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Never Mess With A Boxer!

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    Redrobo said:
    He is meant to be a trained professional sportsman. 
    Way too much force used and he could have killed him and may well of caused serious brain damage. The guy didn’t have too much to lose as it is!

    He was not in any danger and the situation was being very well controlled by the guy in the white T shirt.
    I think prison awaits.
    He attacked his colleague and raised his hands to Francis...he had every right to clout him as he was clearly out of control and the guy would have certainly carried it on elsewhere. 
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    As a woke lefty I think this was an absolute shocker.

    Should have nailed him with a jab.
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    cafc999 said:
    Apparently the security manager has posted this:

    "Woke up to a viral story about one of our security team. Julius Francis, is ex UK heavyweight boxing champion, he is one of the nicest people I have ever met and helps train young underprivileged kids boxing in his spare time. My understanding is that Julius and our security team spent 15 minutes stopping this man and his friends from abusing, spitting and hitting our customers and staff. They carefully escorted him from the premises under constant provocation and violence. Finally the person approached Julius in a confrontational manner and he defended himself. Acts of violence or abuse to any staff members should never be tolerated. How would you react if someone approached you violently? What would you do next if you were in my shoes ?"
    Helps train them when he's working too ;)
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    edited June 2022
    If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him. 

    Bouncer will lose his job easy.
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    If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him. 

    Bouncer will lose his job easy.
    Dunno... The statement from the Security Manager will add some doubt. 
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    If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him. 

    Bouncer will lose his job easy.
    None of us were there to see what actually went on, so not an easy lawsuit as you suggest. 

    Not ideal from Francis but the guy that got sparked and his mates were hardly acting great.


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    cfgs said:
    redbuttle said:
    /cfgs said:
    That video will probably get him the sack.
    The aggressor had already called Francis "a fat cxxx" and says that "he hopes that he has a heart attack" several times and also had tried to attack at least one of the security guards. On the pavement he actually moves towards Francis with a raised hand who, while backing off, and the non aggressor clearly feels that he is under threat of being attacked. An obvious case of self defence Your Honour.
    Yep it's a pre-emptive strike. As long as its only one it's OK in the eyes of the law... 
    Self defence has to be in relation to the danger faced, you could argue that he was in no danger and his punches are a form of weapon.  Lawyers would love to argue it over.
    I believe that if you fear that you are in danger and are going to be attacked then this applies..
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    If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him. 

    Bouncer will lose his job easy.
    Dunno... The statement from the Security Manager will add some doubt. 
    It reads like a report from a manager in a company about to get sued, covering their arse. 

    Didn't realise walking out of the outdoor area and away from the site with hands down is 'violent' but that's just me. 
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    redbuttle said:
    cfgs said:
    redbuttle said:
    /cfgs said:
    That video will probably get him the sack.
    The aggressor had already called Francis "a fat cxxx" and says that "he hopes that he has a heart attack" several times and also had tried to attack at least one of the security guards. On the pavement he actually moves towards Francis with a raised hand who, while backing off, and the non aggressor clearly feels that he is under threat of being attacked. An obvious case of self defence Your Honour.
    Yep it's a pre-emptive strike. As long as its only one it's OK in the eyes of the law... 
    Self defence has to be in relation to the danger faced, you could argue that he was in no danger and his punches are a form of weapon.  Lawyers would love to argue it over.
    I believe that if you fear that you are in danger and are going to be attacked then this applies..
    Absolutely correct.I have just attended a conflict management course and that is what we were told.

    The question is whether he has used reasonable force in defending himself. That is the thing lawyers could argue over.
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    Redrobo said:
    He is meant to be a trained professional sportsman. 
    Way too much force used and he could have killed him and may well of caused serious brain damage. The guy didn’t have too much to lose as it is!

    He was not in any danger and the situation was being very well controlled by the guy in the white T shirt.
    I think prison awaits.

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    edited June 2022
    redbuttle said:
    /cfgs said:
    That video will probably get him the sack.
    The aggressor had already called Francis "a fat cxxx" and says that "he hopes that he has a heart attack" several times and also had tried to attack at least one of the security guards. On the pavement he actually moves towards Francis with a raised hand who, while backing off, and the non aggressor clearly feels that he is under threat of being attacked. An obvious case of self defence Your Honour.
    Yep it's a pre-emptive strike. As long as its only one it's OK in the eyes of the law... 
    The bloke that got laid out is clearly a total weapon and my sympathy for him is negligible but if he's sustained lasting injury, even just concussion, Francis is gonna be in trouble.  Laying people out ain't cool.  In the days of shitty trouble makers videoing everything like this then a "licensed doorman" has to rely on his training when these aggressive fuckwits come at them.  Self-defence ain't gonna wash in this one, the weapon is barely half Francis's size, he could have held him at arm's length forever without any risk of actually getting hit.
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    Do we really need to get all Victor Sifuentes over this?


