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Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)
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And if we keep him in January we'll know by the summer whether we're in the Championship or not. If we are, we'll be able to 'afford' to offer him Championship money....... would we then stretch our offer to premier level wages........ I have no idea of either of those numbers but let's say for the argument it happens....... and he has a great first season in the Championship...... I'd imagine the 'premier money' (as an investment) would be easily surpassed by the extra fee we'd eventually get for him.Callumcafc said:Airman Brown said:The fee is only part of the equation. The opportunity for the player will be another part. We have been here many times before.
The club would also need to consider what selling Leaburn in January would do to the team’s immediate prospects (and what they are). A scenario in which we go on a losing run and fall further off the play-offs is very different from one in which we win the next three league games and find ourselves in the top six.
Personally, I think selling Leaburn in January would be extremely damaging, to the club and to the board. If you snuff out hope every time it surfaces don’t be surprised if more people give up on you.
Probably the best post on this subject IMO.
This will be the first big test of this ownership / SMT when it comes to selling a player. Because we will lose him. It’s just a matter of when and for how much.
January feels too soon, especially given the recent run of results. Give him until the end of the season, let him (hopefully) bag another 10-15 goals and his value would skyrocket.I’d like to think we could negotiate a strong deal in the summer with a Premier League side who need to fill homegrown quotas etc.
Even if that pie in the sky happened, would his development be better elsewhere?
Such a lot for him, his parents and his agent (do his parentals represent him?) to consider I'm sure. It would be great if he did the best he could, especially if it coincided with being the best for us for whatever period of time.1 -
AndyG said:Not putting the lad down at all but the figures some are quoting on here is madness. Yes he has potential but that’s what it is ! Potential. I can see a bigger club taking a punt ( maybe Brighton ) but not for anything like the sums being mentioned. Kone the guy yesterday is the same age and attracting interest the same as Miles but not being touted for the money being mentioned on here
And only recently come back from a long term injury, this has to be a consideration for clubs interested. Also, this will reduce the transfer offer.
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I think Leaburn will have good advice around him and the sensible approach is to focus on his game with us for the remainder of the season and review things in the summer.4
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I don't know of any League 1 player that has sold for £10m. Any idea of the 3rd tier record? I'd be surprised if it was much more than £3m-£5m. Obviously there are add-ons and other clauses but to think the bottom line is going to be north of £10m is pie in the sky imo.CAFCDAZ said:
I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests.DubaiCAFC said:Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown.2 -
Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre.7
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Didn’t we sell Lookman for around that? Think it was around £8m rising to £11m if my memory is rightgolfaddick said:
I don't know of any League 1 player that has sold for £10m. Any idea of the 3rd tier record? I'd be surprised if it was much more than £3m-£5m. Obviously there are add-ons and other clauses but to think the bottom line is going to be north of £10m is pie in the sky imo.CAFCDAZ said:
I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests.DubaiCAFC said:Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown.
A lot of inflation since then to take into consideration, but then also Leaburns contract length will bring any fee down. I’d be fuming if we accepted less than £5m in January2 -
and they likely massively overpaidWeegie Addick said:Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre.1 -
golfaddick said:
I don't know of any League 1 player that has sold for £10m. Any idea of the 3rd tier record? I'd be surprised if it was much more than £3m-£5m. Obviously there are add-ons and other clauses but to think the bottom line is going to be north of £10m is pie in the sky imo.CAFCDAZ said:
I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests.DubaiCAFC said:Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown.
I think just based off these we should definitely be looking at at least £5m3 -
UNDISCLOSED does no one know this 😉😆1
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But a week ago his body language was not interested, already on his way, didn't give a toss! I do think we read far too much into players body language.bobmunro said:He was clearly knackered but when he came on the pitch at the end his body language was saying to me 'this is the last time'. I may have been misreading that completely though.I really hope not, but I can see him going in January.10 -
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It’s because Nathan Jones had lost the dressing room……..Kap10 said:
But a week ago his body language was not interested, already on his way, didn't give a toss! I do think we read far too much into players body language.bobmunro said:He was clearly knackered but when he came on the pitch at the end his body language was saying to me 'this is the last time'. I may have been misreading that completely though.I really hope not, but I can see him going in January.14 -
Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?CAFCDAZ said:If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature.
Didn't Shelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?
Signed contract Sept 2009, signed for Liverpool May 2010.2 -
Kap10 said:
But a week ago his body language was not interested, already on his way, didn't give a toss! I do think we read far too much into players body language.bobmunro said:He was clearly knackered but when he came on the pitch at the end his body language was saying to me 'this is the last time'. I may have been misreading that completely though.I really hope not, but I can see him going in January.
The same posters who were wanting Jones sacked after the Crawley game.
