A well-earned new 2 year contract for Jackson. His existing deal was expiring this summer
Shows how things can turn around. He wasn’t far off Appleton levels of corner flag memes at the end of last season but the club stuck with him and he’s doing an excellent job.
One point off the Play Offs to be fair with a very average squad bar the their top scorer who has been sold to Ipswich (18 goals this season). That would be the equivalent of us having sold Alfie May in the window and we know where we would be without him. It will be interesting to see what happens to Wimbledon during the course of the rest of the season.
One point off the Play Offs to be fair with a very average squad bar the their top scorer who has been sold to Ipswich (18 goals this season). That would be the equivalent of us having sold Alfie May in the window and we know where we would be without him. It will be interesting to see what happens to Wimbledon during the course of the rest of the season.
Do they have an average squad? Like us will be interesting to see where they are after the next six games as they seem to be playing teams in and around them.
JJ's record as our Manager was W 20, D 6 and L 15. That would equate to 74 points over the course of a season. We would have to win 15 of our final 16 matches this season to beat that.
I'm certainly not saying that I would have had him back instead of Jones but we have to accept that he didn't do an awful job and was a young manager learning his trade. Look at someone like Russell Martin. He's doing a fantastic job at Southampton but, actually, he lost more games at MK Dons and Swansea than he won. Perhaps our mistake was giving him the job too soon and not allowing to him to learn his craft and make those mistakes elsewhere, in the same way as we sent the likes of keepers such as Pope, Elliott and Randolph on loan. I'm sure that had we then looked to appoint him he and we would be in a much better position than we were and are now.
Strange this; my brother in law is an AFC Wimbledon supporter and he's not too keen on Jacko.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
Strange this; my brother in law is an AFC Wimbledon supporter and he's not too keen on Jacko.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
I think that you have to take last season as a rebuilding job. His record this season is much stronger. That Wimbledon squad for League 2 is no better than ours is for League 1. They're challenging for the play offs. We all know where we are.
Helps having some of the best players in the world. If Klopp really wanted a challenge he could try managing a League Two side for a couple of seasons.
One point off the Play Offs to be fair with a very average squad bar the their top scorer who has been sold to Ipswich (18 goals this season). That would be the equivalent of us having sold Alfie May in the window and we know where we would be without him. It will be interesting to see what happens to Wimbledon during the course of the rest of the season.
Do they have an average squad? Like us will be interesting to see where they are after the next six games as they seem to be playing teams in and around them.
They are 9 points behind Wrexham who do have the likes of James McLean, Elliot Lee, Eoghan O'Connell, Paul Mullin, Andy Cannon, Steven Fletcher, George Evans and Thomas O'Connor and who have hundreds and hundreds of games between them playing at a higher standard than League 2. Wimbledon will now have to rely on Josh Davison and Omar Bugiel for their goals - 76 in 388 matches in their career between them!
Helps having some of the best players in the world. If Klopp really wanted a challenge he could try managing a League Two side for a couple of seasons.
Yeah i had similar writen in the post, but deleted it because they're playing against teams with some of the best players in the world. Think its all relative and still shows a decent enough reflexion of things.
JJ was on a hiding to nothing with us. TS set him a very stretchy target to keep his job beyond season's end and further hampered his chances by insisting on a style of play which was not the pragmatic solution required to gain enough points to meet the finishing place in the league that he needed to. He was far from perfect but if supported in the summer window we might well have avoided the shitshow of the last couple of years.
One point off the Play Offs to be fair with a very average squad bar the their top scorer who has been sold to Ipswich (18 goals this season). That would be the equivalent of us having sold Alfie May in the window and we know where we would be without him. It will be interesting to see what happens to Wimbledon during the course of the rest of the season.
Do they have an average squad? Like us will be interesting to see where they are after the next six games as they seem to be playing teams in and around them.
They are 9 points behind Wrexham who do have the likes of James McLean, Elliot Lee, Eoghan O'Connell, Paul Mullin, Andy Cannon, Steven Fletcher, George Evans and Thomas O'Connor and who have hundreds and hundreds of games between them playing at a higher standard than League 2. Wimbledon will now have to rely on Josh Davison and Omar Bugiel for their goals - 76 in 388 matches in their career between them!
I thought you'd spelt Omar Bogle's name badly wrong at first
One point off the Play Offs to be fair with a very average squad bar the their top scorer who has been sold to Ipswich (18 goals this season). That would be the equivalent of us having sold Alfie May in the window and we know where we would be without him. It will be interesting to see what happens to Wimbledon during the course of the rest of the season.
Do they have an average squad? Like us will be interesting to see where they are after the next six games as they seem to be playing teams in and around them.