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    edited June 2022
    I feel some of you are painting the aggressor as a nice and gentle chap. Worth remembering that we've seen a 50 second clip of the boxparkbeef, not the 15 minutes of joy the probably preceded this.
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    cafc999 said:
    Apparently the security manager has posted this:

    "Woke up to a viral story about one of our security team. Julius Francis, is ex UK heavyweight boxing champion, he is one of the nicest people I have ever met and helps train young underprivileged kids boxing in his spare time. My understanding is that Julius and our security team spent 15 minutes stopping this man and his friends from abusing, spitting and hitting our customers and staff. They carefully escorted him from the premises under constant provocation and violence. Finally the person approached Julius in a confrontational manner and he defended himself. Acts of violence or abuse to any staff members should never be tolerated. How would you react if someone approached you violently? What would you do next if you were in my shoes ?"
    What else is the business gonna say?
    The knocked out bloke and his shit digging ilk are gonna be all over this for compensation.  Sadly any sort of 'natural justice' will be defeated
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    I have got liitle time for bully boy bouncers, but the guy clearly raises his hand at Francis

    One punch to protect yourself is acceptable - not like he rained fury on the fella.
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    Ginger baldy is the one that gets me. "Why did you do that".

    Are you blind or stupid? Perhaps because the guy was being a lairy prick for the last few minutes, insulted me, took a swing at my colleague, and was still giving it as he approached me. 
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    edited June 2022
    If the guy that was knocked out gets his hands on the video, that's an easy lawsuit win for him. 

    Bouncer will lose his job easy.
    Dunno... The statement from the Security Manager will add some doubt. 
    It reads like a report from a manager in a company about to get sued, covering their arse. 

    Didn't realise walking out of the outdoor area and away from the site with hands down is 'violent' but that's just me. 
    The whole group were not just 'walking away' though. Have a closer study and you see them getting ushered out of the park all whilst going back & forth towards the bouncers
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    Not unreasonable at all to punch him in that situation. One punch, didn't go in afterwards (many bouncers I've seen in this situation would pile on and probably punch or kick the guy as he's down just for good measure) 

    Julius might get a reprimand or something, but I doubt he's doing time or anything else for that.

    I've worked in clubs, cocktail bars and street markets like Boxpark for 8 years now and have worked with security and subsequently the police gathering CCTV evidence of alleged assaults from security on the public multiple times. Only once did one of the security get done for excessive force relative to the other man's actions. The altercation in question was during an argument about not being let back into the venue, the customer grabbed the security guards beanie hat and pulled it off him, the security guard gave him an uppercut that sent the customer sprawling across the pavement.
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    I dt think that was necessary 
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    redbuttle said:
    cfgs said:
    redbuttle said:
    /cfgs said:
    That video will probably get him the sack.
    The aggressor had already called Francis "a fat cxxx" and says that "he hopes that he has a heart attack" several times and also had tried to attack at least one of the security guards. On the pavement he actually moves towards Francis with a raised hand who, while backing off, and the non aggressor clearly feels that he is under threat of being attacked. An obvious case of self defence Your Honour.
    Yep it's a pre-emptive strike. As long as its only one it's OK in the eyes of the law... 
    Self defence has to be in relation to the danger faced, you could argue that he was in no danger and his punches are a form of weapon.  Lawyers would love to argue it over.
    I believe that if you fear that you are in danger and are going to be attacked then this applies..
    Absolutely correct.I have just attended a conflict management course and that is what we were told.

    The question is whether he has used reasonable force in defending himself. That is the thing lawyers could argue over.
    Thanks. I was told this on my SIA renewal course...
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    Wish he knocked that ginger bloke out an all. 
    Must be a worry for young Francis though. The power and the drunkenness of his opponent (not sure if he was drunk but I hope he had a fair few otherwise his behavior is even more inexcusable) when we have all seen many a story of one punch causing brain damage (though there's a thought this guy might already have it, I mean who in their right mind wears a head bandanna) or even death. 

    Hope the bloke is alright apart from a massive black eye and hopefully a new outlook on his behavior. 

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    Watched this a few times. Can't help but feel it's a sucker punch. 
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    lolwray said:
    I dt think that was necessary 
    Super necessary.
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