Former Academy keeper James Beadle - training with England 1st team (p10)

billysboots

Think about it logically it can only be for the development. 

He wouldn’t have broken into the 1st team for 2 or 3 years here. Which means he would have spent a lot of time training and playing u23’s . If he doesn’t believe in the coach then why waste a couple of crucial years when he could get better coaching elsewhere ? 

If he didn’t progress we would let him go without a second thought , so surely he has to do the best for his career ? 

Painful as it seems we shouldn’t be criticising a 17 year old kid. 

killerandflash

Airman Brown said:

Addick Addict said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

Oh come on - wake up and smell the coffee!!! This is a lad who has always been an extremely gifted keeper. He's been in the England set up for three or four years. He could have left us years ago for a Prem club but probably chose not to because he was a fan. Had we made it back to the Premier League he certainly wouldn't have been leaving us for Brighton!

You might not think so but this is a specialist position that needs specialist knowledge and coaching but it is  and there will have been a bond between them. It's someone he trusted to give him the best advice. My son had exactly the same relationship with a coach for an equally specialist position in another sport.

I also go back to the Sorba Thomas situation and all I've written above. What is difference between what we tried to do to Boreham Wood and what Brighton have done? I'll tell what it is - we've got more, under the current system, than we were probably entitled to. Boreham Wood would have got less than his market value. Our loss is that we chose not to pay what they asked for as we might be pushing for a Play Off spot had we done so.

You question his loyalty. I suspect that his family feel that Charlton's loyalty walked out the door when we dropped his year old brother. An 18 year old who was also with us for a decade but who was shown the door just months earlier. Also a fan too and a ball boy on match days at the club he loved. But there is no sentiment in football for those discarded as a result of a decision that might be the one that ends the lad's dream. I haven't seen you express any sympathy for him and I suspect that you feel none whatsoever because you see that as being how football works. Well it works the other way too. Because players are as Gallen puts it "projects". Or, as I put it, "commodities" to be invested in and then sold - some for a profit, some for a loss and some for nothing!

And just for a record I have been a Valley Gold member from the start bar a couple of years as a protest against the regime - membership I reinstated as soon as Duchatelet departed. I go back as far as Billy Bonds, Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott etc etc. We've always done it. But we've also reaped the benefit of other people's work such as our greatest ever striker - because we weren't responsible for "nurturing" his talent as he joined us when he was over 21 or 22. 

I heard that his brother being released had been a big factor. You are of course right that Charlton are no innocents in these things. 

At the time I questioned this decision, which seemed brain dead if you have a hot property yet to sign a pro contract.

Offer both a contract at the same time, the cost of his brother’s wages are peanuts when compared to the potential value of James.

seth plum

If it is true that when leaving James was concerned that Charlton Athletic got around half a million pounds (I have no idea about the amount), then far from criticising him I believe we should praise him.

Stu_of_Kunming

ForeverAddickted said:

DOUCHER said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

well i guess if he had fucked us off we wouldn't have received a £500k - £1m fee and a massive sell on clause - we would have received a bit of meagre compensation and no sell on - gallen / the club were very happy with the deal - you're saying it as though charlton were being charitable letting him play for our academy

Wouldnt that good will though be between Gallen / Charlton / Brighton though?

Its not like Beadle himself would have had a say on figures between the clubs

Of course he would have had a say “do right by charlton, or I don’t sign” could easily have been what was said.

Henry Irving

I would have thought that the club's preference would have been for JB to sign the contract.

When it became clear he wasn't going to (refusing to play a game being a factor in that) the next best option was selling him for more than the minimum £400k compensation that Chelsea offered.

Thankfully Brighton were willing to offer a better (for CAFC) deal  it seems.

It's not clear how much the player and family were influencial in it happening that way but as fans it seems reasonable to assume that might have been happy to see the club get more than the minimum and have felt Brighton were a better fit anyway.

At the same time Gallen is happy to get £500k plus add ons instead of a £400k minimum fee (thanks Ged for that) from Chelsea.

And yes, we let his brother go. We let lots of 17 year olds go. And younger and older players, often dismissively described as "deadwood" by fans when they are human beings.

There is no loyalty in football and James had no obligation to show any to us, fan or not, because if he'd not been up to scratch we'd have let him go too.

