before the game & then we lost the next 3 & dropped back into the bottom 4.
I see nothing wrong with that. Sandgaard's doing what he said he would which is looking at the options & seeing who is available......which I applaud.
Many rightly turned on Miere when she announced similar & then appointed their own man 24 hours later.
There is no rush. Better to get the right manager rather just appoint from within just because we've had a few wins. What would happen if Jacko was appointed tomorrow before the game & then we lost the next 3 & dropped back into the bottom 4.
I see nothing wrong with that. Sandgaard's doing what he said he would which is looking at the options & seeing who is available......which I applaud.
Many rightly turned on Miere when she announced similar & then appointed their own man 24 hours later.
There is no rush. Better to get the right manager rather just appoint from within just because we've had a few wins. What would happen if Jacko was appointed tomorrow before the game & then we lost the next 3 & dropped back into the bottom 4.
Yep I agree aswell. No rush whatsoever. If JJ is in the hot seat for good by January, that means we’ve won lots of games and looking upwards .
8 more league games until the end of the year. How many more points is Jacko going to need before Sandgaard announces him as permanent manager?
10 in the bank already. Would have said another 10 would be enough but after reading the back of the SLP today, I fear he’s going to need a few more on top of that
“If there is a better candidate for the club in the near and medium term
out there, we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before.
Johnnie is a great assistant manager, we already know that, and Jason
Euell is a great coach."
As much as JJ loves the club, I don't think this will happen. He wants the step up and if he doesn't get the chance here, they'll be other clubs willing to take a punt on him
“If there is a better candidate for the club in the near and medium term
out there, we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before.
Johnnie is a great assistant manager, we already know that, and Jason
Euell is a great coach."
As much as JJ loves the club, I don't think this will happen. He wants the step up and if he doesn't get the chance here, they'll be other clubs willing to take a punt on him
Depends if they've had the chat already. Sandgaard has already said he wants Jackson to learn more and be manager one day... Personally I think he's had more experience than most managers given how many Managers he's worked with.
Slightly disingenuous title possibly - there's quite a lot of difference between talking to/sounding out potential candidates and doing a formal job interview.
It seems much more like the former than the latter to me.
Have a watch of the Elliot Lee interview and hear how he talks about Jacko. We’re in very real danger of shooting ourselves in the foot here if we bin Jacko and appoint what TS and Roddy etc decide is a ‘name’ manager. Just give JJ the job and be done with it so these players can really kick on and get us back to where we belong.
Have a watch of the Elliot Lee interview and hear how he talks about Jacko. We’re in very real danger of shooting ourselves in the foot here if we bin Jacko and appoint what TS and Roddy etc decide is a ‘name’ manager. Just give JJ the job and be done with it so these players can really kick on and get us back to where we belong.
They don't want a 'Name' manager, they want the best possible manager they can afford.
Right now I think that's Jackson, but I also understand that they've had some very good managers in talks. Wilder as an example.
Slightly disingenuous title possibly - there's quite a lot of difference between talking to/sounding out potential candidates and doing a formal job interview.
It seems much more like the former than the latter to me.
"What is very obvious in a situation like this is we are interviewing potential other candidates that could be available at this level"
Sounds to me like an interview ?
I believe in the actual paper Sandgaard mentions that he has interviewed Michael Beale though I may have misread the article as I rushed through it as needed to run for a train.
“If there is a better candidate for the club in the near and medium term
out there, we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before.
Johnnie is a great assistant manager and knows how to pack a laundry bag
Have a watch of the Elliot Lee interview and hear how he talks about Jacko. We’re in very real danger of shooting ourselves in the foot here if we bin Jacko and appoint what TS and Roddy etc decide is a ‘name’ manager. Just give JJ the job and be done with it so these players can really kick on and get us back to where we belong.
Are in some way inferring that Gallen and Roddy would wish to look elsewhere and not appoint Jacko? If so, what evidence do you have to support that notion?
I don’t think there’s any rush to appoint JJ. He’s got the inside track at the moment, and if they keep winning they’ll be no reason to change.
It does give TS a chance to talk to other candidates and get a real feel for what is available. It’s a useful education process for him given his limited exposure to the football world.
Whilst I agree you don't make hasty decisions, hanging it out as long as it seems he intends to will potentially have a negative effect.
Name me the last experienced manager we had, that had any real decent level of success for us?
