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Miles Leaburn - club have triggered contract extension to June 2026 (p55)

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  • The fee is only part of the equation. The opportunity for the player will be another part. We have been here many times before.

    The club would also need to consider what selling Leaburn in January would do to the team’s immediate prospects (and what they are). A scenario in which we go on a losing run and fall further off the play-offs is very different from one in which we win the next three league games and find ourselves in the top six.

    Personally, I think selling Leaburn in January would be extremely damaging, to the club and to the board. If you snuff out hope every time it surfaces don’t be surprised if more people give up on you.



    Probably the best post on this subject IMO.

    This will be the first big test of this ownership / SMT when it comes to selling a player. Because we will lose him. It’s just a matter of when and for how much.

    January feels too soon, especially given the recent run of results. Give him until the end of the season, let him (hopefully) bag another 10-15 goals and his value would skyrocket. 

    I’d like to think we could negotiate a strong deal in the summer with a Premier League side who need to fill homegrown quotas etc.
    And if we keep him in January we'll know by the summer whether we're in the Championship or not. If we are, we'll be able to 'afford' to offer him Championship money....... would we then stretch our offer to premier level wages........ I have no idea of either of those numbers but let's say for the argument it happens....... and he has a great first season in the Championship...... I'd imagine the 'premier money' (as an investment) would be easily surpassed by the extra fee we'd eventually get for him.
    Even if that pie in the sky happened, would his development be better elsewhere?
    Such a lot for him, his parents and his agent (do his parentals represent him?) to consider I'm sure. It would be great if he did the best he could, especially if it coincided with being the best for us for whatever period of time.
  • AndyG said:
    Not putting the lad down at all but the figures some are quoting on here is madness. Yes he has potential but that’s what it is ! Potential. I can see a bigger club taking a punt ( maybe Brighton ) but not for anything like the sums being mentioned. Kone the guy yesterday is the same age and attracting interest the same as Miles but not being touted for the money being mentioned on here 

    And only recently come back from a long term injury, this has to be a consideration for clubs interested.  Also, this will reduce the transfer offer.
  • edited December 2024
    I think Leaburn will have good advice around him and the sensible approach is to focus on his game with us for the remainder of the season and review things in the summer.
  • CAFCDAZ said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown. 
    I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests. 
    I don't know of any League 1 player that has sold for £10m. Any idea of the 3rd tier record?  I'd be surprised if it was much more than £3m-£5m. Obviously there are add-ons and other clauses but to think the bottom line is going to be north of £10m is pie in the sky imo. 
  • edited December 2024
    CAFCDAZ said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown. 
    I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests. 
    I don't know of any League 1 player that has sold for £10m. Any idea of the 3rd tier record?  I'd be surprised if it was much more than £3m-£5m. Obviously there are add-ons and other clauses but to think the bottom line is going to be north of £10m is pie in the sky imo. 
    Didn’t we sell Lookman for around that? Think it was around £8m rising to £11m if my memory is right 

    A lot of inflation since then to take into consideration, but then also Leaburns contract length will bring any fee down. I’d be fuming if we accepted less than £5m in January 
  • Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre. 
    and they likely massively overpaid 
  • CAFCDAZ said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown. 
    I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests. 
    I don't know of any League 1 player that has sold for £10m. Any idea of the 3rd tier record?  I'd be surprised if it was much more than £3m-£5m. Obviously there are add-ons and other clauses but to think the bottom line is going to be north of £10m is pie in the sky imo. 


    I think just based off these we should definitely be looking at at least £5m 
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  • edited December 2024
    CAFCDAZ said:
    If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature. 
    What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?
    Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.

    Didn't Shelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?

    Signed contract Sept 2009, signed for Liverpool May 2010.
  • Kap10 said:
    bobmunro said:
    He was clearly knackered but when he came on the pitch at the end his body language was saying to me 'this is the last time'. I may have been misreading that completely though.

    I really hope not, but I can see him going in January.
    But a week ago his body language was not interested,  already on his way, didn't give a toss! I do think we read far too much into players body language.

    The same posters who were wanting Jones sacked after the Crawley game.
  • Kap10 said:
    bobmunro said:
    He was clearly knackered but when he came on the pitch at the end his body language was saying to me 'this is the last time'. I may have been misreading that completely though.

    I really hope not, but I can see him going in January.
    But a week ago his body language was not interested,  already on his way, didn't give a toss! I do think we read far too much into players body language.
    It’s because Nathan Jones had lost the dressing room……..

    For a second time I agree with you.
  • Kap10 said:
    CAFCDAZ said:
    If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature. 
    What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?
    Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.

    Didn't Shrelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?

    Don't think that was Shelvey... 
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Kap10 said:
    CAFCDAZ said:
    If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature. 
    What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?
    Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.

    Didn't Shrelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?