Not traveling though does, without knowing the detail, appear unprofessional and letting his team mates down.

ElliotCAFC

Henry Irving said:

I would have thought that the club's preference would have been for JB to sign the contract.

When it became clear he wasn't going to (refusing to play a game being a factor in that) the next best option was selling him for more than the minimum £400k compensation that Chelsea offered.

Thankfully Brighton were willing to offer a better (for CAFC) deal  it seems.

It's not clear how much the player and family were influencial in it happening that way but as fans it seems reasonable to assume that might have been happy to see the club get more than the minimum and have felt Brighton were a better fit anyway.

At the same time Gallen is happy to get £500k plus add ons instead of a £400k minimum fee (thanks Ged for that) from Chelsea.

And yes, we let his brother go. We let lots of 17 year olds go. And younger and older players, often dismissively described as "deadwood" by fans when they are human beings.

There is no loyalty in football and James had no obligation to show any to us, fan or not, because if he'd not been up to scratch we'd have let him go too.

Not traveling though does, without knowing the detail, appear unprofessional and letting his team mates down.

That’s the important bit, for me. I’m not bothered he wanted to leave and if the club mistreated him then fair enough, more power to him - but you don’t refuse to travel and let your mates down when they need you.

I’m sure he’ll regret that decision. 

Mendonca In Asdas

ElliotCAFC said:

Henry Irving said:

I would have thought that the club's preference would have been for JB to sign the contract.

When it became clear he wasn't going to (refusing to play a game being a factor in that) the next best option was selling him for more than the minimum £400k compensation that Chelsea offered.

Thankfully Brighton were willing to offer a better (for CAFC) deal  it seems.

It's not clear how much the player and family were influencial in it happening that way but as fans it seems reasonable to assume that might have been happy to see the club get more than the minimum and have felt Brighton were a better fit anyway.

At the same time Gallen is happy to get £500k plus add ons instead of a £400k minimum fee (thanks Ged for that) from Chelsea.

And yes, we let his brother go. We let lots of 17 year olds go. And younger and older players, often dismissively described as "deadwood" by fans when they are human beings.

There is no loyalty in football and James had no obligation to show any to us, fan or not, because if he'd not been up to scratch we'd have let him go too.

Not traveling though does, without knowing the detail, appear unprofessional and letting his team mates down.

That’s the important bit, for me. I’m not bothered he wanted to leave and if the club mistreated him then fair enough, more power to him - but you don’t refuse to travel and let your mates down when they need you.

I’m sure he’ll regret that decision. 

I don’t know the ins and the outs of this one, but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea?

Todds_right_hook

killerandflash said:

Airman Brown said:

Addick Addict said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

Oh come on - wake up and smell the coffee!!! This is a lad who has always been an extremely gifted keeper. He's been in the England set up for three or four years. He could have left us years ago for a Prem club but probably chose not to because he was a fan. Had we made it back to the Premier League he certainly wouldn't have been leaving us for Brighton!

You might not think so but this is a specialist position that needs specialist knowledge and coaching but it is  and there will have been a bond between them. It's someone he trusted to give him the best advice. My son had exactly the same relationship with a coach for an equally specialist position in another sport.

I also go back to the Sorba Thomas situation and all I've written above. What is difference between what we tried to do to Boreham Wood and what Brighton have done? I'll tell what it is - we've got more, under the current system, than we were probably entitled to. Boreham Wood would have got less than his market value. Our loss is that we chose not to pay what they asked for as we might be pushing for a Play Off spot had we done so.

You question his loyalty. I suspect that his family feel that Charlton's loyalty walked out the door when we dropped his year old brother. An 18 year old who was also with us for a decade but who was shown the door just months earlier. Also a fan too and a ball boy on match days at the club he loved. But there is no sentiment in football for those discarded as a result of a decision that might be the one that ends the lad's dream. I haven't seen you express any sympathy for him and I suspect that you feel none whatsoever because you see that as being how football works. Well it works the other way too. Because players are as Gallen puts it "projects". Or, as I put it, "commodities" to be invested in and then sold - some for a profit, some for a loss and some for nothing!

And just for a record I have been a Valley Gold member from the start bar a couple of years as a protest against the regime - membership I reinstated as soon as Duchatelet departed. I go back as far as Billy Bonds, Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott etc etc. We've always done it. But we've also reaped the benefit of other people's work such as our greatest ever striker - because we weren't responsible for "nurturing" his talent as he joined us when he was over 21 or 22. 

