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Jake Marques joins from Swindon as First Team Analyst
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If I really wanted to get into the industry as a young lad, I would have tried whatever I could to get my foot in the door.
Instead you're now messaging a business professional with just shy of 10 years experience in my chosen field.
So now, no. When I was younger, probably had I still been living at home.
(I moved out at 17 and earned an apprentice salary in my first year as a fitness instructor earning far less than minimum wage).
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Surely it’s up to an individual what remuneration they’re happy to work for why should they be held accountable to some randoms on the Internet?10
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Dazzler21 said:If I really wanted to get into the industry as a young lad, I would have tried whatever I could to get my foot in the door.
Instead you're now messaging a business professional with just shy of 10 years experience in my chosen field.
So now, no. When I was younger, probably had I still been living at home.
(I moved out at 17 and earned an apprentice salary in my first year as a fitness instructor earning far less than minimum wage).
As you say, not everyone is that fortunate or prepared to take a gamble in doing so. Good luck to them if they are. I wouldn't mind betting that they end up a lot happier than most simply because they are doing something they love to do.3 -
Some people seem to think they are owed a living just for getting out of bed in the morning, some industries this can be a huge handicap for achievement-i guess some people just don’t have any vision.2
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For around a year in my mid 40’s I was offered an interesting job in a start up company, (as it’s second employee, the first being the owner) the bloke was totally honest and said he couldn’t pay me anything, I took it, and never looked back, was I fortunate, lucky or clever, I’m not certain but for me I ended up with me owning the company because the old owner wanted to say thanks and sold it at a very fair price. So yes sometimes taking a risk is worth it, but don’t forget it always a risk / gamble, oh I went a year without wages, and maxed out my credit card on food.11
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We seem to have an endless supply of toxic fans.2
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EugenesAxe said:Surely it’s up to an individual what remuneration they’re happy to work for why should they be held accountable to some randoms on the Internet?16
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He was an intern at Swindon....
Not quite so shocking now is it?
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Lot of intern work in football is unpaid. Mate of CatJnr has just spent a year working for one of the county FAs free and gratis during sandwich year for sports management degree. He's made loads of contacts in the game which hopefully will help him when he graduates4
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Quite common in business to take an Intern position without pay. It's not exactly ethical but lots of organisations do it - but usually for 3 - 6 months not a whole year. Its usually organisations where people are falling over each other to get in because there is potentially lots of money to be made OR it's a job in an industry (like football) where lots of people want to work. It enables the organisation to assess the people "hands on" and for them to show their enthusiam - it often leads to paid positions. Some are now offering basic salaries and expenses.2
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I don't like the idea of unpaid internships for any period of time over a month or so.
Volunteers are fine for a few days but for a whole season isn't right IMHO
If nothing else it is discriminatory as only people with funds, or rich parents, can access full time internships so that excludes many working class people.
Yes, lots of organisations do it, including football clubs, but that doesn't make it right. Nor is it a good look.
It's also poor HR planning as the intern has every incentive to leave as soon as they have something on their CV, leaving the organisation in the lurch.
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Henry Irving said:I don't like the idea of unpaid internships for any period of time over a month or so.
Volunteers are fine for a few days but for a whole season isn't right IMHO
If nothing else it is discriminatory as only people with funds, or rich parents, can access full time internships so that excludes many working class people.
Yes, lots of organisations do it, including football clubs, but that doesn't make it right. Nor is it a good look.
It's also poor HR planning as the intern has every incentive to leave as soon as they have something on their CV, leaving the organisation in the lurch.
Happens in financial services world all the time unfortunately.
Also off topic but slightly related a large proportion of youngish prominent British actors now tend to be from very comfortable/ wealthy backgrounds nowadays as they're able to not work and attend auditions and live in London sponsored by family.
Think meritocracy is a good thing but only when there is relative equal access to opportunity in the first place which doesn't always occur with the economics of longer term unpaid internships.6 -
Interns should be paid, legally!
Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America.
The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position.
Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations.
Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?3 -
They need to be careful, there are only certain circumstances where you don't have to pay the minimum wage for interns, some of the advert makes me believe they will need to pay.
https://www.gov.uk/employment-rights-for-interns
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seth plum said:Interns should be paid, legally!
Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America.
The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position.
Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations.
Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?0 -
Dazzler21 said:seth plum said:Interns should be paid, legally!
Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America.
The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position.
Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations.
Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?0 -
Here's a few voluntary internships all advertised slightly differently.
Note the Aspinall are giving each intern one day per week.
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Looks like there may be a lack of clarity as to the actual difference between a volunteer and an intern.0
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Airman Brown said:EugenesAxe said:Surely it’s up to an individual what remuneration they’re happy to work for why should they be held accountable to some randoms on the Internet?
I was just having a chat.2 -
Another new analyst joins.3
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Spent last season as Head of Performance Analysis at Bromley.2
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Callumcafc said:Spent last season as Head of Performance Analysis at Bromley.1
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Scoham said:Another new analyst joins.3
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Garner’s analyst Jake Marques has gone - he’s got a promotion to Head of Analysis at Crawley.
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Crawley is the new enclave for former Swindon staff
Scott Lindsey as manager, and he brought his captain Ben Gladwin with him from Swindon0 -
killerandflash said:Crawley is the new enclave for former Swindon staff
Scott Lindsey as manager, and he brought his captain Ben Gladwin with him from Swindon0 -
A club run worse than us!0
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No, but he doesn't have to work for the Sandgaards any more. A win for him!0