Dean Holden - July 2025: now assistant manager at Hull City (p48)

killerandflash

Davo55 said:

Have I missed official confirmation of Dean Holden';s new contract? I saw Rich Cawley's tweet yesterday but nothing on the official website. Announcing just before kick off today?

Gary Lineker will announce it on MOTD tonight 

killerandflash

ozaddick said:

follett said:

Only at Charlton could a manager get a contract extension after going 6 hours without scoring. 

I like Holden and under the circumstances will take him. I just don't really see him as much of an improvement on Garner but realistically under current ownership no manager is going to thrive.

Phil Parkinson topped Holden's record by a country mile when we made him permanent! 

I see dean as a good motivator, his 'people' skills are really good. 

A pundit on the podcast 'not the top 20' seems to think he's not a tactical manger, and he's good for the initial bounce, but then results fade away, and I can't argue with that, with what we've seen. 

So if dean does get the job, he has to bring in a number 2 who fills the weaknesses in Dean's managerial aptitude. 

I do enjoy his willingness to understand the club, he wants the affiliation with the fans, I also believe he needs to 'get us' as some of us are saying, to do a better job. 

Lastly, it really does come down to squad quality and depth, and that, without outside investment or a takeover, will derail his time here, like the ones before him. 

We now have a coaching vacancy, so it will be interesting who Holden brings in. I remember the slight surprise here when Jacko brought in Skiverton, rather than someone higher up the pyramid, but he had Jason Euell as well.

SELR_addicks

https://twitter.com/CAFCofficial/status/1634564984129699841

sam3110

Summer 2026 signed, sealed and delivered 

LargeAddick

Hopefully good news. Hopefully new ownership coming. Hopefully will get backing in the summer. If not then nothing will change.

killerandflash

Wasn't expecting such a long deal. Have zero expectations that he will survive 3 years!

stonemuse

terrific news

Redmidland

I'm pleased he has signed and pleased at 3 years, now we just need a new owner who will back him!

ForeverAddickted

0-4 loss coming up today then

ForeverAddickted

Great news... Especially after his comments @ Woolwich Barracks the other day, when talking about pre-season

FishCostaFortune

At least gives the impression of long term continuity which will help with player recruitment and contract renewals moving forwards.

Whether the correct mechanisms are in place to actually make use of this are a different story though. 

Callumcafc

Congrats Dean. Hope you can lead us to a promotion during your tenure. 👍

AndyG

We need a total rebuild and giving the manager a long term contract hopefully is the 1st step. He can now start planning for next season. 

KBslittlesis

This must mean that some investment (be new owners or new investors) is incoming?

I’m delighted, I really like the cut of his jib 👍🏼

Scoham

KBslittlesis said:

This must mean that some investment (be new owners or new investors) is incoming?

I’m delighted, I really like the cut of his jib 👍🏼

Thought the same. Spiegel/Storrie group? There's nothing to suggest Spiegel is wealthy enough to be doing it alone.

ForeverAddickted

Scoham said:

KBslittlesis said:

This must mean that some investment (be new owners or new investors) is incoming?

I’m delighted, I really like the cut of his jib 👍🏼

Thought the same. Spiegel/Storrie group? There's nothing to suggest Spiegel is wealthy enough to be doing it alone.

Still hoping its the Lens bloke - Doesnt mean Storrie doesnt have other connections though

MarcusH26

ForeverAddickted said:

Scoham said:

KBslittlesis said:

This must mean that some investment (be new owners or new investors) is incoming?

I’m delighted, I really like the cut of his jib 👍🏼

Thought the same. Spiegel/Storrie group? There's nothing to suggest Spiegel is wealthy enough to be doing it alone.

Still hoping its the Lens bloke - Doesnt mean Storrie doesnt have other connections though

This is what I'm hoping too , Spiegel on his own with his circa $100m isn't going to be enough to push forward, but if someone like the Lens owner is involved then I could see that happening 

sinceiwasyoung

Not a fan of Holden as a manager  , but his heart is in the right place. 

Exiled_Addick

Seems a lovely fella, no doubt about that, but once the honeymoon period passed what had actually improved under him? Certainly not any of our players, our defending, or our attacking.

All sorts of problems at the club that would hamper any manager, but personally, putting aside any sentiment about his individual likeableness, I’d have liked to see a few more signs he has a plan to fix this before he got a new contract. Right now he still seems more a cheap/available option than a best man for the job option. 

Cafc43v3r

I think some have got the wrong end of the stick, it's a contract until just before half 8 this evening.

thenewbie

Exiled_Addick said:

Seems a lovely fella, no doubt about that, but once the honeymoon period passed what had actually improved under him? Certainly not any of our players, our defending, or our attacking.

All sorts of problems at the club that would hamper any manager, but personally, putting aside any sentiment about his individual likeableness, I’d have liked to see a few more signs he has a plan to fix this before he got a new contract. Right now he still seems more a cheap/available option than a best man for the job option. 

Fair points but realistically just how much improvement is it possible to get? This is a midtable team full of midtable players, and will almost certainly end up in midtable.