I'm not going to list them all, especially through the RD years but IMHO the successful one's over the last 40 years;
Bowyer - zero management experience, but an affinity/history with the club Powell - zero management experience, but an affinity/history with the club Curbishley - zero management experience, but an affinity/history with the club Lawrence - zero management experience (Caretaker at Plymouth for a few games I think)
Everyone else in-between has either been dire or average/mediocre at best.
The last three successes have been people who know the club, there's a reason for that and even Lenny was a master at what he did with the position the club was in at the time, far better managers on paper, but don't think there was a better manager for Charlton at the time.
Just appoint Jackson, I don't care who else is available, he's the man for this job, right here, right now. Just like Powell when he came in, we need to get back to being Charlton, Jackson and only Jackson is best placed to do that. No disrespect to Powell as I absolutely love him to bits, but I think Jackson has the potential in club management to go much much further.
Have a watch of the Elliot Lee interview and hear how he talks about Jacko. We’re in very real danger of shooting ourselves in the foot here if we bin Jacko and appoint what TS and Roddy etc decide is a ‘name’ manager. Just give JJ the job and be done with it so these players can really kick on and get us back to where we belong.
Are in some way inferring that Gallen and Roddy would wish to look elsewhere and not appoint Jacko? If so, what evidence do you have to support that notion?
I’m not inferring anything. We are looking elsewhere:
“What is very obvious in a situation like this is we are interviewing potential other candidates that could be available at this level.”
Surely TS has seen the dressing room footage after Burton. Best job interview without being formally interviewed ever. Please let's not go down the too many chiefs route again
I don’t have an issue with looking elsewhere and taking our time but the issue I do have is if we do appoint from outside the Club I can’t see Jacko being willing to step back again into an assistant role and I wouldn’t blame him if he decided not to do so. The other issue is that if we do appoint someone else they will again be asked to work with Jacko and Euell. That again would be a mistake as they want their own, trusted staff to work with. And if Jacko and Euell are there for progression then surely you have to appoint them as Manager at some point so why not now? TS could end up shooting himself in the foot here and any new Manager would be under pressure from the get go as he isn’t Jacko.
Slightly disingenuous title possibly - there's quite a lot of difference between talking to/sounding out potential candidates and doing a formal job interview.
It seems much more like the former than the latter to me.
"What is very obvious in a situation like this is we are interviewing potential other candidates that could be available at this level"
Sounds to me like an interview ?
I believe in the actual paper Sandgaard mentions that he has interviewed Michael Beale though I may have misread the article as I rushed through it as needed to run for a train.
Fair, but I am on the assumption that we are talking an interview in terms of what plans do they have, how would they fit instead of interviews that are talking about terms of contract etc.
Which is sensible enough. Otherwise it does feel like Sandgaard's in a no win position. He got some criticism for (apparently) not vetting Adkins well enough and taking him purely on recommendation. Now he's decided to weigh up all his options he's being criticised for that as well.
I still don't see anything that suggests that Jackson is not the favoured candidate right now - there are multiple comments about how he's doing well and getting results. I can definitely see why people are getting concerned by some of the other stuff but I personally think it's still Jackson's job to lose.
I posted this on the Give Jacko the job thread. Apologies for repeating on here but I really don't understand why we are looking at other managers when JJ has totally turned around the performances & feel good factor in such a short time, yes every appointment is a gamble you only have to look at the short reign of Nigel Adkins, that was a great choice wasn't it Thomas.
The most worrying part of that statement for me is “If there is a better candidate for the club in the near and medium term out there, we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before. Johnnie is a great assistant manager, we already know that, and Jason Euell is a great coach".
How can there be a better candidate for the club ? JJ is Charlton through & through. In a few games he has revitalised the team/squad, the club & the fanbase. Sandgaards/Roddys previous choice of manager demoralised the players & the fanbase. Sandgaard has no experience at this level of football but has said the appointment is going to be a business appointment not a fans popularity contest. Experienced players are backing JJ for the job. Experienced managers in the game are backing JJ for the job & if JJ doesn't get it I think Sandgaard will be scoring the biggest own goal possible. How can he come out with shit like "we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before. Johnnie is a great assistant manager" No you fucking twat Johnnie is possibly a great manager be it for Charlton or somebody else, does anybody honestly think despite his love for the club that JJ will go back to being an assistant if he gets passed over ?
They are 110% behind Jacko. He's bringing out the best in them and they're loving it. They will keep their hands fully on the pump to make sure JJ gets the job I've no doubt.