They are 9 points behind Wrexham who do have the likes of James McLean, Elliot Lee, Eoghan O'Connell, Paul Mullin, Andy Cannon, Steven Fletcher, George Evans and Thomas O'Connor and who have hundreds and hundreds of games between them playing at a higher standard than League 2. Wimbledon will now have to rely on Josh Davison and Omar Bugiel for their goals - 76 in 388 matches in their career between them!
I thought you'd spelt Omar Bogle's name badly wrong at first
As incredible as it might appear, Bogle's record is actually much better than that of Bugiel. The former is playing at a level where he has had moderate success whereas the latter has never hit those heady heights!
Bugiel - 45 goals in 250 appearances Bogle - 95 goals in 274 appearances
Strange this; my brother in law is an AFC Wimbledon supporter and he's not too keen on Jacko.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
I think that you have to take last season as a rebuilding job. His record this season is much stronger. That Wimbledon squad for League 2 is no better than ours is for League 1. They're challenging for the play offs. We all know where we are.
I would say we are under achieving rather than them over achieving.
wimbledon claim the small club and poverty card but they have their own stadium, relatively big crowds for that league and have sold a couple of players for biggish fees and invested it well. They are where I would expect them to be
Great to see JJ turn it around. Said it before but we set ourselves back by replacing him with Garner and in the process lumped ourselves with a load of lower L1/L2 players in the process
Strange this; my brother in law is an AFC Wimbledon supporter and he's not too keen on Jacko.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
I think that you have to take last season as a rebuilding job. His record this season is much stronger. That Wimbledon squad for League 2 is no better than ours is for League 1. They're challenging for the play offs. We all know where we are.
I would say we are under achieving rather than them over achieving.
wimbledon claim the small club and poverty card but they have their own stadium, relatively big crowds for that league and have sold a couple of players for biggish fees and invested it well. They are where I would expect them to be
Agreed. They stayed in L1 for 6 seasons before relegation, so they weren't some minnow out of their depth in a higher division. The new ground has clearly taken a lot of their capital, but it's also delivering bigger gates and corporate income.
Yes Jacko has done a decent job this season, but nothing outstanding.
Strange this; my brother in law is an AFC Wimbledon supporter and he's not too keen on Jacko.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
I think that you have to take last season as a rebuilding job. His record this season is much stronger. That Wimbledon squad for League 2 is no better than ours is for League 1. They're challenging for the play offs. We all know where we are.
I would say we are under achieving rather than them over achieving.
wimbledon claim the small club and poverty card but they have their own stadium, relatively big crowds for that league and have sold a couple of players for biggish fees and invested it well. They are where I would expect them to be
Agreed. They stayed in L1 for 6 seasons before relegation, so they weren't some minnow out of their depth in a higher division. The new ground has clearly taken a lot of their capital, but it's also delivering bigger gates and corporate income.
Yes Jacko has done a decent job this season, but nothing outstanding.
Dear Lord.
Remind me which oligarch or multi-national corporation owns AFCW.
They stayed in L1 for six seasons while all the time remaining fan-owned. Who built their new stadium? The fans. Even at this level that is a towering achievement. Portsmouth tried it but threw in the towel. Now they are dependent on Mr Disney.
Portsmouth fans are generally a pretty bone-headed and entitled bunch. It’s one reason why we do well there, we know how easily they turn. (I’ve witnessed it since the mid 70s when I was at Poly there, two of my best mates were die-hards)
Are we as a fanbase becoming more like Pompey and less like AFCW? These two comments suggest so, and I think that is sad. I guess thats what happens when people forget the lessons of history.
Strange this; my brother in law is an AFC Wimbledon supporter and he's not too keen on Jacko.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
I think that you have to take last season as a rebuilding job. His record this season is much stronger. That Wimbledon squad for League 2 is no better than ours is for League 1. They're challenging for the play offs. We all know where we are.
I would say we are under achieving rather than them over achieving.
wimbledon claim the small club and poverty card but they have their own stadium, relatively big crowds for that league and have sold a couple of players for biggish fees and invested it well. They are where I would expect them to be
Agreed. They stayed in L1 for 6 seasons before relegation, so they weren't some minnow out of their depth in a higher division. The new ground has clearly taken a lot of their capital, but it's also delivering bigger gates and corporate income.
Yes Jacko has done a decent job this season, but nothing outstanding.
Dear Lord.
Remind me which oligarch or multi-national corporation owns AFCW.
They stayed in L1 for six seasons while all the time remaining fan-owned. Who built their new stadium? The fans. Even at this level that is a towering achievement. Portsmouth tried it but threw in the towel. Now they are dependent on Mr Disney.
