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Dean Holden - Jan 2024: now assistant manager at Al Ettifaq in Saudi Arabia (p46)

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  • edited February 2023
    Another job thrown up by an agent to put pressure on us to give Holden another contract. It's so transparent at this point and people still lap it up. 

    Honestly from the past couple of games I've seen, I'm not super impressed after the usual new manager bounce. 
  • How many managers in are history have voluntarily resigned and not had another position lined up immediately afterwards, I.e  Karl Robinson & Bowyer etc. 

    Cannot think of any tbh. 
    Curbs? 
  • I think Holden’s agent is working overtime 
  • I don’t know what to think about Holden any more. 
    I do know that Hayes did ok. At least he had a plan when we beat Brighton. 
  • I have been convinced for years that Gareth Ainsworth would move on to QPR next and was surprised he didn't move on before.
    Ainsworth has over achieved at Wycombe and deserves another chance in the Championship. 
    I assume he has turned down jobs before as he was happy at Wycombe.

  • Ainsworth football is awful to watch. Pity any clubs fans that take him on 
    Yes, and he wouldn’t fit QPR’s style of play at all. 
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  • edited February 2023
    JamesSeed said:
    I don’t know what to think about Holden any more. 
    I do know that Hayes did ok. At least he had a plan when we beat Brighton. 
     Yeah. All gone a bit meh on Holden hasn't it.
    Not his fault he's had the rug pulled from under him. But if he'd done his homework on this basket case club over the past decade he'd probably know things turn to shit very quickly.

    Until the whole fabric of the club changes no manager will make a dent.
  • Ainsworth gets the best out of the players at his disposal. 
  • Ainsworth gets the best out of the players at his disposal. 
    Yes, as much as Lee Bowyer got the best out of Jonny Williams  😉
  • JamesSeed said:
    Ainsworth football is awful to watch. Pity any clubs fans that take him on 
    Yes, and he wouldn’t fit QPR’s style of play at all. 
    The classic yo-yo that so many clubs do between managers playing "pure" passing football, and managers who grind out results.

    The other yo-yo is between the young exciting manager (big name newly retired PL player or the highly rated foreign manager) and the safe pair of hands "been there, done it" managers of the Warnock, Big Sam ilk, but also now including experienced foreign managers like Bilic and Benitez.
  • edited February 2023
    You get the feeling it’s Johnnie Jackson all over, people putting pressure on sandgaard to give him a contract but ultimately after the new manager bounce wears off..  he is found wanting. Should just wait until the end of the season cause either way I very much doubt Holden will have a queue of clubs wanting him 
  • Although the bounce may have exaggerated his real abilities, Holden seems like the best we've had since Bowyer, and I doubt we could get anyone better to replace him.

    Therefore we must do what's necessary to keep him. C'mon Sandgaard, this football lark is easy, isn't it?
    Now the season is over it will be very interesting to see our remaining results and performances.
    Holden will not start next season with us.  
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  • edited February 2023
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  • I like Dean, would love him to stay at a more stable CAFC!
  • Scoham said:
    I’m somewhere in the middle with Holden. He’s done well but was always going to be limited in what he can achieve due to this squad. I don’t blame him for not turning us into a top 6 side, we know we don’t have the players for that.

    On his tactics JRS and CBT have to start as our main threats.

    Even if we tried them in a 4-4-2 we don’t have enough strikers to consistently play a front two.

    Therefore we play 4-3-3 knowing only Leaburn can really play as a lone striker and even he’s still developing.

    Holden replacing Garner felt similar to Luzon coming in for Peeters. We went from playing too slowly and taking too many touches to playing faster and a bit more direct. It needed to be done to keep us in this league but it doesn’t tell us how he’d do with his own squad. What would a Holden squad look like and would the style become more direct? We don’t even know if he’d stick with 4-3-3, switch to 3-5-2 or something else.

    On balance I’d stick with him because we can’t keep changing managers. As always what happens next season will mainly be down to our recruitment. Without that no manager has a chance. We’ve signed too many who aren’t good enough and not enough top end L1 players

    Yup. Pretty much this.

    Given how quickly, Sandgaard/ Jackson/ Garner/ Andy Scott went from new dawn to false dawn probably best to wait a little longer on deciding Holden's moniker.

    We've a limited squad with a limited way to play, realistically we have two wingers. And they have to play "inverted". Can't really judge him that well based on what he's working with.  he's shown enough on the football side that he's a dependable pragmatic type, and that'll do fine. Trying to rebrand yourself as the league one Arsenal is great when you have the time and resources to do it but, this is league one, where a pool of 10 teams could make top 6 and another 10 bottom 6. 

    Let's do something crazy and try a bit of stability. 


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