    Don't think that was Shelvey... 
    I think it was Carl Jenkinson, before he when to Arsenal.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Kap10 said:
    CAFCDAZ said:
    If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature. 
    What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?
    Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.

    Didn't Shrelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?

    Don't think that was Shelvey... 
    I think it was Carl Jenkinson, before he when to Arsenal.
    Carl Jenkinson was tapped up and Arsenal were caught doing it, which is why we got a better fee.
    You mean we could get a fine / pay more for the ex Luton players we get 😉🙂
  • People need to remember that the key controller of the fee won't be our level, the level the club who sign him are at or other fees for players his age, it'll be the contract length. He's got 18 months left on his contract right now and that's only because we inserted an extension clause that we've had to activate. Vultures will already be circling and they will know that at 18 months we're in our safest bargaining position. Every month that passes by reduces the fee a team are willing to pay, and once he gets to 12 months other clubs will be telling us that we can take the fee they offer now or risk losing him abroad for nothing at all from January. We won't risk that, and even if he doesn't want to go abroad bigger teams will happily hold out for a bosman and a compensation fee knowing they're typically lower than what a club would ask for. 

    Can a team at L1 level afford to have said no to £3-4m for a player and then get £1m at tribunal, or nothing at all? Paying that much isn't a big deal for a Premier League team but honestly neither is missing out on him as there are no guarantees and he's not shown the outrageous potential someone like Gomez or Lookman immediately did. He's also fairly injury-prone so they're not going to be held to ransom. I reckon if we do sell Miles be prepared to be disappointed in the fee. The only way we come out of this winning is if we convince him to sign a new deal.
  • People need to remember that the key controller of the fee won't be our level, the level the club who sign him are at or other fees for players his age, it'll be the contract length. He's got 18 months left on his contract right now and that's only because we inserted an extension clause that we've had to activate. Vultures will already be circling and they will know that at 18 months we're in our safest bargaining position. Every month that passes by reduces the fee a team are willing to pay, and once he gets to 12 months other clubs will be telling us that we can take the fee they offer now or risk losing him abroad for nothing at all from January. We won't risk that, and even if he doesn't want to go abroad bigger teams will happily hold out for a bosman and a compensation fee knowing they're typically lower than what a club would ask for. 

    Can a team at L1 level afford to have said no to £3-4m for a player and then get £1m at tribunal, or nothing at all? Paying that much isn't a big deal for a Premier League team but honestly neither is missing out on him as there are no guarantees and he's not shown the outrageous potential someone like Gomez or Lookman immediately did. He's also fairly injury-prone so they're not going to be held to ransom. I reckon if we do sell Miles be prepared to be disappointed in the fee. The only way we come out of this winning is if we convince him to sign a new deal.
    I’d say that usually contract length is the key, but in this instance I think Leaburn can at least hold his value by proving he can stay fit and scoring more goals over the next 6 months. So I’m not sure his value decreases if he does both of those things between now and the summer
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  • Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre. 
    Putting aside the fact that Birmingham massively overspent and I doubt you’ll see that sort of money for a L1 player again, it’s hard to compare the two. Stansfield is a few years older but has experience at higher levels (including England youth team recognition) than Miles. I don’t think Stansfield has suffered any serious injuries so far in his career either. 
  • NabySarr said:
    People need to remember that the key controller of the fee won't be our level, the level the club who sign him are at or other fees for players his age, it'll be the contract length. He's got 18 months left on his contract right now and that's only because we inserted an extension clause that we've had to activate. Vultures will already be circling and they will know that at 18 months we're in our safest bargaining position. Every month that passes by reduces the fee a team are willing to pay, and once he gets to 12 months other clubs will be telling us that we can take the fee they offer now or risk losing him abroad for nothing at all from January. We won't risk that, and even if he doesn't want to go abroad bigger teams will happily hold out for a bosman and a compensation fee knowing they're typically lower than what a club would ask for. 

    Can a team at L1 level afford to have said no to £3-4m for a player and then get £1m at tribunal, or nothing at all? Paying that much isn't a big deal for a Premier League team but honestly neither is missing out on him as there are no guarantees and he's not shown the outrageous potential someone like Gomez or Lookman immediately did. He's also fairly injury-prone so they're not going to be held to ransom. I reckon if we do sell Miles be prepared to be disappointed in the fee. The only way we come out of this winning is if we convince him to sign a new deal.
    I’d say that usually contract length is the key, but in this instance I think Leaburn can at least hold his value by proving he can stay fit and scoring more goals over the next 6 months. So I’m not sure his value decreases if he does both of those things between now and the summer
    We were supposedly offered 4m by Brentford for Lyle Taylor with 1 year left on his contract, ie his value 
  • There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are). 

    He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.

    So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.

    Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M.  In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.

    I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful.  These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth.  I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.

    Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...

    Tim Iroegbunam £10M
    Lewis Dobbin £10M
    Omary Kellyman £19M

    Weren't they dodgy FFP type transfers?
  • Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre. 
    That's what a (moneybags) League 1 side SPENT. I'm talking about how many League 1 clubs SOLD a player for £5m +.  Proper established League 1 club like us, not a Championship side that had just got relegated & needed to ship out players. 
  • We are getting a little carried away here based on the last 3 times he has played.  Before the last 3 matches, he scored 3 in his last 24 and has looked rusty all season.  While we know a lot of that is due a slow recovery process from injury,  a premier league team is not going to spend 5 million unless they see that there is not recurring injury concerns and he has shown some consistency of play at this level.  Premier league teams will take a risk on a young player for between 1-2 million but traditionally they have not spent 5 million on lower league players just given the uncertainty of the step up in quality they will be playing against.  Just see the chart someone posted above - it is rare. They will spend those amounts for a young player who has had some level of success in the championship but the step up in quality from league one to the premier league is a bigger risk
  • edited December 2024
    Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre. 
    I've thought the same, but Birmingham did it out of desperation, a bit like Sunderland spending 3m on Will Grigg

    Still; Leaburn's transfer should be higher, not because of where he currently is, but because we should be making teams pay for what he could potentially do

    Everton, you only want him for 5m you say... Oh but what happens if we say no and demand more... Everton then have to ask themselves, that he might go to West Ham a few years later for 8m and relegates them etc... Is it worth throwing the extra 3m now, and potentially avoiding that risk.

    Thats what Premier League sides seemingly do with Youth Players now - They pay over the odds (because they can usually afford it), partly to avoid them losing out to a rival later on down the line... if said youngster starts to actually show potential they might have to spend even more, or lose out to a bigger club.
  • People need to remember that the key controller of the fee won't be our level, the level the club who sign him are at or other fees for players his age, it'll be the contract length. He's got 18 months left on his contract right now and that's only because we inserted an extension clause that we've had to activate. Vultures will already be circling and they will know that at 18 months we're in our safest bargaining position. Every month that passes by reduces the fee a team are willing to pay, and once he gets to 12 months other clubs will be telling us that we can take the fee they offer now or risk losing him abroad for nothing at all from January. We won't risk that, and even if he doesn't want to go abroad bigger teams will happily hold out for a bosman and a compensation fee knowing they're typically lower than what a club would ask for. 

    Can a team at L1 level afford to have said no to £3-4m for a player and then get £1m at tribunal, or nothing at all? Paying that much isn't a big deal for a Premier League team but honestly neither is missing out on him as there are no guarantees and he's not shown the outrageous potential someone like Gomez or Lookman immediately did. He's also fairly injury-prone so they're not going to be held to ransom. I reckon if we do sell Miles be prepared to be disappointed in the fee. The only way we come out of this winning is if we convince him to sign a new deal.
    That’s a fair analysis. So it’s also fair to remind ourselves that in a separate podcast (can’t remember which, not a Charlton one though) CM was banging the drum about getting promising youngsters on longer contracts to minimise the chances of being screwed in the way you describe. In that podcast he was mainly on the hook about Josh Maja and trying to wriggle off it, but by the time he was installed here in summer 23, he had that hard lesson in his head, not to mention a million Netflix streams. 

    So then what did we do about Miles contract? Hindsight may be unhelpful here; the situation was immediately clouded by his double injuries, and we cannot know how this affected the attitude of both sides to the question. Nevertheless, Charlie has his manifesto, lets judge susbsequent decisions  with that in focus. Then nobody can accuse us of being unrealistic, not facing commercial realities, etc
  • edited December 2024
    It's abundantly obvious that Methven is desperate to push the club commercially. The Wrexham game paid witness to that.
    A possible promotion push followed by , albeit a less likely promotion would bring plenty more opportunities for commercial success.
    As things stand, that only happens with a fit and hungry Miles Leaburn.

    Actions speak louder than words were famously said when this lot walked through the door. Let's see.
  • NabySarr said:
    CAFCDAZ said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown. 
    I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests. 
    I don't know of any League 1 player that has sold for £10m. Any idea of the 3rd tier record?  I'd be surprised if it was much more than £3m-£5m. Obviously there are add-ons and other clauses but to think the bottom line is going to be north of £10m is pie in the sky imo. 


    I think just based off these we should definitely be looking at at least £5m 
    Everton managed to double their money on Lookman, despite him hardly playing, shows how easy it is for prem teams to make money out of lower League Clubs.
    Unless he is in form for the rest of the season, I can't see us getting this much for Leaburn. He's still a bit raw for me whilst most of these were the finished package or incredible young talents like Lookman and Alli, which I don't see Leaburn in the same bracket as atm.
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