Portsmouth fans are generally a pretty bone-headed and entitled bunch. It’s one reason why we do well there, we know how easily they turn. (I’ve witnessed it since the mid 70s when I was at Poly there, two of my best mates were die-hards)
Are we as a fanbase becoming more like Pompey and less like AFCW? These two comments suggest so, and I think that is sad. I guess thats what happens when people forget the lessons of history.
???
I never knocked the amazing achievement in getting back to Plough Lane, though Kingstonian supporters might feel less charitable, after the sale of Kingsmeadow to Chelsea kicked them out. And the horrible language aimed at Karl Robinson when he was our manager left a sour taste too.
While it clearly isn't the only factor, Wimbledon have the 6th highest average attendances in L2, so you'd expect them to be competitive. The 2 teams either side of them in the table, Harrogate and Accrington, have the 22nd and 23rd highest attendances. Hence as I said, Jacko is doing a decent job, but not outstanding.
Strange this; my brother in law is an AFC Wimbledon supporter and he's not too keen on Jacko.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
I think that you have to take last season as a rebuilding job. His record this season is much stronger. That Wimbledon squad for League 2 is no better than ours is for League 1. They're challenging for the play offs. We all know where we are.
I would say we are under achieving rather than them over achieving.
wimbledon claim the small club and poverty card but they have their own stadium, relatively big crowds for that league and have sold a couple of players for biggish fees and invested it well. They are where I would expect them to be
Agreed. They stayed in L1 for 6 seasons before relegation, so they weren't some minnow out of their depth in a higher division. The new ground has clearly taken a lot of their capital, but it's also delivering bigger gates and corporate income.
Yes Jacko has done a decent job this season, but nothing outstanding.
Dear Lord.
Remind me which oligarch or multi-national corporation owns AFCW.
They stayed in L1 for six seasons while all the time remaining fan-owned. Who built their new stadium? The fans. Even at this level that is a towering achievement. Portsmouth tried it but threw in the towel. Now they are dependent on Mr Disney.
Portsmouth fans are generally a pretty bone-headed and entitled bunch. It’s one reason why we do well there, we know how easily they turn. (I’ve witnessed it since the mid 70s when I was at Poly there, two of my best mates were die-hards)
Are we as a fanbase becoming more like Pompey and less like AFCW? These two comments suggest so, and I think that is sad. I guess thats what happens when people forget the lessons of history.
???
I never knocked the amazing achievement in getting back to Plough Lane, though Kingstonian supporters might feel less charitable, after the sale of Kingsmeadow to Chelsea kicked them out. And the horrible language aimed at Karl Robinson when he was our manager left a sour taste too.
While it clearly isn't the only factor, Wimbledon have the 6th highest average attendances in L2, so you'd expect them to be competitive. The 2 teams either side of them in the table, Harrogate and Accrington, have the 22nd and 23rd highest attendances. Hence as I said, Jacko is doing a decent job, but not outstanding.
WTF has attendance got to do with their performance
Strange this; my brother in law is an AFC Wimbledon supporter and he's not too keen on Jacko.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
I think that you have to take last season as a rebuilding job. His record this season is much stronger. That Wimbledon squad for League 2 is no better than ours is for League 1. They're challenging for the play offs. We all know where we are.
I would say we are under achieving rather than them over achieving.
wimbledon claim the small club and poverty card but they have their own stadium, relatively big crowds for that league and have sold a couple of players for biggish fees and invested it well. They are where I would expect them to be
Agreed. They stayed in L1 for 6 seasons before relegation, so they weren't some minnow out of their depth in a higher division. The new ground has clearly taken a lot of their capital, but it's also delivering bigger gates and corporate income.
Yes Jacko has done a decent job this season, but nothing outstanding.
Dear Lord.
Remind me which oligarch or multi-national corporation owns AFCW.
They stayed in L1 for six seasons while all the time remaining fan-owned. Who built their new stadium? The fans. Even at this level that is a towering achievement. Portsmouth tried it but threw in the towel. Now they are dependent on Mr Disney.
Portsmouth fans are generally a pretty bone-headed and entitled bunch. It’s one reason why we do well there, we know how easily they turn. (I’ve witnessed it since the mid 70s when I was at Poly there, two of my best mates were die-hards)
Are we as a fanbase becoming more like Pompey and less like AFCW? These two comments suggest so, and I think that is sad. I guess thats what happens when people forget the lessons of history.
???
I never knocked the amazing achievement in getting back to Plough Lane, though Kingstonian supporters might feel less charitable, after the sale of Kingsmeadow to Chelsea kicked them out. And the horrible language aimed at Karl Robinson when he was our manager left a sour taste too.
