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January Transfer Window - Jan 2023 (Deadline Day starts page 112)
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Football is a funny old game.
Up until today the window was going as decent as I could have expected it would do for owner looking to get out, with us at least focusing on addressing where the glaring holes in our squad were - and not by bringing in a Nile John or Juan Castillo type player.
However all of a sudden with EOC going and the lack of bringing in that extra attacking option it feels like we are still short of players and are an injury or youth player drop in form away from really struggling.3 -
Hector hasn't been injured though has he? He was a back up player in his last year at Fulham. Its not a JFC case where he had a serious injury and hadn't played afterwards.LargeAddick said:Just gotta hope that Ness (10 games under his belt) and Inniss (injury prone or red card prone) can stay fit and out of trouble otherwise it's a toss up between two crocked players to replace either. This window COULD come back to haunt us.5 -
Can someone ask Thomas if we've still got a top four budget?22
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He’s finally getting his revenge.BansteadAddick said:So Holden tells us how Bolton have been building a team for 2 years and that is why they have beaten us so easily. So what is our plan? No plan except cut the wage bill amd hope we stay up. Then no players in the summer so we build again.
Andy Scott was a really crap journey man footballer, a really crap manager and now in whatever role he has at our club he is a liar and a really crap Director of football.
Methven may have seen more Charlton matches live than me recently and have some dreadful plans for our club but whatever happens I will always have the memory of him looking so angry as we lifted the L1 play off final trophy.0 -
Saturday showed the gap between us and a decent playoff team, the sort of gap which you can't close in January.cafcfan1990 said:
Then you've got the wrong end of the stick. Like everyone else, I'm not content with being 14th and want better but we can't do that with Sandgaard at the club. The window could have been better but it could have been worse. We've got AMB, Ness, Dobson, Fraser, CBT and Leaburn at the club. We've got some decent players, even if the squad is a little thin and reliant on those mentioned to stay fit.supaclive said:@cafcfan1990It's not been a disaster. I agree!But we are 14th in Division 3It isn't where we should be in the natural hierarchy of clubs in this country.That is my problem.We appear to accept being shit and we shouldn't complain because we've "not had a bad window"
We've hardly had a good one!
This window will not determine the future. We exit this window in a much better position than when we entered it (results wise). We all want better but this month was never going to achieve that. Until we get a new owner, this is what we're going to experience. If Sandgaard is here in the summer, we're going to be in the shit because we're going to lose some key players and replace them with dross. That's my point today, that hasn't happened. We're brought in Bonne to replace Stockley, not Leaburn. Kilkenny is replacing McGrandles, not Dobson.
The time to be concerned will be the summer, because that is what is going to impact how we fare next season, not today.
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The point is that Sandgaard gets a bit of cash from the permanent sales and someone else pays wages (or a portion of) for some of the rest. He cuts his losses a bit before washing his hands of the club. That was ALWAYS the point this window and if Sandgaard had any role in appointing Scott, that's exactly what he'd have wanted him to do.CharltontillidieCOYR said:
A bigger squad than this is what i meant ! as we have now a small squad with players that are VERY injury prone so YES we do need biggerthenewbie said:
No its not. Its really, really not. A BETTER squad is what we needed. A more balanced squad. Problem is, we still do, as is always the case under Sandgaard. The only player who is an actual loss is O'Connell. Every single one of those others was not good enough this season and wouldn't miraculously become so in time for the next one.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Im worried the few wins recently changed there way of thinking and the potential for a relegation scrap
think there delusional
A bigger squad is what we needed!
Is the squad very thin? Yes, definitely. Do we need to strengthen, YET AGAIN in the summer? Also yes.
BUT.
That was the case well before today's events anyway. But if Sandgaard wants out (which he clearly does) then players were always going to be sold not bought. Bloating a squad full of dreck and fluff with yet more dreck and fluff wouldn't help at all.
what the point of now having it like this and having to throw youngsters in that arent ready
yes some of the players that have gone werent the best but rather them to fill a gap here and there
Lack of replacements and shit recruitment is the issue !!!!
Yes it fucks over the club in the longer term, yes it means summer wil be more of the same old churn, yes it means we're clearly aiming for plain old survival this season at best... but that's a feature not a bug. Sandgaard doesn't give a shit about what happens in the summer. He wants to fuck off with as money left as he can manage. That's it.
None of this, at all, is a "mistake" or "bad planning" from him - it's exactly what he wanted. Not what the fans want, but that's really NOT the point.6 -
Is that the first window for a long time we haven't sold one of our younger talents ?