And there you have a clever bit of kidology from TS. All the while there's uncertainty, the players will raise their game until he gets the job.
I hope with all my heart that we raise the roof tomorrow, our voices loud & proud to leave Thomas in no doubt how much we love this famous football club, and to show those with us "on loan" courtesy of his generosity, what they too can be a part of ....
...members of a very special, unique family.
As many have stated before, our opinions are seemingly very important to our owner.
He listens and learns how we tick - what we ask of our club, what makes a good matchday experience and what doesn't work.
He probably didn't need to hear the "Adkins out!" chants that rang out but he was left in no doubt as to the views of the faithful, fearful of just how low their club might sink.
So, 2 things I'd encourage the Covered End to initiate during tomorrow's game.
The first, to thank our Great Dane for helping us to swell the attendance for this special contest against the league leaders & to ensure that the best possible support for our lads is in place. He knows we shall play our part.
And secondly, to leave him in no doubt who is the man, indeed the legend, to lead us onwards & upwards, not just for this season, but for the foreseeable future.
I posted this on the Give Jacko the job thread. Apologies for repeating on here but I really don't understand why we are looking at other managers when JJ has totally turned around the performances & feel good factor in such a short time, yes every appointment is a gamble you only have to look at the short reign of Nigel Adkins, that was a great choice wasn't it Thomas.
The most worrying part of that statement for me is “If there is a better candidate for the club in the near and medium term out there, we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before. Johnnie is a great assistant manager, we already know that, and Jason Euell is a great coach".
How can there be a better candidate for the club ? JJ is Charlton through & through. In a few games he has revitalised the team/squad, the club & the fanbase. Sandgaards/Roddys previous choice of manager demoralised the players & the fanbase. Sandgaard has no experience at this level of football but has said the appointment is going to be a business appointment not a fans popularity contest. Experienced players are backing JJ for the job. Experienced managers in the game are backing JJ for the job & if JJ doesn't get it I think Sandgaard will be scoring the biggest own goal possible. How can he come out with shit like "we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before. Johnnie is a great assistant manager" No you fucking twat Johnnie is possibly a great manager be it for Charlton or somebody else, does anybody honestly think despite his love for the club that JJ will go back to being an assistant if he gets passed over ?
Because he's a business man and is thinking of this like a 'normal' business. He's probably employed a head hunter......
CEO leaves/is sacked, The CFO takes charge for a period, a new CEO is appointed and the Interim CEO goes back to his old CFO role.
I've no doubt TS has the clubs best interest at heart but he's literally got the answer under his nose but can't see it to make the decisive decision.
It's clear to most people in football that Jackson has been destined to be a Manager for probably 10 years. He always makes the right decision, how he conducted himself through the RD years, on the pitch, interviews, how he is respected by his peers. He's young (in manager circles), hungry and has all the attributes to become a very good Manager. Even Robinson worked that out early on, and dare I say Miere.
I would have expected the owner to have quickly realised that his first mistake was not giving it to Jackson when Bowyer left, making this the easiest decision he'll ever have to make. Instead he's pontificating. Just give Jackson the job, back him - which that doesn't mean millions to spend, but let him shape the footballing side of the club and we'll be rewarded.
Either way, lets make sure TS hears the support Jackson has, I've no doubt the players will give blood and guts tomorrow for him, win or lose they'll put in a major shift, and so should we.
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Many rightly turned on Miere when she announced similar & then appointed their own man 24 hours later.
There is no rush. Better to get the right manager rather just appoint from within just because we've had a few wins. What would happen if Jacko was appointed tomorrow before the game & then we lost the next 3 & dropped back into the bottom 4.
10 in the bank already. Would have said another 10 would be enough but after reading the back of the SLP today, I fear he’s going to need a few more on top of that
It seems much more like the former than the latter to me.
Just give JJ the job and be done with it so these players can really kick on and get us back to where we belong.
Right now I think that's Jackson, but I also understand that they've had some very good managers in talks. Wilder as an example.
Sounds to me like an interview ?
I believe in the actual paper Sandgaard mentions that he has interviewed Michael Beale though I may have misread the article as I rushed through it as needed to run for a train.
If so, what evidence do you have to support that notion?
Name me the last experienced manager we had, that had any real decent level of success for us?
I'm not going to list them all, especially through the RD years but IMHO the successful one's over the last 40 years;
Bowyer - zero management experience, but an affinity/history with the club
Powell - zero management experience, but an affinity/history with the club
Curbishley - zero management experience, but an affinity/history with the club
Lawrence - zero management experience (Caretaker at Plymouth for a few games I think)
Everyone else in-between has either been dire or average/mediocre at best.