Guardiola or Ferguson couldn't get promotion with this lot.

Exiled_Addick

thenewbie said:

Exiled_Addick said:

Seems a lovely fella, no doubt about that, but once the honeymoon period passed what had actually improved under him? Certainly not any of our players, our defending, or our attacking.

All sorts of problems at the club that would hamper any manager, but personally, putting aside any sentiment about his individual likeableness, I’d have liked to see a few more signs he has a plan to fix this before he got a new contract. Right now he still seems more a cheap/available option than a best man for the job option. 

Fair points but realistically just how much improvement is it possible to get? This is a midtable team full of midtable players, and will almost certainly end up in midtable.

Guardiola or Ferguson couldn't get promotion with this lot.

Any team of professional players should be much better at the basics than we are. Team shape, defending set pieces, denying the opposition space. If I was seeing progress on those fundamentals then I’d be happier. 

Cafc43v3r

Exiled_Addick said:

thenewbie said:

Exiled_Addick said:

Seems a lovely fella, no doubt about that, but once the honeymoon period passed what had actually improved under him? Certainly not any of our players, our defending, or our attacking.

All sorts of problems at the club that would hamper any manager, but personally, putting aside any sentiment about his individual likeableness, I’d have liked to see a few more signs he has a plan to fix this before he got a new contract. Right now he still seems more a cheap/available option than a best man for the job option. 

Fair points but realistically just how much improvement is it possible to get? This is a midtable team full of midtable players, and will almost certainly end up in midtable.

Guardiola or Ferguson couldn't get promotion with this lot.

Any team of professional players should be much better at the basics than we are. Team shape, defending set pieces, denying the opposition space. If I was seeing progress on those fundamentals then I’d be happier. 

Doesn't this comeback, again, to recruitment?  

We have got quite a few players that are, by league 1 standards, outrageously talented which is the main reason they are professional footballers.  The reason they are league 1 players is because they can't/won't do the things you suggest.  

They are also wildly inconsistent and we have far, far too many of them.

Exiled_Addick

Cafc43v3r said:

Exiled_Addick said:

thenewbie said:

Exiled_Addick said:

Seems a lovely fella, no doubt about that, but once the honeymoon period passed what had actually improved under him? Certainly not any of our players, our defending, or our attacking.

All sorts of problems at the club that would hamper any manager, but personally, putting aside any sentiment about his individual likeableness, I’d have liked to see a few more signs he has a plan to fix this before he got a new contract. Right now he still seems more a cheap/available option than a best man for the job option. 

Fair points but realistically just how much improvement is it possible to get? This is a midtable team full of midtable players, and will almost certainly end up in midtable.

Guardiola or Ferguson couldn't get promotion with this lot.

Any team of professional players should be much better at the basics than we are. Team shape, defending set pieces, denying the opposition space. If I was seeing progress on those fundamentals then I’d be happier. 

Doesn't this comeback, again, to recruitment?  

We have got quite a few players that are, by league 1 standards, outrageously talented which is the main reason they are professional footballers.  The reason they are league 1 players is because they can't/won't do the things you suggest.  

They are also wildly inconsistent and we have far, far too many of them.

Yes, of course that is part of it. But any manager who gets promoted from League 1, at any club, is going to have to do it with a large contingent of “League One players”. Successful managers will be able to coach the talented ones to do more of the dirty stuff and the less talented ones to play above themselves. 

I’m not saying it’s easy or Holden is a poor manager. No one will get us promoted with this squad. No one. But, also, poor players haven’t been the only reason we’ve become quagmired in this division.

If I could see a little bit of improvement in one or two players, or if our defensive shape had improved a bit, just some glimmer of a plan and hope that things might eventually improve if Holden is backed, I’d be more hopeful. 

Overall the certainty of knowing he’s tied to the club is probably better than the uncertainty of the short term deal, I just can’t get excited about the news. It all feels a bit like when Phil Parkinson went from caretaker to permanent manager. 

KettsJohn

Great news. Last thing we need is another change of manager. A change of ownership is what we need. A decent owner that is what we need. TS I think has been worse than Roland. Hope that something happens in the summer. We deserve so much better. 

Croydon

I like him, but I do find it a bit mad that he's got a long term deal off the back of 5 games without a win

Jac_52

Croydon said:

I like him, but I do find it a bit mad that he's got a long term deal off the back of 5 games without a win

I'm finding it very hard to still like him tbh. Let's hope he has a plan for next year and can actually deliver on it.

SELR_addicks

Parkinson version 2.0.

Redmidland

Jac_52 said:

Croydon said:

I like him, but I do find it a bit mad that he's got a long term deal off the back of 5 games without a win

I'm finding it very hard to still like him tbh. Let's hope he has a plan for next year and can actually deliver on it.

He needs support in the transfer window. If he doesn't get it, then he is hamstrung.

Hovi's Biscuit

Seems like a top bloke, but maybe not really that good. As a fanbase I think the Roland era has inured us to mediocrity