While it clearly isn't the only factor, Wimbledon have the 6th highest average attendances in L2, so you'd expect them to be competitive. The 2 teams either side of them in the table, Harrogate and Accrington, have the 22nd and 23rd highest attendances. Hence as I said, Jacko is doing a decent job, but not outstanding.
WTF has attendance got to do with their performance
The bigger a club’s attendances the higher their budget generally is, and therefore expectations.
Of course it doesn’t necessarily mean they also have the 6th highest wage budget in the league.
He is a Charlton legend and whilst I get everyone wants him to do well
But as I say IMO he isn't a good manager
He is a great player motivator, which is why when he first took over us he had that great run because he was able to get into the players, put an arm around them, get some passion.
Games like yesterday are perfect for him, I knew AFC would win because that's the type of game he can win(especially as they lost to MK a month ago) but before today they had won 2 of their last 10(both wins against 10 men) tactically he doesn't have what it takes and again just my opinion but he makes the perfect number 2, doesn't have to make the tactical decisions, but at the same time can be the passionate one to get the players going
Would love to be proved wrong but personally don't think he will succeed long term as a manager(i know this will annoy some people as they have an attachment to him still, but as I said just because he is a CAFC legend which he is, i try to look at things with an open mind)
Anyway football is all about opinions and thats just mine
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I'm certainly not saying that I would have had him back instead of Jones but we have to accept that he didn't do an awful job and was a young manager learning his trade. Look at someone like Russell Martin. He's doing a fantastic job at Southampton but, actually, he lost more games at MK Dons and Swansea than he won. Perhaps our mistake was giving him the job too soon and not allowing to him to learn his craft and make those mistakes elsewhere, in the same way as we sent the likes of keepers such as Pope, Elliott and Randolph on loan. I'm sure that had we then looked to appoint him he and we would be in a much better position than we were and are now.
Find it interesting looking at his PPM stats though. Jackos at AFC Wimbledon is 1.32. His average as permanent manager at Charlton was 1.53, which obviously got him sacked.
Nathan Jones managerial career PPM is 1.55, but some of that was in the Prem.
For comparison -
1st. Pep = 2.34
2nd. Ferguson = 2.16
3rd. Klopp = 2.11
He was far from perfect but if supported in the summer window we might well have avoided the shitshow of the last couple of years.
Bugiel - 45 goals in 250 appearances
Bogle - 95 goals in 274 appearances
wimbledon claim the small club and poverty card but they have their own stadium, relatively big crowds for that league and have sold a couple of players for biggish fees and invested it well. They are where I would expect them to be
Yes Jacko has done a decent job this season, but nothing outstanding.
Remind me which oligarch or multi-national corporation owns AFCW.
They stayed in L1 for six seasons while all the time remaining fan-owned. Who built their new stadium? The fans. Even at this level that is a towering achievement. Portsmouth tried it but threw in the towel. Now they are dependent on Mr Disney.
Are we as a fanbase becoming more like Pompey and less like AFCW? These two comments suggest so, and I think that is sad. I guess thats what happens when people forget the lessons of history.
I never knocked the amazing achievement in getting back to Plough Lane, though Kingstonian supporters might feel less charitable, after the sale of Kingsmeadow to Chelsea kicked them out. And the horrible language aimed at Karl Robinson when he was our manager left a sour taste too.
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-two/attendances
While it clearly isn't the only factor, Wimbledon have the 6th highest average attendances in L2, so you'd expect them to be competitive. The 2 teams either side of them in the table, Harrogate and Accrington, have the 22nd and 23rd highest attendances. Hence as I said, Jacko is doing a decent job, but not outstanding.
Of course it doesn’t necessarily mean they also have the 6th highest wage budget in the league.
Jacko is not a good manager
He is a Charlton legend and whilst I get everyone wants him to do well
But as I say IMO he isn't a good manager
He is a great player motivator, which is why when he first took over us he had that great run because he was able to get into the players, put an arm around them, get some passion.
Games like yesterday are perfect for him, I knew AFC would win because that's the type of game he can win(especially as they lost to MK a month ago) but before today they had won 2 of their last 10(both wins against 10 men) tactically he doesn't have what it takes and again just my opinion but he makes the perfect number 2, doesn't have to make the tactical decisions, but at the same time can be the passionate one to get the players going
Would love to be proved wrong but personally don't think he will succeed long term as a manager(i know this will annoy some people as they have an attachment to him still, but as I said just because he is a CAFC legend which he is, i try to look at things with an open mind)
Anyway football is all about opinions and thats just mine