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Dean Holden - July 2025: now assistant manager at Hull City (p48)
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Don’t think it will be a sellChris_from_Sidcup said:
45% gate receipts from a 75k crowd plus (potentially) live sky tv money.The Red Robin said:How are we earning £1m from one game?
Even if we're not on tv then we should be getting at least 600-700k.
out by a long shot .. they have Man City 3 days after so expect a young/ reserve side from United
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I expect their under nines will do the trickRonnieMoore said:
Don’t think it will be a sellChris_from_Sidcup said:
45% gate receipts from a 75k crowd plus (potentially) live sky tv money.The Red Robin said:How are we earning £1m from one game?
Even if we're not on tv then we should be getting at least 600-700k.
out by a long shot .. they have Man City 3 days after so expect a young/ reserve side from United5 -
A shame Ronaldo has gone, as he might have got a game!RonnieMoore said:
Don’t think it will be a sellChris_from_Sidcup said:
45% gate receipts from a 75k crowd plus (potentially) live sky tv money.The Red Robin said:How are we earning £1m from one game?
Even if we're not on tv then we should be getting at least 600-700k.
out by a long shot .. they have Man City 3 days after so expect a young/ reserve side from United1 -
I agree.ISawLeaburnScore said:My main takeaway from his interview quotes so far is he's going to get stuck into the players.
Quite frankly with the application levels and ability to chuck their managers and teammates under the bus for the last few seasons I've seen from this lot, that is absolutely overdue. I don't want him to take it to Bowyer levels but some of our players need a reality check.
What he's like as a tactician and how he is going to cope with our current state of chaos I have absolutely no idea but if he's going to work on player attitude and workrate in his approach then he's got the right initial idea.
Unfortunately, last time Bowyer got "stuck into the players", he made one of them cry and many on CL were outraged and wanted him sacked, (then still can't understand why we beat Millwall once in a blue moon and get brushed aside by most).8 -
I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?15 -
I think there would have been a lot of cynicism around anyone that Sandgaard appointed. I think that's quite understandable.Callumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
If he is a Sangaard appointment isn't 100% clear either way, although I would suspect he isnt.
I am not suprised he hasnt had a heros welcome, everyone is too burnt out for that. I think the personal insults are a bit unjustified but it's the same with everyone, players, coaches etc etc it all gets to personal sometimes.0 -
There is absolutely an argument that some players need more discipline and a more hard line approach WITHOUT going full Bowyer. Its about balance.Covered End said:
I agree.ISawLeaburnScore said:My main takeaway from his interview quotes so far is he's going to get stuck into the players.
Quite frankly with the application levels and ability to chuck their managers and teammates under the bus for the last few seasons I've seen from this lot, that is absolutely overdue. I don't want him to take it to Bowyer levels but some of our players need a reality check.
What he's like as a tactician and how he is going to cope with our current state of chaos I have absolutely no idea but if he's going to work on player attitude and workrate in his approach then he's got the right initial idea.
Unfortunately, last time Bowyer got "stuck into the players", he made one of them cry and many on CL were outraged and wanted him sacked, (then still can't understand why we beat Millwall once in a blue moon and get brushed aside by most).0 -
I’ve always liked Lego hair, I meant it as a compliment…2
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I’m not saying he will get what he wants.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Aren't we restricted by a squad limit and a wages to turnover ratio though?BigDiddy said:Holden will need a lot of new players.
Last night was great, but let’s see what happens over the next month.Despite last night, we are still not good enough in this league.
Earning a million from a trip to Old Trafford will certainly help this seasons turnover but it's not as if we can go out and buy 10 new players is it?
We will obviously sign some players so then i assume we'd also then have to loan out or release contracted players as we're quite close already to the squad limit, unless we sign a bunch of players who are U21.
In any event, what’s the point of hiring a whole new leadership team, including Scott, of we are unable, or cannot afford to make some serious changes to this squad?
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It’s not hatred. Charlton fans are worn out by years of chaos around the club, so its clear that some cynicism existsCallumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
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Not buying that shit.BigDiddy said:
It’s not hatred. Charlton fans are worn out by years of chaos around the club, so its clear that some cynicism existsCallumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
Cynicism is valid for ownership, but it's not fair on the manager. He's been appointed and still has the same shit players to work with, he is however showing signs of a different way to play and we should give him his opportunity to show what he can do with this shit hand before writing him off.9 -
I give you Karel Fraeye.Dazzler21 said:
Not buying that shit.BigDiddy said:
It’s not hatred. Charlton fans are worn out by years of chaos around the club, so its clear that some cynicism existsCallumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
Cynicism is valid for ownership, but it's not fair on the manager. He's been appointed and still has the same shit players to work with, he is however showing signs of a different way to play and we should give him his opportunity to show what he can do with this shit hand before writing him off.0 -
There are always exceptions to the rule.ElfsborgAddick said:
I give you Karel Fraeye.Dazzler21 said:
Not buying that shit.BigDiddy said:
It’s not hatred. Charlton fans are worn out by years of chaos around the club, so its clear that some cynicism existsCallumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
Cynicism is valid for ownership, but it's not fair on the manager. He's been appointed and still has the same shit players to work with, he is however showing signs of a different way to play and we should give him his opportunity to show what he can do with this shit hand before writing him off.Same as if Dave Jones had been appointed had Farnell and Elliot got their way!
From the outside looking in, Holden doesn’t appear to have dodgy links to anyone. Just an honest, decent bloke building a career with the tools he’s been provided.
