If I really wanted to get into the industry as a young lad, I would have tried whatever I could to get my foot in the door.
Instead you're now messaging a business professional with just shy of 10 years experience in my chosen field.
So now, no. When I was younger, probably had I still been living at home. (I moved out at 17 and earned an apprentice salary in my first year as a fitness instructor earning far less than minimum wage).
If I really wanted to get into the industry as a young lad, I would have tried whatever I could to get my foot in the door.
Instead you're now messaging a business professional with just shy of 10 years experience in my chosen field.
So now, no. When I was younger, probably had I still been living at home. (I moved out at 17 and earned an apprentice salary in my first year as a fitness instructor earning far less than minimum wage).
Has always been thus for some industries - back in the 1970s I had my first full time job in the exciting world of marine insurance. I also played in a band - the guitarist "worked" in a recording studio. I asked him what the money was like and he said there was none and that he just got tea, biscuits and free recording time in the studio. I remember thinking at the time that there didn't seem much of a career path there. Roll forward a decade and I was still in insurance (albeit had moved onto the even more exciting world of life assurance) and he was a top record producer earning a hell of a lot more than I was ever going to do.
As you say, not everyone is that fortunate or prepared to take a gamble in doing so. Good luck to them if they are. I wouldn't mind betting that they end up a lot happier than most simply because they are doing something they love to do.
Some people seem to think they are owed a living just for getting out of bed in the morning, some industries this can be a huge handicap for achievement-i guess some people just don’t have any vision.
For around a year in my mid 40’s I was offered an interesting job in a start up company, (as it’s second employee, the first being the owner) the bloke was totally honest and said he couldn’t pay me anything, I took it, and never looked back, was I fortunate, lucky or clever, I’m not certain but for me I ended up with me owning the company because the old owner wanted to say thanks and sold it at a very fair price. So yes sometimes taking a risk is worth it, but don’t forget it always a risk / gamble, oh I went a year without wages, and maxed out my credit card on food.
Lot of intern work in football is unpaid. Mate of CatJnr has just spent a year working for one of the county FAs free and gratis during sandwich year for sports management degree. He's made loads of contacts in the game which hopefully will help him when he graduates
Quite common in business to take an Intern position without pay. It's not exactly ethical but lots of organisations do it - but usually for 3 - 6 months not a whole year. Its usually organisations where people are falling over each other to get in because there is potentially lots of money to be made OR it's a job in an industry (like football) where lots of people want to work. It enables the organisation to assess the people "hands on" and for them to show their enthusiam - it often leads to paid positions. Some are now offering basic salaries and expenses.
I don't like the idea of unpaid internships for any period of time over a month or so.
Volunteers are fine for a few days but for a whole season isn't right IMHO
If nothing else it is discriminatory as only people with funds, or rich parents, can access full time internships so that excludes many working class people.
Yes, lots of organisations do it, including football clubs, but that doesn't make it right. Nor is it a good look.
It's also poor HR planning as the intern has every incentive to leave as soon as they have something on their CV, leaving the organisation in the lurch.
I don't like the idea of unpaid internships for any period of time over a month or so.
Volunteers are fine for a few days but for a whole season isn't right IMHO
If nothing else it is discriminatory as only people with funds, or rich parents, can access full time internships so that excludes many working class people.
Yes, lots of organisations do it, including football clubs, but that doesn't make it right. Nor is it a good look.
It's also poor HR planning as the intern has every incentive to leave as soon as they have something on their CV, leaving the organisation in the lurch.
Agree
Happens in financial services world all the time unfortunately.
Also off topic but slightly related a large proportion of youngish prominent British actors now tend to be from very comfortable/ wealthy backgrounds nowadays as they're able to not work and attend auditions and live in London sponsored by family.
Think meritocracy is a good thing but only when there is relative equal access to opportunity in the first place which doesn't always occur with the economics of longer term unpaid internships.
Interns should be paid, legally! Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America. The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position. Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations. Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?
They need to be careful, there are only certain circumstances where you don't have to pay the minimum wage for interns, some of the advert makes me believe they will need to pay.
Interns should be paid, legally! Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America. The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position. Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations. Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?
That's not true. How do you think other volunteer roles are advertised?
Interns should be paid, legally! Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America. The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position. Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations. Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?
That's not true. How do you think other volunteer roles are advertised?
I suppose (other) voluntary roles are not described as an internship.
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Instead you're now messaging a business professional with just shy of 10 years experience in my chosen field.
So now, no. When I was younger, probably had I still been living at home.
(I moved out at 17 and earned an apprentice salary in my first year as a fitness instructor earning far less than minimum wage).
As you say, not everyone is that fortunate or prepared to take a gamble in doing so. Good luck to them if they are. I wouldn't mind betting that they end up a lot happier than most simply because they are doing something they love to do.
Not quite so shocking now is it?
Volunteers are fine for a few days but for a whole season isn't right IMHO
If nothing else it is discriminatory as only people with funds, or rich parents, can access full time internships so that excludes many working class people.
Yes, lots of organisations do it, including football clubs, but that doesn't make it right. Nor is it a good look.
It's also poor HR planning as the intern has every incentive to leave as soon as they have something on their CV, leaving the organisation in the lurch.
Happens in financial services world all the time unfortunately.
Also off topic but slightly related a large proportion of youngish prominent British actors now tend to be from very comfortable/ wealthy backgrounds nowadays as they're able to not work and attend auditions and live in London sponsored by family.
Think meritocracy is a good thing but only when there is relative equal access to opportunity in the first place which doesn't always occur with the economics of longer term unpaid internships.
Anybody who works is entitled by law to the minimum wage, certainly in America anybody working for a company aiming to make a profit even as an ‘intern’ should be paid by law, I think it is the same over here. Mr Sandgaard will know the employment rules in America.
The job having been advertised makes it not a voluntary position.
Now I supposed it could be couched as an educational opportunity (for which many students pay out north of £9,000 a year, or having a driving lesson at £40 a pop), but such arrangements are subject to regulations.
Where might all this lead? The NHS being totally run by St John’s Ambulance volunteers?
https://www.gov.uk/employment-rights-for-interns
Note the Aspinall are giving each intern one day per week.
I was just having a chat.
Scott Lindsey as manager, and he brought his captain Ben Gladwin with him from Swindon