It feels like it.
Another positive is it will be easier to find a peg in the changing room tomorrow !
Not even square pegs.
Daniel Kanu and Deji its time to take your U18 form to the first team squad now. At 18 and 19 you must be ready for the mediocre 3rd tier.
DJ should Probably have been pulled at the same time as Edwards deal broke down but maybe JJ turned off his phone !
Players out the side are always our best players accordingly to many fan/critics.
We needed a cull and got a cull and other than O'Connell who has jumped on the Wrexham bandwagon, Andy Scott made a difference this window by carrying out TS remit. The 18 will be made up of some youngsters who aren't shite players.
Players that have been noted by scouts from many clubs.
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@cafcfan1990We need 10 new players for next season now, maybe less Kirk and Lavelle who may return as they're in contract.If you think anybody other than TS has had a good transfer window, we're all buggered.Anybody interested in buying Charlton will work out we are bottom half of Division 3, losing say £4m not £6m a year but needing at least 8-12 decent players to make a fist of potentially getting promoted.
In the last month only TS has improved their situation. Not CAFC. Not us fans.6 -
I'll give it the next 5 matches, and then judgement shall be passed.
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When was the last time we paid a fee for a player ?
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No money spent is the real body blow but I'm glad to see the deadwood turfed out. O'Connell the only surprise departure but he wasn't that great imo. Now a big opportunity for the youngsters to push on. Let's see how good AMB, Ness, Henry, Campbell and Leaburn are. Kanu probably not this season. Plus we really need Bonne to bang in some goals. Maybe we'll get proper investment in the Summer.2
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Manchester City have 19 in their squad (according the Sky Sports transfer window show this evening).CharltontillidieCOYR said:Im worried the few wins recently changed there way of thinking and the potential for a relegation scrap
think there delusional
A bigger squad is what we needed!
[Edit: Now hearing it's 24]1 -
So it's not really changed though has it? If you'd have asked me this time last week how we be successful next season, I'd have said we need a new owner and about 9/10 new players. Now we need a new owner and 10/11 new players. The situation hasn't changed. Even if we had signed a couple of quality players today on 2.5 year deals, we'd still need a new owner and several new players in the summer. That's my point. I don't think anybody interested in buying Charlton three days ago will now walk away because of who we've lost today.supaclive said:@cafcfan1990We need 10 new players for next season now, maybe less Kirk and Lavelle who may return as they're in contract.If you think anybody other than TS has had a good transfer window, we're all buggered.Anybody interested in buying Charlton will work out we are bottom half of Division 3, losing say £4m not £6m a year but needing at least 8-12 decent players to make a fist of potentially getting promoted.
In the last month only TS has improved their situation. Not CAFC. Not us fans.
I agree it's been good for Sandgaard, hence the need to get him out to make progress. Flogging Lavelle, DJ and Kirk wasn't a bad thing, they're not good enough.11 -
A unique and slightly disappointing window.
But we kept our key players such as Leaburn and Dobson and hopefully improved our 2 weakest areas, getting in Kane & Penney as full backs & Bonne in for Stockley.
Not one player that played on Saturday has left.
I'm not inclined to think that we will be relegated.
Assuming that disaster doesn't happen, the real point is who will buy the club (if anyone) and will they be able to move us forward?
The "deadwood" has been removed so a buyer with means is now well placed to do a Chrissy Powell/Varney summer window, but will we be well placed or will we be potless?
The rest such as we have NO players left is just noise.22 -
That's five windows in a row we haven't improved. Again. This just isn't acceptable to me.If we all give up because we have a shit owner what is the point in being a fan?Accept the unacceptableBecause it could be worse?No thanks8
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Ok, Apols, but you said ‘you do not have hector not having played in over 6 months, inniss a complete calamity and Thomas who is utter garbage as the only options at centre back.’000__Jaaaaay__000 said:
Please expand on this… I go home and away. This short decent run we have been on won’t make me forget the disgraceful performances inniss has churned over the past two years. I purposely left out ness as he isn’t in the same category as the other three and his position is safe this season.JamesSeed said:
Been to many games recently?000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Just want to check up on them people who got on peoples back for not being happy with all the out goings ? Deadwood or not, you do not have hector not having played in over 6 months, inniss a complete calamity and Thomas who is utter garbage as the only options at centre back.