Maybe he won’t be any good, maybe he’ll be our Alex Ferguson. But let’s not write him off after three days worth of training sessions because you’re (justifiably) upset with Thomas Sandgaard.21 -
Dazzler21 said:
Not buying that shit.BigDiddy said:
It’s not hatred. Charlton fans are worn out by years of chaos around the club, so its clear that some cynicism existsCallumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
Cynicism is valid for ownership, but it's not fair on the manager. He's been appointed and still has the same shit players to work with, he is however showing signs of a different way to play and we should give him his opportunity to show what he can do with this shit hand before writing him off.
Let’s agree to differ.Dazzler21 said:
Not buying that shit.BigDiddy said:
It’s not hatred. Charlton fans are worn out by years of chaos around the club, so its clear that some cynicism existsCallumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
Cynicism is valid for ownership, but it's not fair on the manager. He's been appointed and still has the same shit players to work with, he is however showing signs of a different way to play and we should give him his opportunity to show what he can do with this shit hand before writing him off.
If TS appointed a complete idiot, would you support that manager regardless?
Club is on a downward spiral, so the choice of manager is as important as the choice of players.
If we accept shit, that is what we will get, as has been proved over the last 2 owners and most of the recent managers [I shall exclude Boywer, Powell and JJ, who at least had the club at heart]
I’m not saying that Holden is to blame for anything, but I can say that I don’t think he is good enough based on his record.
Cynicism at the ownership will spill over into who they appoint as manager and I hope in a few months time I will be proven wrong, but sadly, I doubt Holden will halt our decline.
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Not sure Powell, Bowyer and JJs records were that good when appointed as manager but it didn't work out too bad.BigDiddy said:Dazzler21 said:
Not buying that shit.BigDiddy said:
It’s not hatred. Charlton fans are worn out by years of chaos around the club, so its clear that some cynicism existsCallumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
Cynicism is valid for ownership, but it's not fair on the manager. He's been appointed and still has the same shit players to work with, he is however showing signs of a different way to play and we should give him his opportunity to show what he can do with this shit hand before writing him off.
Let’s agree to differ.Dazzler21 said:
Not buying that shit.BigDiddy said:
It’s not hatred. Charlton fans are worn out by years of chaos around the club, so its clear that some cynicism existsCallumcafc said:I am absolutely bemused by some of the hate this bloke is already getting.
How do people go through life with so much unjustified anger towards others?
Cynicism is valid for ownership, but it's not fair on the manager. He's been appointed and still has the same shit players to work with, he is however showing signs of a different way to play and we should give him his opportunity to show what he can do with this shit hand before writing him off.
If TS appointed a complete idiot, would you support that manager regardless?
Club is on a downward spiral, so the choice of manager is as important as the choice of players.
If we accept shit, that is what we will get, as has been proved over the last 2 owners and most of the recent managers [I shall exclude Boywer, Powell and JJ, who at least had the club at heart]
I’m not saying that Holden is to blame for anything, but I can say that I don’t think he is good enough based on his record.
Cynicism at the ownership will spill over into who they appoint as manager and I hope in a few months time I will be proven wrong, but sadly, I doubt Holden will halt our decline.4 -
Four games in: two wins, a draw and an away loss.2
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He's not reinventing the wheel or doing anything revolutionary but seems like he's got the players behind him and that's all he needs to do right now.Callumcafc said:Four games in: two wins, a draw and an away loss.9 -
I didn't know too much about him, but he seems to have turned things around as the players are responding to him. Fair play to the guy. Appears to have something about him3
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What he has above all is a combination of positivity and pragmatism that feels like it's balanced just about right13
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He's got the team playing and battling like a team, rather than 11 individuals8
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He got the team wrong at the start but having now worked out that 433 is our best formation with Jes, Corey & Leaburn up front, we look a lot better.2
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I’ll wait to hear if Seth wants him sacked before I comment14
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I mentioned on the post match thread that I feel he's added some guts and fight, which is the Charlton way.
He's given the defense simple instructions, clear the danger first, then play out if possible, and allowed Fraser to move up the pitch to help the front 3 get more shots on.
Round pegs, round holes. Well done Dean.13 -
I've been impressed with his in game management in the last 2 games4
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He's basically playing Garner's formation.
Good of him to recognise it is the best way to shape this squad after that 3-5-2 travesty.0 -
It’s easy to be upbeat and positive after a win but I warm to him much more than I did Garner. Probably because of the Palace connection I guess but he seems to have more about him.2
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You mean the formation that 90% of the forum wanted ditching for 44 fucking 2?SELR_addicks said:He's basically playing Garner's formation.
Good of him to recognise it is the best way to shape this squad after that 3-5-2 travesty.
If, and it is a big if, you have that front 3 fit it's a no brained. Who are the back ups to them? One goes down the whole thing is out the window.
Nothing wrong with 352 if it means most round pegs in round holes and no kids being thrown to the wolves out of position.5 -
So far I’m quite happy with him and it’s interesting to note a couple of managers have praised him very highly stating he is an excellent coach.Keep going Deano -21
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Strikes me he is an old fashioned kind of gaffer. Back to basics and hard work. So far so good. Still depends on the tools he’s given though.13
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The guy was offered the job, of course he is going to take it, he'll have faith in his own ability, even Mr Fraeye did.
My concern is with who appointed him, as long as the sale goes through, our new owners.
Nobody will tell me otherwise, putting it mildly, there are a lot more people more qualified and experienced.
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