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Henry IrvingHenry Irving
in General Charlton
Undated but probably late 1950s Charlton Colts side.

Marvin Hinton with ball and Peter Croker far right but stumped over all the others.

Photo found in museum 

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    Six-a-bag-of-nutsSix-a-bag-of-nuts
    Don Townsend back row far left?
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    Addick AddictAddick Addict
    Don't know his name but the guy on the left was once heard saying "we have vays of making you walk"
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    Addick AddictAddick Addict
    Was with Peter Croker's son a few weeks ago - we used to play football together in a team where he was the keeper. At 6' 6" he had the right physique for the job but not that of a wicket keeper, a job he was very good at 'til his knees and back started to give him issues.
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    DaveMehmetDaveMehmet
    What does everyone appear to have bigger ears back then?
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    Hal1xHal1x
    DaveMehmet said:
    What does everyone appear to have bigger ears back then?
    short back and sides
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    SoundAsa£SoundAsa£
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Don Townsend back row far left?
    No.
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    Dave RuddDave Rudd
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Don Townsend back row far left?
    No.
    Agreed ... it's not Don Townsend.

    Struggling with this, @Henry Irving.


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    SoundAsa£SoundAsa£
    edited July 2022

    If this was in the Marvin Hinton era then all I can say is that I don’t recognise one single player, except for Marvin that is.
    This must have been very much a reserve team of some nature, no first team players there whatsoever………………as far as I can tell.
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    Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    It's, as said in the OP, the Colts side @SoundAsa£
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    Dave RuddDave Rudd
    The Hinton/Croker overlap is the interesting one, and should help date this.

    Hinton (born 2 Feb 1940) made his Charlton debut in 1957.

    Croker (born 21 Dec 1921) was with us until 1952, so their dates don't overlap.

    It's definitely Hinton, but are you sure about Croker?  Does he look 19 years older than Hinton in that picture?
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    Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    Croker had various roles with the club after he retired as a player.

    He's not in the photo as a player but as a scout or coach.

    It's a Colts, ie youth side, in any case.
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    ElthamaddickElthamaddick
    Ant McPartlin in goal
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    Dave RuddDave Rudd
    The Museum might need to buy this:

    West Ham Yth v Charlton Colts FAYC programme dated 2-2-1959. (475) | eBay
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    killerandflashkillerandflash
    Elthamaddick said:
    Ant McPartlin in goal
    Next to an angry Boris Johnson
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    Covered EndCovered End
    Derby County are signing up younger looking players than these colts.
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    Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    Dave Rudd said:
    The Museum might need to buy this:

    West Ham Yth v Charlton Colts FAYC programme dated 2-2-1959. (475) | eBay
    We already have a copy, or at least one of our trustees does. We lost 1 - 3 
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    Dave RuddDave Rudd
    Henry Irving said:
    Dave Rudd said:
    The Museum might need to buy this:

    West Ham Yth v Charlton Colts FAYC programme dated 2-2-1959. (475) | eBay
    We already have a copy, or at least one of our trustees does. We lost 1 - 3 
    Ah, OK.

    So ... my idea was to get a list of potential names from that programme, recognising that a couple of years can be a long time in youth football.

    Much easier then to ask "Is this player X?" rather than "Who is this player?".
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    seth plumseth plum
    I think it is true to say that Peter Croker founded or established or administered what was the ‘South East Counties League’ , which was a league for London and beyond youth teams at professional clubs.
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    Addick AddictAddick Addict
    seth plum said:
    I think it is true to say that Peter Croker founded or established or administered what was the ‘South East Counties League’ , which was a league for London and beyond youth teams at professional clubs.
    For those that aren't aware, Peter's brother, Ted, also played for Charlton and went on to become Secretary of the Football Association. Ted's grandson is Eric Dier though Ted died two years before Eric was born.
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    man_at_millettsman_at_milletts
    DaveMehmet said:
    What does everyone appear to have bigger ears back then?

    Pardon. Sorry it had to be done.
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    Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    DaveMehmet said:
    What does everyone appear to have bigger ears back then?
    Regular clips round the ear cause deformation of lug 'oles.

    Kids today don't know how lucky they are.
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    Todds_right_hookTodds_right_hook
    Back left is walter white 


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    thetomahawkkidthetomahawkkid
    If that is Peter Croker he was youth team manager starting 1956. Marvin Hinton made his first team debut in 1957, so I would guess that the photo is 1956 or 1957. Could the goalie be Eddie Marsh?
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    Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    thetomahawkkid said:
    If that is Peter Croker he was youth team manager starting 1956. Marvin Hinton made his first team debut in 1957, so I would guess that the photo is 1956 or 1957. Could the goalie be Eddie Marsh?
    Thanks  @thetomahawkkid


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    Dave RuddDave Rudd
    edited July 2022
    Wilson Edmund Marsh ... born 14 Dec 1927.

    Another 30 year-old colt.  Hmmm.


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    StarinnaddickStarinnaddick
    thetomahawkkid said:
    If that is Peter Croker he was youth team manager starting 1956. Marvin Hinton made his first team debut in 1957, so I would guess that the photo is 1956 or 1957. Could the goalie be Eddie Marsh?
    No
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    BournesnrBournesnr
    Is the player to the right of Marvin Hinton Roy Matthews perhaps?
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    SoundAsa£SoundAsa£
    Bournesnr said:
    Is the player to the right of Marvin Hinton Roy Matthews perhaps?
    I have to say no.
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    thetomahawkkidthetomahawkkid
    The following link may help if anyone has time to find old photos of the players listed:

     https://www.11v11.com/teams/charlton-athletic/tab/players/season/1957/

    My guess is that the photo was a pre-season, or early season photo for 1956/57 season, so taken July/August 1956? Anyone know if there was an age limit on the Colts, or is it just a reserves team?

    I agree that the goalie doesn't really look much like Eddie Marsh (my previous suggestion), and he would have been 28 at the time, but what about Frank Reed?

    Also, a couple of other suggestions (guesses based on old photos): Bobby Ayre (right of Hinton); Ken Chamberlain (left of goalie); Syd Ellis (two to left of goalie).

    I should point out that I wasn't born at the time so can't claim to have seen any of these playing, just based on old pictures.
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    sillav nitramsillav nitram
    edited July 2022
    DaveMehmet said:
    What does everyone appear to have bigger ears back then?
    That was in the day when men could fly!

    Short back and sides?
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