Well, they’re not the only options, as someone else pointed out.Inniss, barring his misplaced header v Bolton, has played very well since Holden had a word about keeping it simple. Does he make mistakes? Yes, which is why someone with his obvious assets is playing in League One. Thomas has hardly played, so utter garbage is harsh imho.
Just seems like there’s Window Slamming Shut fever around at the moment, and people end up going on tilt.2 -
Terrell Thomas IS shit
Which is why he's hardly played when we've had no bloody defenders!1 -
Embarrassing, Holden has lost credibility tonight! The club couldn’t muster a comment, utter shambles. We are lighter in all areas.8
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in addition to Hector you mean?msomerton said:Are there any out of contract has been players
That have been sitting on their backside who they can sign to make it look like a big transfer window2 -
so what has he been doing since last May?Cafc43v3r said:
Hector hasn't been injured though has he? He was a back up player in his last year at Fulham. Its not a JFC case where he had a serious injury and hadn't played afterwards.LargeAddick said:Just gotta hope that Ness (10 games under his belt) and Inniss (injury prone or red card prone) can stay fit and out of trouble otherwise it's a toss up between two crocked players to replace either. This window COULD come back to haunt us.1 -
We’ve given away three players we paid a fee for - Kirk, DJ, Lavelle. On loan yes but when would you ever see that at Div 3 level?
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He’ll spill the beans on [Disney +] in a few weeks.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't think Scott's job was to jog a few on and discover Bonne, unless he pulled the wool over someone's eyes. Gallen could have done that.AFKABartram said:
Might not be strictly ‘commission’ but I’d love to see the KPIs in his contract as I assume what he was paid was linked to certain short term deliverablesWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Andy Scott must be on commission….getting all them off of the books, including fees for a couple, and not spending a penny…great work
We haven't unearth any undiscovered gems nor have we negotiated any bank busting sales.
I firmly believe he was here to work out who was an asset, who was a liability, who needed replacing, who was worth investing in, how much it would cost to put together a promotion winning squad with what was left.
If we had sold Dobson, Leaburn etc I would get the "asset stripping" POV but other than EOC, and I suspect the truth will never come out on that one, everyone that left needed to go.
The incomings are all adequate league 1 players, probably more so than most of our summer signings and certainly more so than last winter. All be it they are short term fixes, but with the ownership situation up in the air that's not surprising.2 -
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Very poor January. 3 out of 10. Only player I'd be interested in seeing playing is Kilkenny, but not likely to go much between now & the end of the season. 2 fit strikers & an injury away (to both up front & in defence) from having to play a youngster or a half fit player. Not what I pay £500 a year for. If you're happy with that then great, but I'm not.
It's not who we let go but who we didnt bring in to replace them. As @supaclive has said, 10-12 players have to be replaced in the summer, and that doesn't count the likes of Leaburn & Dobson who could be off then too.
We are gradually get worse as every season goes by. Not getting better. Worse. One summer we wont strengthen well enough (maybe this one when the "new owners" decide they haven't got a pot to piss in) and we will get relegated.
We've been lied to & it's not good.8 -
Can’t work out if it’s the negativity or the window that’s getting me down. Probably both.Should be used to it by now.Goodnight.3
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But you said you were leaving! 😉golfaddick said:Very poor January. 3 out of 10. Only player I'd be interested in seeing playing is Kilkenny, but not likely to go much between now & the end of the season. 2 fit strikers & an injury away (to both up front & in defence) from having to play a youngster or a half fit player. Not what I pay £500 a year for. If you're happy with that then great, but I'm not.
It's not who we let go but who we didnt bring in to replace them. As @supaclive has said, 10-12 players have to be replaced in the summer, and that doesn't count the likes of Leaburn & Dobson who could be off then too.
We are gradually get worse as every season goes by. Not getting better. Worse. One summer we wont strengthen well enough (maybe this one when the "new owners" decide they haven't got a pot to piss in) and we will get relegated.
We've been lied to & it's not good.1 -
People on twitter/facebook saying Sandgaard is as bad as ESI are irritating.4
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Cafc43v3r said:
We have used the most players in the EFL! How big do you want.CharltontillidieCOYR said:Im worried the few wins recently changed there way of thinking and the potential for a relegation scrap
think there delusional
A bigger squad is what we needed!
On Sky they said we had used 32 players this season; that must include the cups.
Most in the EFL, we definitely needed a cull.
And 7 of the 8 players going I agree with. And even the eighth we would've received an OTT price as Wrexham were desperate for a CB; unfortunately not desperate enough to go for Lavelle or Thomas but EOC who most of us wanted to keep.
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