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Dean Holden - July 2025: now assistant manager at Hull City (p48)
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Really starting to warm to him! He is slowly pulling me back in.0
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We’ve got a good one. Bowyer-esque but less of a hot head.1
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Seems a great manager. Arm round Leaburn at half time as required and has us fighting for the shirt.10
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Not afraid to admit I may have been wrong to mug him off prior to his appointment. He's got some fight into our side which has been absent for far too long. Hope it continues.1
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Deserves time now to build his own squad.
Could well be a new manager bounce but feel he's justified giving him the next season to see how far he can go with us.2 -
Tell that to the tactics board 😉.Callumcafc said:We’ve got a good one. Bowyer-esque but less of a hot head.7 -
Wasn't overly excited by Holden's appointment... I dont usually need a name to get me off my seat, but I just couldn't put my finger on it with Dean.
Fair play though, have felt for a while that these players needed snapping in half with some tough love2 -
Bowyer and Jacko apart - I have not taken to any of the multiple managers since Powells appointment - especially intensely disliked the succession of network managers. Then Slade, Robinson, Atkins - meh!Holden is a breath of fresh air though, proper football man - knows the game and not tainted by association with the Belgian goon. Early days of course.4
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I was very skeptical of Holden when he came in. Lower league journeyman and had the feeling of a lower league journeyman coach in the making. He spoke critically of possession football, and that set alarm bells ringing for me given this was a squad largely built for possession football.
But I have been really impressed so far. Not just at the results, which have been really good, and the performances, but at the man management, the tactical tweaks he's made, and how well he comes across in interviews.
It's obviously very early. I had similar concerns about Jacko, particularly how well he would adapt to adversity, and he didn't do that well. But Holden has shown a tactical flexibility that I quite like. Started three teenagers up front today and got a lot out of them.
Long may it continue.8 -
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Garner was excellent at winning possession stats, but not so good at winning football matches.
Holden is taking advantage of Garners input, by working with players who's passing and ball procession has improved, but combined that with his own, no nonsense, more direct style, to actually get wins on the board.
I get the feeling that the planets are aligning at just the right time.
Getting O'Connell back is huge. If we can hang on to Leaburn and Raksaki and add a couple more, we could have an exciting run up into the playoffs.3 -
I'm not getting too carried away yet as i was impressed with how we looked early on under Garner and Jackson. But the signs are definitely promising so far.
2 tough games next though but if we can come through those with 4 points then we can start to believe. Hopefully the injuries to Sess and Kane are not too bad though.2 -
Holden knows more about us, our players, downfalls and youth than I expected him to.0
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More of a manager than Garner who seemed to have more of a focus on coaching. Hopefully he continues to do well
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This is a bunch of absurd gobbledigook. The truth is, he got Leaburn back from injury and asked the defenders to go safety-first if in doubt, while organising our defensive shape a little more carefully. That's it.carly burn said:9 -
I agree Leuth, I don’t think Leaburn is fully fit yet, but having him back has made a big difference, especially with Stockley not scoring goals, and Chuks being out of action again.Leuth said:
This is a bunch of absurd gobbledigook. The truth is, he got Leaburn back from injury and asked the defenders to go safety-first if in doubt, while organising our defensive shape a little more carefully. That's it.carly burn said:0 -
Can’t argue with his results he has achieved so far. Liking how he comes across.3
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Agreed. He's done a good job so far but Curbs was saying decades ago that on a bad run you just go back to the basics. It's not easy (you have to pick up morale and get fed up players to buy into you) but it's simple enough.Leuth said:
This is a bunch of absurd gobbledigook. The truth is, he got Leaburn back from injury and asked the defenders to go safety-first if in doubt, while organising our defensive shape a little more carefully. That's it.carly burn said:
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warming to him but we’ve been here before with jacko ten games and they were done so we’ll see. I think our last two at least jacko and garner maybe 3’s biggest issue is reluctance to change the formation regardless of personnel or performance. He was brave Saturday dropping sc am and cbt
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Swisdom said:
He lives in Cornwall nowGribbo said:Got a feeling Warnock charges a bit of a premium for coming south of Watford.
Proper NorthernerTEL said:
He lives in DevonGribbo said:Got a feeling Warnock charges a bit of a premium for coming south of Watford.
Proper Northerner
I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but even so, living in Devon or Cornwall ain't managing Charlton is it0 -
Leaburn hasn’t scored any in this 3 game winning streak .
Hes been a nuisance but his shooting boots aren’t working currently0 -
oohaahmortimer said:Leaburn hasn’t scored any in this 3 game winning streak .Hes been a nuisance but his shooting boots aren’t working currentlyGet Stockley back in?0
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Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?13 -
When we next got Plymouth?7
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I think only Sandgaard was saying that tbh.AFKABartram said:Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?0 -
So the lessen is that we need to keep sacking managers! Give them 10 games, then get rid of them once the new manager bounce has stoppedAFKABartram said:Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
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And strategically plan everything around Plymouthkillerandflash said:
So the lessen is that we need to keep sacking managers! Give them 10 games, then get rid of them once the new manager bounce has stoppedAFKABartram said:Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?3 -
That’s just not true mate, everybody was impressed at a similar .4-5 games in. Read the bottom half of this page which covered this period, or the Plymouth post match threadcarly burn said:
I think only Sandgaard was saying that tbh.AFKABartram said:Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/94039/next-manager-ben-garner-confirmed-p256/p281
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/94569/post-match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-plymouth-argyle-tuesday-16th-august-2022/p1
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This is true and he isn't the finished article but the system with him and the two wide players does pose a threat and this is something we haven't done enough of recently. Having said that, what will be interesting in the context of this season is when we play a crap team that parks the bus. To be fair to Lincoln, they didn't so we haven't come up against one of those yet under Holden. Sort that out and it will look extremely positive.oohaahmortimer said:Leaburn hasn’t scored any in this 3 game winning streak .
Hes been a nuisance but his shooting boots aren’t working currently0