The last three successes have been people who know the club, there's a reason for that and even Lenny was a master at what he did with the position the club was in at the time, far better managers on paper, but don't think there was a better manager for Charlton at the time.
Just appoint Jackson, I don't care who else is available, he's the man for this job, right here, right now. Just like Powell when he came in, we need to get back to being Charlton, Jackson and only Jackson is best placed to do that. No disrespect to Powell as I absolutely love him to bits, but I think Jackson has the potential in club management to go much much further.
And I believe that 90% of the Addicks' fanbase would echo his words.
Include me in that percentage.
What was the best outcome he could have hoped for?
Thomas, please leave the football talking to those that know what they are talking about.
Which is sensible enough. Otherwise it does feel like Sandgaard's in a no win position. He got some criticism for (apparently) not vetting Adkins well enough and taking him purely on recommendation. Now he's decided to weigh up all his options he's being criticised for that as well.
I still don't see anything that suggests that Jackson is not the favoured candidate right now - there are multiple comments about how he's doing well and getting results. I can definitely see why people are getting concerned by some of the other stuff but I personally think it's still Jackson's job to lose.
The most worrying part of that statement for me is “If there is a better candidate for the club in the near and medium term out there, we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before. Johnnie is a great assistant manager, we already know that, and Jason Euell is a great coach".
How can there be a better candidate for the club ? JJ is Charlton through & through. In a few games he has revitalised the team/squad, the club & the fanbase. Sandgaards/Roddys previous choice of manager demoralised the players & the fanbase. Sandgaard has no experience at this level of football but has said the appointment is going to be a business appointment not a fans popularity contest. Experienced players are backing JJ for the job. Experienced managers in the game are backing JJ for the job & if JJ doesn't get it I think Sandgaard will be scoring the biggest own goal possible. How can he come out with shit like "we’ll simply just go back to the set-up like it was before. Johnnie is a great assistant manager" No you fucking twat Johnnie is possibly a great manager be it for Charlton or somebody else, does anybody honestly think despite his love for the club that JJ will go back to being an assistant if he gets passed over ?
They are 110% behind Jacko. He's bringing out the best in them and they're loving it.
They will keep their hands fully on the pump to make sure JJ gets the job I've no doubt.
And there you have a clever bit of kidology from TS.
All the while there's uncertainty, the players will raise their game until he gets the job.
Leave him hanging until June I say! ;-)
...members of a very special, unique family.
As many have stated before, our opinions are seemingly very important to our owner.
He listens and learns how we tick - what we ask of our club, what makes a good matchday experience and what doesn't work.
He probably didn't need to hear the "Adkins out!" chants that rang out but he was left in no doubt as to the views of the faithful, fearful of just how low their club might sink.
So, 2 things I'd encourage the Covered End to initiate during tomorrow's game.
The first, to thank our Great Dane for helping us to swell the attendance for this special contest against the league leaders & to ensure that the best possible support for our lads is in place. He knows we shall play our part.
And secondly, to leave him in no doubt who is the man, indeed the legend, to lead us onwards & upwards, not just for this season, but for the foreseeable future.
No further words are needed IMO.
" Johnnie Jackson's Red and White Army !"
Because he's a business man and is thinking of this like a 'normal' business. He's probably employed a head hunter......
CEO leaves/is sacked, The CFO takes charge for a period, a new CEO is appointed and the Interim CEO goes back to his old CFO role.
I've no doubt TS has the clubs best interest at heart but he's literally got the answer under his nose but can't see it to make the decisive decision.
It's clear to most people in football that Jackson has been destined to be a Manager for probably 10 years. He always makes the right decision, how he conducted himself through the RD years, on the pitch, interviews, how he is respected by his peers. He's young (in manager circles), hungry and has all the attributes to become a very good Manager. Even Robinson worked that out early on, and dare I say Miere.
I would have expected the owner to have quickly realised that his first mistake was not giving it to Jackson when Bowyer left, making this the easiest decision he'll ever have to make. Instead he's pontificating. Just give Jackson the job, back him - which that doesn't mean millions to spend, but let him shape the footballing side of the club and we'll be rewarded.
Either way, lets make sure TS hears the support Jackson has, I've no doubt the players will give blood and guts tomorrow for him, win or lose they'll put in a major shift, and so should we.