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Callumcafc said:
It’s because Nathan Jones had lost the dressing room……..Kap10 said:
But a week ago his body language was not interested, already on his way, didn't give a toss! I do think we read far too much into players body language.bobmunro said:He was clearly knackered but when he came on the pitch at the end his body language was saying to me 'this is the last time'. I may have been misreading that completely though.I really hope not, but I can see him going in January.
For a second time I agree with you.
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Don't think that was Shelvey...Kap10 said:
Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?CAFCDAZ said:If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature.
Didn't Shrelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?0 -
I think it was Carl Jenkinson, before he when to Arsenal.Dazzler21 said:
Don't think that was Shelvey...Kap10 said:
Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?CAFCDAZ said:If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature.
Didn't Shrelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?1 -
Carl Jenkinson was tapped up and Arsenal were caught doing it, which is why we got a better fee.guinnessaddick said:
I think it was Carl Jenkinson, before he when to Arsenal.Dazzler21 said:
Don't think that was Shelvey...Kap10 said:
Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?CAFCDAZ said:If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature.
Didn't Shrelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?11 -
You mean we could get a fine / pay more for the ex Luton players we get 😉🙂Airman Brown said:
Carl Jenkinson was tapped up and Arsenal were caught doing it, which is why we got a better fee.guinnessaddick said:
I think it was Carl Jenkinson, before he when to Arsenal.Dazzler21 said:
Don't think that was Shelvey...Kap10 said:
Would depend on the structure of the deal, basic plus appearances, win bonus, goal bonus, end of season position bonus. Salaries quoted tend to be the maximum possible, rather than a definitive number.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What if we gave him a 10k a week contract for 3 years and his hamstring went again next month?CAFCDAZ said:If he asked for 10k a week, he'd be worth it long term, as what he will command as a fee will more than make up for it. He will be the best academy product we have produced in terms of return imo, there's no one around like him with his record at his age barring Haaland who is a freak of nature.
Didn't Shrelvey sign a contract 3 months before he left to enable the club to get a decent fee, with a release clause?3 -
People need to remember that the key controller of the fee won't be our level, the level the club who sign him are at or other fees for players his age, it'll be the contract length. He's got 18 months left on his contract right now and that's only because we inserted an extension clause that we've had to activate. Vultures will already be circling and they will know that at 18 months we're in our safest bargaining position. Every month that passes by reduces the fee a team are willing to pay, and once he gets to 12 months other clubs will be telling us that we can take the fee they offer now or risk losing him abroad for nothing at all from January. We won't risk that, and even if he doesn't want to go abroad bigger teams will happily hold out for a bosman and a compensation fee knowing they're typically lower than what a club would ask for.Can a team at L1 level afford to have said no to £3-4m for a player and then get £1m at tribunal, or nothing at all? Paying that much isn't a big deal for a Premier League team but honestly neither is missing out on him as there are no guarantees and he's not shown the outrageous potential someone like Gomez or Lookman immediately did. He's also fairly injury-prone so they're not going to be held to ransom. I reckon if we do sell Miles be prepared to be disappointed in the fee. The only way we come out of this winning is if we convince him to sign a new deal.2
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I’d say that usually contract length is the key, but in this instance I think Leaburn can at least hold his value by proving he can stay fit and scoring more goals over the next 6 months. So I’m not sure his value decreases if he does both of those things between now and the summerGarrymanilow said:People need to remember that the key controller of the fee won't be our level, the level the club who sign him are at or other fees for players his age, it'll be the contract length. He's got 18 months left on his contract right now and that's only because we inserted an extension clause that we've had to activate. Vultures will already be circling and they will know that at 18 months we're in our safest bargaining position. Every month that passes by reduces the fee a team are willing to pay, and once he gets to 12 months other clubs will be telling us that we can take the fee they offer now or risk losing him abroad for nothing at all from January. We won't risk that, and even if he doesn't want to go abroad bigger teams will happily hold out for a bosman and a compensation fee knowing they're typically lower than what a club would ask for.Can a team at L1 level afford to have said no to £3-4m for a player and then get £1m at tribunal, or nothing at all? Paying that much isn't a big deal for a Premier League team but honestly neither is missing out on him as there are no guarantees and he's not shown the outrageous potential someone like Gomez or Lookman immediately did. He's also fairly injury-prone so they're not going to be held to ransom. I reckon if we do sell Miles be prepared to be disappointed in the fee. The only way we come out of this winning is if we convince him to sign a new deal.0 -
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Putting aside the fact that Birmingham massively overspent and I doubt you’ll see that sort of money for a L1 player again, it’s hard to compare the two. Stansfield is a few years older but has experience at higher levels (including England youth team recognition) than Miles. I don’t think Stansfield has suffered any serious injuries so far in his career either.Weegie Addick said:Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre.3 -