I heard that his brother being released had been a big factor. You are of course right that Charlton are no innocents in these things. 

At the time I questioned this decision, which seemed brain dead if you have a hot property yet to sign a pro contract.

Offer both a contract at the same time, the cost of his brother’s wages are peanuts when compared to the potential value of James.

Didn't Fulham do that with the kid who they sold to spurs? Offer his twin a contract and cash on the star with a big transfer fee.

cafcfan1990

Todds_right_hook said:

killerandflash said:

Airman Brown said:

Addick Addict said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

Oh come on - wake up and smell the coffee!!! This is a lad who has always been an extremely gifted keeper. He's been in the England set up for three or four years. He could have left us years ago for a Prem club but probably chose not to because he was a fan. Had we made it back to the Premier League he certainly wouldn't have been leaving us for Brighton!

You might not think so but this is a specialist position that needs specialist knowledge and coaching but it is  and there will have been a bond between them. It's someone he trusted to give him the best advice. My son had exactly the same relationship with a coach for an equally specialist position in another sport.

I also go back to the Sorba Thomas situation and all I've written above. What is difference between what we tried to do to Boreham Wood and what Brighton have done? I'll tell what it is - we've got more, under the current system, than we were probably entitled to. Boreham Wood would have got less than his market value. Our loss is that we chose not to pay what they asked for as we might be pushing for a Play Off spot had we done so.

You question his loyalty. I suspect that his family feel that Charlton's loyalty walked out the door when we dropped his year old brother. An 18 year old who was also with us for a decade but who was shown the door just months earlier. Also a fan too and a ball boy on match days at the club he loved. But there is no sentiment in football for those discarded as a result of a decision that might be the one that ends the lad's dream. I haven't seen you express any sympathy for him and I suspect that you feel none whatsoever because you see that as being how football works. Well it works the other way too. Because players are as Gallen puts it "projects". Or, as I put it, "commodities" to be invested in and then sold - some for a profit, some for a loss and some for nothing!

And just for a record I have been a Valley Gold member from the start bar a couple of years as a protest against the regime - membership I reinstated as soon as Duchatelet departed. I go back as far as Billy Bonds, Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott etc etc. We've always done it. But we've also reaped the benefit of other people's work such as our greatest ever striker - because we weren't responsible for "nurturing" his talent as he joined us when he was over 21 or 22. 

I heard that his brother being released had been a big factor. You are of course right that Charlton are no innocents in these things. 

At the time I questioned this decision, which seemed brain dead if you have a hot property yet to sign a pro contract.

Offer both a contract at the same time, the cost of his brother’s wages are peanuts when compared to the potential value of James.

Didn't Fulham do that with the kid who they sold to spurs? Offer his twin a contract and cash on the star with a big transfer fee.

Believe so. Both Sessgnon brothers signed long term Fulham deals on the same day in 2017. In fairness though, Steven Sessegnon has played a fair bit at Champ level. Actually, he’s someone I’d quite like at RWB. 

DOUCHER

ForeverAddickted said:

DOUCHER said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

well i guess if he had fucked us off we wouldn't have received a £500k - £1m fee and a massive sell on clause - we would have received a bit of meagre compensation and no sell on - gallen / the club were very happy with the deal - you're saying it as though charlton were being charitable letting him play for our academy

Wouldnt that good will though be between Gallen / Charlton / Brighton though?

Its not like Beadle himself would have had a say on figures between the clubs

not really -  the club negotiated a deal that suited all parties (including James development) but lets not kid ourselves that he couldn't have left for nothing at the end of the season - Charlton would have got nothing but compensation and James would have had Brighton, Chelsea and virtually every other club stumbling over themselves to throw money at his wages / signing on fee   

DOUCHER

Airman Brown said:

Addick Addict said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

Oh come on - wake up and smell the coffee!!! This is a lad who has always been an extremely gifted keeper. He's been in the England set up for three or four years. He could have left us years ago for a Prem club but probably chose not to because he was a fan. Had we made it back to the Premier League he certainly wouldn't have been leaving us for Brighton!

