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Jake Marques joins from Swindon as First Team Analyst

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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,345
    edited July 2022
    If I really wanted to get into the industry as a young lad, I would have tried whatever I could to get my foot in the door. 

    Instead you're now messaging a business professional with just shy of 10 years experience in my chosen field.

    So now, no. When I was younger, probably had I still been living at home.
    (I moved out at 17 and earned an apprentice salary in my first year as a fitness instructor earning far less than minimum wage).
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,298
    Surely it’s up to an individual what remuneration they’re happy to work for why should they be held accountable to some randoms on the Internet?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,795
    Dazzler21 said:
    If I really wanted to get into the industry as a young lad, I would have tried whatever I could to get my foot in the door. 

    Instead you're now messaging a business professional with just shy of 10 years experience in my chosen field.

    So now, no. When I was younger, probably had I still been living at home.
    (I moved out at 17 and earned an apprentice salary in my first year as a fitness instructor earning far less than minimum wage).
    Has always been thus for some industries - back in the 1970s I had my first full time job in the exciting world of marine insurance. I also played in a band - the guitarist "worked" in a recording studio. I asked him what the money was like and he said there was none and that he just got tea, biscuits and free recording time in the studio. I remember thinking at the time that there didn't seem much of a career path there. Roll forward a decade and I was still in insurance (albeit had moved onto the even more exciting world of life assurance) and he was a top record producer earning a hell of a lot more than I was ever going to do. 

    As you say, not everyone is that fortunate or prepared to take a gamble in doing so. Good luck to them if they are. I wouldn't mind betting that they end up a lot happier than most simply because they are doing something they love to do.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,298
    Some people seem to think they are owed a living just for getting out of bed in the morning, some industries this can be a huge handicap for achievement-i guess some people just don’t have any vision.
  • CharltonKerry
    CharltonKerry Posts: 2,960
    For around a year in my mid 40’s I was offered an interesting job in a start up company, (as it’s second employee, the first being the owner) the bloke was totally honest and said he couldn’t pay me anything, I took it, and never looked back, was I fortunate, lucky or clever, I’m not certain but for me I ended up with me owning the company because the old owner wanted to say thanks and sold it at a very fair price. So yes sometimes taking a risk is worth it, but don’t forget it always a risk / gamble, oh I went a year without wages, and maxed out my credit card on food.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    We seem to have an endless supply of toxic fans.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,739
    edited July 2022
    Surely it’s up to an individual what remuneration they’re happy to work for why should they be held accountable to some randoms on the Internet?
    No, it's not, which is why we have minimum wage legislation in an attempt to prevent people being exploited.
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,515
    He was an intern at Swindon.... 

    Not quite so shocking now is it? 

  • CatAddick
    CatAddick Posts: 2,387
    Lot of intern work in football is unpaid.  Mate of CatJnr has just spent a year working for one of the county FAs free and gratis during sandwich year for sports management degree.  He's made loads of contacts in the game which hopefully will help him when he graduates
  • CafcWest
    CafcWest Posts: 6,171
    Quite common in business to take an Intern position without pay.  It's not exactly ethical but lots of organisations do it - but usually for 3 - 6 months not a whole year.  Its usually organisations where people are falling over each other to get in because there is potentially lots of money to be made OR it's a job in an industry (like football) where lots of people want to work.  It enables the organisation to assess the people "hands on" and for them to show their enthusiam - it often leads to paid positions.  Some are now offering basic salaries and expenses.
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  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    edited July 2022
    I don't like the idea of unpaid internships for any period of time over a month or so.

    Volunteers are fine for a few days but for a whole season isn't right IMHO 

    If nothing else it is discriminatory as only people with funds, or rich parents, can access full time internships so that excludes many working class people.

    Yes, lots of organisations do it, including football clubs, but that doesn't make it right. Nor is it a good look.

    It's also poor HR planning as the intern has every incentive to leave as soon as they have something on their CV, leaving the organisation in the lurch.


    Agree

    Happens in financial services world all the time unfortunately. 

    Also off topic but slightly related a large proportion of youngish prominent British actors now tend to be from very comfortable/ wealthy backgrounds nowadays as they're able to not work and attend auditions and live in London sponsored by family.

    Think meritocracy is a good thing but only when there is relative equal access to opportunity in the first place which doesn't always occur with the economics of longer term unpaid internships.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Interns should be paid, legally!
    Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America.
    The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position.
    Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations.
    Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,596
    They need to be careful, there are only certain circumstances where you don't have to pay the minimum wage for interns, some of the advert makes me believe they will need to pay.

    https://www.gov.uk/employment-rights-for-interns
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,345
    seth plum said:
    Interns should be paid, legally!
    Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America.
    The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position.
    Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations.
    Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?
    That's not true. How do you think other volunteer roles are advertised?
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited July 2022
    Dazzler21 said:
    seth plum said:
    Interns should be paid, legally!
    Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America.
    The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position.
    Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations.
    Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?
    That's not true. How do you think other volunteer roles are advertised?
    I suppose (other) voluntary roles are not described as an internship.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,345
    Here's a few voluntary internships all advertised slightly differently. 

    Note the Aspinall are giving each intern one day per week. 


  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Looks like there may be a lack of clarity as to the actual difference between a volunteer and an intern.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,298
    Surely it’s up to an individual what remuneration they’re happy to work for why should they be held accountable to some randoms on the Internet?
    No, it's not, which is why we have minimum wage legislation in an attempt to prevent people being exploited.
    Jeez ok!
     I was just having a chat.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,770
    Spent last season as Head of Performance Analysis at Bromley.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,855
    Spent last season as Head of Performance Analysis at Bromley.
    It's a sign of the times that a non moneybags NL side would have a performance analyst!
  • Scoham said:
    "Very exited" - blimey he's leaving already  ;)
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,380
    Garner’s analyst Jake Marques has gone - he’s got a promotion to Head of Analysis at Crawley.


  • Crawley is the new enclave for former Swindon staff

    Scott Lindsey as manager, and he brought his captain Ben Gladwin with him from Swindon
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,380
    Crawley is the new enclave for former Swindon staff

    Scott Lindsey as manager, and he brought his captain Ben Gladwin with him from Swindon
    That’ll be the link then, makes sense.
  • A club run worse than us!
  • IAgree
    IAgree Posts: 1,839
    Scoham said:
    Garner’s analyst Jake Marques has gone - he’s got a promotion to Head of Analysis at Crawley.


    Is this a promotion?
  • No, but he doesn't have to work for the Sandgaards any more. A win for him!