We were supposedly offered 4m by Brentford for Lyle Taylor with 1 year left on his contract, ie his valueNabySarr said:
I’d say that usually contract length is the key, but in this instance I think Leaburn can at least hold his value by proving he can stay fit and scoring more goals over the next 6 months. So I’m not sure his value decreases if he does both of those things between now and the summerGarrymanilow said:People need to remember that the key controller of the fee won't be our level, the level the club who sign him are at or other fees for players his age, it'll be the contract length. He's got 18 months left on his contract right now and that's only because we inserted an extension clause that we've had to activate. Vultures will already be circling and they will know that at 18 months we're in our safest bargaining position. Every month that passes by reduces the fee a team are willing to pay, and once he gets to 12 months other clubs will be telling us that we can take the fee they offer now or risk losing him abroad for nothing at all from January. We won't risk that, and even if he doesn't want to go abroad bigger teams will happily hold out for a bosman and a compensation fee knowing they're typically lower than what a club would ask for.Can a team at L1 level afford to have said no to £3-4m for a player and then get £1m at tribunal, or nothing at all? Paying that much isn't a big deal for a Premier League team but honestly neither is missing out on him as there are no guarantees and he's not shown the outrageous potential someone like Gomez or Lookman immediately did. He's also fairly injury-prone so they're not going to be held to ransom. I reckon if we do sell Miles be prepared to be disappointed in the fee. The only way we come out of this winning is if we convince him to sign a new deal.
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Weren't they dodgy FFP type transfers?Athletico Charlton said:There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are).
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M
Lewis Dobbin £10M
Omary Kellyman £19M1 -
That's what a (moneybags) League 1 side SPENT. I'm talking about how many League 1 clubs SOLD a player for £5m +. Proper established League 1 club like us, not a Championship side that had just got relegated & needed to ship out players.Weegie Addick said:Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre.1 -
We are getting a little carried away here based on the last 3 times he has played. Before the last 3 matches, he scored 3 in his last 24 and has looked rusty all season. While we know a lot of that is due a slow recovery process from injury, a premier league team is not going to spend 5 million unless they see that there is not recurring injury concerns and he has shown some consistency of play at this level. Premier league teams will take a risk on a young player for between 1-2 million but traditionally they have not spent 5 million on lower league players just given the uncertainty of the step up in quality they will be playing against. Just see the chart someone posted above - it is rare. They will spend those amounts for a young player who has had some level of success in the championship but the step up in quality from league one to the premier league is a bigger risk1
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I've thought the same, but Birmingham did it out of desperation, a bit like Sunderland spending 3m on Will GriggWeegie Addick said:Birmingham of L1 spent £10M - £15M on Stansfield! I’d say Miles is of similar calibre.
Still; Leaburn's transfer should be higher, not because of where he currently is, but because we should be making teams pay for what he could potentially do
Everton, you only want him for 5m you say... Oh but what happens if we say no and demand more... Everton then have to ask themselves, that he might go to West Ham a few years later for 8m and relegates them etc... Is it worth throwing the extra 3m now, and potentially avoiding that risk.
Thats what Premier League sides seemingly do with Youth Players now - They pay over the odds (because they can usually afford it), partly to avoid them losing out to a rival later on down the line... if said youngster starts to actually show potential they might have to spend even more, or lose out to a bigger club.0 -
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Is Miles Leaburn here to save Charlton’s season?
In the ITV4 highlights for December 21st, one statistic from a commentator caught my ear. Well, more than one – it’s a show with an awful lot of stats (and a lot of awful stats) – but one in particular applied to Miles Leaburn. His strike in Charlton’s 5-0 win at Northampton was his fifth goal of the season… and his first league goal in 14 months.
It was a confusing statistic to fit a confusing time for Leaburn. While his long layoff following surgery on his hamstring was well-documented, sidelining the young forward from the end of November 2023 to the start of October 2024, his return was quite quiet.
Starting with his first game back, Leaburn has actually played in 17 of Charlton’s last 19 fixtures, starting 11. He scored in several cup games, but before that win at Northampton, he had played 543 league minutes – six 90s – without contributing a single goal nor assist. The comeback was gradual, as you’d expect after 10 months out. Meanwhile, Charlton’s season continued to meander, the possibility of a play-off place drifting further out of reach. They felt Leaburn’s absence, even with his presence.
As Nathan Jones’ side lumbered unconvincingly on, Leaburn slowly inched his way back not just to full fitness, but full confidence. That time was painful, for everyone, yet it was absolutely crucial. He turned 21 only last month. You cannot rush this recovery. Most of the fanbase showed understandable patience, though a few impatient online Addicks had seemingly decided he would never be the same again; the club clearly disagreed, and extended Leaburn’s contract in October. Then came the visit to Sixfields.