You might not think so but this is a specialist position that needs specialist knowledge and coaching but it is  and there will have been a bond between them. It's someone he trusted to give him the best advice. My son had exactly the same relationship with a coach for an equally specialist position in another sport.

I also go back to the Sorba Thomas situation and all I've written above. What is difference between what we tried to do to Boreham Wood and what Brighton have done? I'll tell what it is - we've got more, under the current system, than we were probably entitled to. Boreham Wood would have got less than his market value. Our loss is that we chose not to pay what they asked for as we might be pushing for a Play Off spot had we done so.

You question his loyalty. I suspect that his family feel that Charlton's loyalty walked out the door when we dropped his year old brother. An 18 year old who was also with us for a decade but who was shown the door just months earlier. Also a fan too and a ball boy on match days at the club he loved. But there is no sentiment in football for those discarded as a result of a decision that might be the one that ends the lad's dream. I haven't seen you express any sympathy for him and I suspect that you feel none whatsoever because you see that as being how football works. Well it works the other way too. Because players are as Gallen puts it "projects". Or, as I put it, "commodities" to be invested in and then sold - some for a profit, some for a loss and some for nothing!

And just for a record I have been a Valley Gold member from the start bar a couple of years as a protest against the regime - membership I reinstated as soon as Duchatelet departed. I go back as far as Billy Bonds, Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott etc etc. We've always done it. But we've also reaped the benefit of other people's work such as our greatest ever striker - because we weren't responsible for "nurturing" his talent as he joined us when he was over 21 or 22. 

I heard that his brother being released had been a big factor. You are of course right that Charlton are no innocents in these things. 

no, definitely not a big factor although the way roddy handled it didn't impress that's for sure - very disingenuous and a rift developed but Harry was down the pecking order so it was no shock - he's a special character though and personally i think we will regret letting him go as he will go on to have a good career and be a real fans favourite somewhere - Harry was the star / talent and James wasn't even playing in goal when Charlton were pointed in the direction of Harry who will prove to be a late developer.  

DOUCHER

killerandflash said:

Airman Brown said:

Addick Addict said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

Oh come on - wake up and smell the coffee!!! This is a lad who has always been an extremely gifted keeper. He's been in the England set up for three or four years. He could have left us years ago for a Prem club but probably chose not to because he was a fan. Had we made it back to the Premier League he certainly wouldn't have been leaving us for Brighton!

You might not think so but this is a specialist position that needs specialist knowledge and coaching but it is  and there will have been a bond between them. It's someone he trusted to give him the best advice. My son had exactly the same relationship with a coach for an equally specialist position in another sport.

I also go back to the Sorba Thomas situation and all I've written above. What is difference between what we tried to do to Boreham Wood and what Brighton have done? I'll tell what it is - we've got more, under the current system, than we were probably entitled to. Boreham Wood would have got less than his market value. Our loss is that we chose not to pay what they asked for as we might be pushing for a Play Off spot had we done so.

You question his loyalty. I suspect that his family feel that Charlton's loyalty walked out the door when we dropped his year old brother. An 18 year old who was also with us for a decade but who was shown the door just months earlier. Also a fan too and a ball boy on match days at the club he loved. But there is no sentiment in football for those discarded as a result of a decision that might be the one that ends the lad's dream. I haven't seen you express any sympathy for him and I suspect that you feel none whatsoever because you see that as being how football works. Well it works the other way too. Because players are as Gallen puts it "projects". Or, as I put it, "commodities" to be invested in and then sold - some for a profit, some for a loss and some for nothing!

And just for a record I have been a Valley Gold member from the start bar a couple of years as a protest against the regime - membership I reinstated as soon as Duchatelet departed. I go back as far as Billy Bonds, Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott etc etc. We've always done it. But we've also reaped the benefit of other people's work such as our greatest ever striker - because we weren't responsible for "nurturing" his talent as he joined us when he was over 21 or 22. 

I heard that his brother being released had been a big factor. You are of course right that Charlton are no innocents in these things. 

At the time I questioned this decision, which seemed brain dead if you have a hot property yet to sign a pro contract.

Offer both a contract at the same time, the cost of his brother’s wages are peanuts when compared to the potential value of James.

But that isn't ideal for Harry - he has a better platform now at Colchester to play and develop so it really wasn't an issue - he would have loved to have stayed at Charlton of course and i'm sure if offered would have done but it was for the best he moved on - as said above, him and James were ball boys at the valley for years and lived and breathed Charlton and the family would have wanted nothing more for them to have made it with Charlton but lets not think that Charlton haven't got a good deal here considering the position the club is currently in - hopefully we will be in a better position in future years, coaching wise in particular.    

Athletico Charlton

DOUCHER said:

ForeverAddickted said:

DOUCHER said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

well i guess if he had fucked us off we wouldn't have received a £500k - £1m fee and a massive sell on clause - we would have received a bit of meagre compensation and no sell on - gallen / the club were very happy with the deal - you're saying it as though charlton were being charitable letting him play for our academy

Wouldnt that good will though be between Gallen / Charlton / Brighton though?

Its not like Beadle himself would have had a say on figures between the clubs

not really -  the club negotiated a deal that suited all parties (including James development) but lets not kid ourselves that he couldn't have left for nothing at the end of the season - Charlton would have got nothing but compensation and James would have had Brighton, Chelsea and virtually every other club stumbling over themselves to throw money at his wages / signing on fee   

It's a fine line between "nothing" (£400K EPPP payout) and "unprecedented" (£500-£1M).

Whatever, good luck to him I guess. Just disappointed as I always enjoy watching the kids come through and especially the Charlton fans like Elliot and Burstow).

DOUCHER

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

ForeverAddickted said:

DOUCHER said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

well i guess if he had fucked us off we wouldn't have received a £500k - £1m fee and a massive sell on clause - we would have received a bit of meagre compensation and no sell on - gallen / the club were very happy with the deal - you're saying it as though charlton were being charitable letting him play for our academy

Wouldnt that good will though be between Gallen / Charlton / Brighton though?

Its not like Beadle himself would have had a say on figures between the clubs

not really -  the club negotiated a deal that suited all parties (including James development) but lets not kid ourselves that he couldn't have left for nothing at the end of the season - Charlton would have got nothing but compensation and James would have had Brighton, Chelsea and virtually every other club stumbling over themselves to throw money at his wages / signing on fee   

It's a fine line between "nothing" (£400K EPPP payout) and "unprecedented" (£500-£1M).

Whatever, good luck to him I guess. Just disappointed as I always enjoy watching the kids come through and especially the Charlton fans like Elliot and Burstow).

is it £400k ? thought it was less - but you're not factoring in the size of the sell on fees either - i was told it is an unprecedented deal for a 17 year old goalkeeper - maybe you're an expert on that, i'm not   

sammy391

Clubs seem to go for ‘the brother of’ a lot of the time! 

I know a Charlton fan, who whilst playing for Millwalls academy saw his younger brother signed purely because Millwall thought he would be similar/grow similar/be as good as the one they had already! 

Ones playing non league, the younger brother not involved in football whatsoever! 

Seems ridiculous that we have lost a player and one of the reasons is Becasue the lesser talented brother was let go! Ludicrous!
he’s gone- can’t see him playing premier league football for a long while (if at all) - time to move on! 

DOUCHER

sammy391 said:

Clubs seem to go for ‘the brother of’ a lot of the time! 

I know a Charlton fan, who whilst playing for Millwalls academy saw his younger brother signed purely because Millwall thought he would be similar/grow similar/be as good as the one they had already! 

Ones playing non league, the younger brother not involved in football whatsoever! 

Seems ridiculous that we have lost a player and one of the reasons is Becasue the lesser talented brother was let go! Ludicrous!
he’s gone- can’t see him playing premier league football for a long while (if at all) - time to move on! 

it wasn't a factor so exactly, move on 

Addick Addict

sammy391 said:

Clubs seem to go for ‘the brother of’ a lot of the time! 

I know a Charlton fan, who whilst playing for Millwalls academy saw his younger brother signed purely because Millwall thought he would be similar/grow similar/be as good as the one they had already! 

Ones playing non league, the younger brother not involved in football whatsoever! 

Seems ridiculous that we have lost a player and one of the reasons is Becasue the lesser talented brother was let go! Ludicrous!
he’s gone- can’t see him playing premier league football for a long while (if at all) - time to move on! 