Northampton away: goal, assist, 5-0 win. Cambridge at home: goal, assist, 2-1 win. And now Wycombe at home: goal, goal, 2-1 win. Leaburn became the first Charlton player in nearly a decade to both score and assist in back-to-back league games, then topped it with a brace. After the drought came the flood – six goal contributions in three matches, taking Charlton from the bottom half to just outside the top six.
Both of his goals at the weekend were beautifully taken. First, Leaburn channelled Elastigirl / Mr Fantastic / Plastic Man (take your pick, comic book fans) by twisting himself around Joe Low to get his right foot to a cross and volley it home. Then, running onto a pass between two defenders, starting near a halfway line hand-painted onto a vegetable patch, he raced through on goal but left himself a tighter-than-ideal angle as the keeper came out to meet him. The only way was up. No matter – Leaburn looked up, slowed down and casually started an argument among purists about what constitutes a lob, a dink, a scoop or a chip.
More importantly, that gave Charlton a 2-0 lead over Wycombe, who hadn’t lost a league game since August. They have now, as Richard Kone’s goal proved insufficient. Charlton needed that boost in self-belief. They needed these three consecutive wins – their first hat-trick in all competitions since 2022. They needed Miles Leaburn.
The timing of his re-emergence is arguably inopportune for Nathan Jones et al, with the January transfer window upon us. They’ll hope that potential buyers may harbour just enough doubt about his injury to hold off for now, because for Charlton, Leaburn is not only an asset for this current campaign but he will be worth even more in the summer when he has surely proven again what we saw in 2022 and ’23: that he is a serious young talent. There’ll surely be bids, though, from a club hoping to get in at the ground level before his stalled stock soars once more.
Either way, it’s just good to have Miles Leaburn back. Properly back.
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That’s a fair analysis. So it’s also fair to remind ourselves that in a separate podcast (can’t remember which, not a Charlton one though) CM was banging the drum about getting promising youngsters on longer contracts to minimise the chances of being screwed in the way you describe. In that podcast he was mainly on the hook about Josh Maja and trying to wriggle off it, but by the time he was installed here in summer 23, he had that hard lesson in his head, not to mention a million Netflix streams.Garrymanilow said:People need to remember that the key controller of the fee won't be our level, the level the club who sign him are at or other fees for players his age, it'll be the contract length. He's got 18 months left on his contract right now and that's only because we inserted an extension clause that we've had to activate. Vultures will already be circling and they will know that at 18 months we're in our safest bargaining position. Every month that passes by reduces the fee a team are willing to pay, and once he gets to 12 months other clubs will be telling us that we can take the fee they offer now or risk losing him abroad for nothing at all from January. We won't risk that, and even if he doesn't want to go abroad bigger teams will happily hold out for a bosman and a compensation fee knowing they're typically lower than what a club would ask for.Can a team at L1 level afford to have said no to £3-4m for a player and then get £1m at tribunal, or nothing at all? Paying that much isn't a big deal for a Premier League team but honestly neither is missing out on him as there are no guarantees and he's not shown the outrageous potential someone like Gomez or Lookman immediately did. He's also fairly injury-prone so they're not going to be held to ransom. I reckon if we do sell Miles be prepared to be disappointed in the fee. The only way we come out of this winning is if we convince him to sign a new deal.So then what did we do about Miles contract? Hindsight may be unhelpful here; the situation was immediately clouded by his double injuries, and we cannot know how this affected the attitude of both sides to the question. Nevertheless, Charlie has his manifesto, lets judge susbsequent decisions with that in focus. Then nobody can accuse us of being unrealistic, not facing commercial realities, etc0 -
It's abundantly obvious that Methven is desperate to push the club commercially. The Wrexham game paid witness to that.
A possible promotion push followed by , albeit a less likely promotion would bring plenty more opportunities for commercial success.
As things stand, that only happens with a fit and hungry Miles Leaburn.
Actions speak louder than words were famously said when this lot walked through the door. Let's see.3 -
Everton managed to double their money on Lookman, despite him hardly playing, shows how easy it is for prem teams to make money out of lower League Clubs.NabySarr said:golfaddick said:
I don't know of any League 1 player that has sold for £10m. Any idea of the 3rd tier record? I'd be surprised if it was much more than £3m-£5m. Obviously there are add-ons and other clauses but to think the bottom line is going to be north of £10m is pie in the sky imo.CAFCDAZ said:
I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests.DubaiCAFC said:Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown.I think just based off these we should definitely be looking at at least £5m
Unless he is in form for the rest of the season, I can't see us getting this much for Leaburn. He's still a bit raw for me whilst most of these were the finished package or incredible young talents like Lookman and Alli, which I don't see Leaburn in the same bracket as atm.0