One of the Mitchell brothers (Billy) is playing in the Millwall first team but the other (Zach) is in our U18 side. Hopefully Zach will make the step up too our first team too

Athletico Charlton

Addick Addict said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

Oh come on - wake up and smell the coffee!!! This is a lad who has always been an extremely gifted keeper. He's been in the England set up for three or four years. He could have left us years ago for a Prem club but probably chose not to because he was a fan. Had we made it back to the Premier League he certainly wouldn't have been leaving us for Brighton!

You might not think so but this is a specialist position that needs specialist knowledge and coaching but it is  and there will have been a bond between them. It's someone he trusted to give him the best advice. My son had exactly the same relationship with a coach for an equally specialist position in another sport.

I also go back to the Sorba Thomas situation and all I've written above. What is difference between what we tried to do to Boreham Wood and what Brighton have done? I'll tell what it is - we've got more, under the current system, than we were probably entitled to. Boreham Wood would have got less than his market value. Our loss is that we chose not to pay what they asked for as we might be pushing for a Play Off spot had we done so.

You question his loyalty. I suspect that his family feel that Charlton's loyalty walked out the door when we dropped his year old brother. An 18 year old who was also with us for a decade but who was shown the door just months earlier. Also a fan too and a ball boy on match days at the club he loved. But there is no sentiment in football for those discarded as a result of a decision that might be the one that ends the lad's dream. I haven't seen you express any sympathy for him and I suspect that you feel none whatsoever because you see that as being how football works. Well it works the other way too. Because players are as Gallen puts it "projects". Or, as I put it, "commodities" to be invested in and then sold - some for a profit, some for a loss and some for nothing!

And just for a record I have been a Valley Gold member from the start bar a couple of years as a protest against the regime - membership I reinstated as soon as Duchatelet departed. I go back as far as Billy Bonds, Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott etc etc. We've always done it. But we've also reaped the benefit of other people's work such as our greatest ever striker - because we weren't responsible for "nurturing" his talent as he joined us when he was over 21 or 22. 

Sorba Thomas signed a contract with Boreham Wood after coming through their youth which allowed them to turn our offer down and sell him for more.  I think he makes a bad example for you but guess you meant that we acted badly in the transfer negotiations by unsettling him/leaking our bid to the press.  I'm fact, It was in both clubs interests to leak our bid (us to unsettle him and them to create a bidding war) so I have no idea who did it; ultimately they benefitted more than us and if it was us that leaked it then we got what we deserved - nothing.

As for young players being discarded and the club showing no loyalty I think you do Steve Avory a massive disservice by that throw away comment. 
For me, Charlton's academy is akin to a form of higher education for players.  No higher education promises a career and many you now have to pay for.  Kids go to 6th form/Uni to learn and hope for a better career off the back of it but aren't promised one.  Other kids sign for a football club to learn and hope for a professional contract at the end of it. 

The club runs an academy at the cost of £1-2M pa even though we have lost, what £100M+ since relegation from the PL. That academy gives a damn good education both footballing and life skills to it's players for no cost at all to them that I am aware of.  For those players that  don't make the grade they are lined up trial matches at other clubs and I believe, given other career advice not just discarded.

Harry Beadle is now on a pro contract, his education with us helped him fulfill a dream.  I hope he has a great career and makes us regret our decision to release him.  

Your "guess/baseless accusation" that I feel no sympathy for players who don't make the grade is wrong, as is proven by many of my posts on youth players threads on this very forum over the years.

Addick Addict

DOUCHER said:

Airman Brown said:

Addick Addict said:

Athletico Charlton said:

DOUCHER said:

Chunes said:

DOUCHER said:

A lot of jumping to conclusions above - he, his family and his agent had been lied to repeatedly by Ged Roddy about many things - Roddy was proven to have lied and Gallen had to step in and sort things out, with Roddy removed. Roddy was also responsible for bringing Millwall's academy goalkeeping coach in to replace the respected Andy Marshall - that didn't impress anybody and remains a problem that will be sorted out - without knowing the ins and outs people are going to jump to the wrong conclusions here, of course, but trust me, this worked out as well as it could have done for Charlton after the mess that was created in the summer.    

Ok but why did he refuse to travel to Swansea? 

We are talking about a 17 year old that loves the club, has supported them all his life, has travelled home and away watching them since he was very young and was being messed about and lied to - that is the build up to what happened and he was in tears that day when he didn't board the coach so if you think he is some heartless mercenary who has used the club to his advantage and then fucked them off when it suited, you are very wrong.  

Heartless or not the bit in bold is surely exactly what he did. Used us for training and coaching until old enough to sign his first contract and signed it with Brighton.  Which bit of that is not factually accurate?

Oh come on - wake up and smell the coffee!!! This is a lad who has always been an extremely gifted keeper. He's been in the England set up for three or four years. He could have left us years ago for a Prem club but probably chose not to because he was a fan. Had we made it back to the Premier League he certainly wouldn't have been leaving us for Brighton!

You might not think so but this is a specialist position that needs specialist knowledge and coaching but it is  and there will have been a bond between them. It's someone he trusted to give him the best advice. My son had exactly the same relationship with a coach for an equally specialist position in another sport.

I also go back to the Sorba Thomas situation and all I've written above. What is difference between what we tried to do to Boreham Wood and what Brighton have done? I'll tell what it is - we've got more, under the current system, than we were probably entitled to. Boreham Wood would have got less than his market value. Our loss is that we chose not to pay what they asked for as we might be pushing for a Play Off spot had we done so.

You question his loyalty. I suspect that his family feel that Charlton's loyalty walked out the door when we dropped his year old brother. An 18 year old who was also with us for a decade but who was shown the door just months earlier. Also a fan too and a ball boy on match days at the club he loved. But there is no sentiment in football for those discarded as a result of a decision that might be the one that ends the lad's dream. I haven't seen you express any sympathy for him and I suspect that you feel none whatsoever because you see that as being how football works. Well it works the other way too. Because players are as Gallen puts it "projects". Or, as I put it, "commodities" to be invested in and then sold - some for a profit, some for a loss and some for nothing!

And just for a record I have been a Valley Gold member from the start bar a couple of years as a protest against the regime - membership I reinstated as soon as Duchatelet departed. I go back as far as Billy Bonds, Paul Walsh, Paul Elliott etc etc. We've always done it. But we've also reaped the benefit of other people's work such as our greatest ever striker - because we weren't responsible for "nurturing" his talent as he joined us when he was over 21 or 22. 

I heard that his brother being released had been a big factor. You are of course right that Charlton are no innocents in these things. 

no, definitely not a big factor although the way roddy handled it didn't impress that's for sure - very disingenuous and a rift developed but Harry was down the pecking order so it was no shock - he's a special character though and personally i think we will regret letting him go as he will go on to have a good career and be a real fans favourite somewhere - Harry was the star / talent and James wasn't even playing in goal when Charlton were pointed in the direction of Harry who will prove to be a late developer.  

I don't really know James and whilst I haven't spoken to Harry for a  few years, he was in the same club age group cricket team as my son which I also managed for a time. He was as mad as a box of frogs. But in a totally nice way. I also gave him one or two lifts to and from games when his Mum, Becky and Dad, Stuart couldn't do so. He used to have me and my son in absolute stiches. 

Harry was a fast bowler with a natural, easy action, a swing from the hips type batsman and a total athlete in the field. Given he was an absolute whippet, we used to put him on the boundary . One particular day we did witness the other side of him though. We were at Chislehurst & West Kent, batted first and Harry, having opened, retired on 25 not out. Fairly early in their innings, one of their batsmen hit the ball in the direction of him on the boundary on the very far side of the ground. Unfortunately, Harry wasn't looking and was actually on his haunches facing away from the action. He didn't realise what was going on 'til my son and others shouted "Harry, Harry". But it was too late and four runs were scored. I asked Harry at the end of the game what he was doing - "I was bored so decided to pick some daisies!". You just couldn't get angry with him because that was Harry all over. A total maverick. He would have been 12 at the time and that was his last season of playing cricket as he rightly decided to concentrate on football.

Which really explains why I am defensive when talking about James and why I see Harry as part of the argument. He might have expected to be dropped but I would struggle with the concept that he wasn't hurt by it. That is professional sport though. I have no idea why James did what he did or who advised him to do it as I have equally no idea who recommended that Sorba Thomas to pull out of a game when we made our bid for him. What I do know is that both the Beadle boys and their dad are Charlton through and through. Harry tweets messages all the time about current and former Charlton players who were at the Club at the same time as him, congratulating them on their successes.

It is sad that we won't see the Beadle brothers playing for us. But that really is football in the modern era. Some players opt to leave for a bigger club a lot earlier than they might have done in former times and others are released possibly before they should have been. The game is more of a business than it's ever been and sentiment, sadly, rarely comes into it.

DOUCHER

Absolutely - i know the whole family very well which is also why i can't just leave some of the assumptions - i could tell loads of great stories re Harry - it was my Dad who got the scout down to look at him and James obviously followed on a few years later - we would all have preferred they were still at Charlton but that's life or football anyway. 

cafcsinger

I look forward to booing him in 5 years when hes on loan to Afc Wimbledon and we're still in this poxy league. 
Seriously though, Charlton fan refusing to play? I don't care if he's ill advised or not, unacceptable and not a true Addick - as Doucher will know deep whether he admits or not.

DOUCHER

cafcsinger said:

I look forward to booing him in 5 years when hes on loan to Afc Wimbledon and we're still in this poxy league. 
Seriously though, Charlton fan refusing to play? I don't care if he's ill advised or not, unacceptable and not a true Addick - as Doucher will know deep whether he admits or not.

nope

aliwibble

cafcsinger said:

I look forward to booing him in 5 years when hes on loan to Afc Wimbledon and we're still in this poxy league. 
Seriously though, Charlton fan refusing to play? I don't care if he's ill advised or not, unacceptable and not a true Addick - as Doucher will know deep whether he admits or not.

I think there's a difference between a teenager having a bit of a strop because he feels like he's been messed about, and a grown man deliberately trying to engineer a move though. While I wouldn't be happy about either situation, I'm not going to hold a grudge about the first of those two.

YTS1978

Just catching up on this. So the lad has gone. At 1st I thought fair play good luck to him, but all this "roddy lied", "they released his brother, so he was pissed off", "he refused to play a game, but was in tears", "he made sure the club got a good deal", "he didn't like the new coach" is bollocks tbh. He's gone for a payday and why not I suppose? I ain't losing any sleep over it, but hope we stick a few goals past him if he tips up on loan at The Valley sometime in the next 5yrs...if I actually remember his name.

shirty5

YTS1978 said:

Just catching up on this. So the lad has gone. At 1st I thought fair play good luck to him, but all this "roddy lied", "they released his brother, so he was pissed off", "he refused to play a game, but was in tears", "he made sure the club got a good deal", "he didn't like the new coach" is bollocks tbh. He's gone for a payday and why not I suppose? I ain't losing any sleep over it, but hope we stick a few goals past him if he tips up on loan at The Valley sometime in the next 5yrs...if I actually remember his name.

You better watch out….

YTS1978

cafcsinger said:

I look forward to booing him in 5 years when hes on loan to Afc Wimbledon and we're still in this poxy league. 
Seriously though, Charlton fan refusing to play? I don't care if he's ill advised or not, unacceptable and not a true Addick - as Doucher will know deep whether he admits or not.

Just seen your comment @cafcsinger agree 100%

LargeAddick

Has this been mentioned on the official site?

Scoham

LargeAddick said:

Has this been mentioned on the official site?

Don't think so.

DOUCHER

the suspension stuff seems to have come from airman (i wasn't aware he was suspended but knew things had come to a head) but there again so does harry not getting a deal being a significant factor, which it wasn't, so it may or may nor be true   

Airman Brown

DOUCHER said:

the suspension stuff seems to have come from airman (i wasn't aware he was suspended but knew things had come to a head) but there again so does harry not getting a deal being a significant factor, which it wasn't, so it may or may nor be true   

There is a big difference between reporting fact and motivation. The piece I published sticks to the former and is deliberately less about the player than what it says about the club's ability to retain young players when competing with those at a higher level.

You obviously know about this matter and I'm pleased you have confirmed the basis of my story, but you are mostly dealing in motivation which is difficult to gauge and subject to interpretation, including by you. I could speculate as to why the lad was in tears about not travelling (as you suggest) and who or what had brought him to that decision if he was that upset about it, but it's not an area I want to dabble in.

I was told that the brother being released was part of a breakdown in relations with the family. The source might be wrong on that, but these things are rarely clear cut. The source clearly knew what had happened around the Swansea game, so I would trust them on the aftermath.