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  • On paper I would have tongue over Robinson but isn't headingly more suited to robinson than tongue?
  • edited July 2023
    Root is no longer captain and I would tell him he's got to bat at three rather than throw an inexperienced youngster in at three. 
    With over 100 Test matches to his name it makes more sense than making Brook play there.
  • Tongue got key wickets, including Smith twice.

    Robinson cleaned up the tail for his.

    Tongue should be playing, IMHO.
    Robinson has:

    Warner, Khawaja, Cummins, Lyon, Green, Labuschagne, Lyon, Hazlewood, Green, Carey. 6 of his 10 wickets very much batsman and Cummins has also proved pretty hard to remove this series too.
  • On paper I would have tongue over Robinson but isn't headingly more suited to robinson than tongue?
    Tongue got key wickets, including Smith twice.

    Robinson cleaned up the tail for his.

    Tongue should be playing, IMHO.
    Tongue is out, Woakes, Wood & Ali are in .. The Ashes 2023: England pick Mark Wood, Chris Woakes and Moeen Ali for third Test - BBC Sport

    Mistake ? .. as ever we will see .. hope Robinson gets a 15 wicket haul
  • Root is no longer captain and I would tell him he's got to bat at three rather than throw an inexperienced youngster in at three. 
    With over 100 Test matches to his name it makes more sense than making Brook play there.
    the Times on Monday quoted Root as saying he'd go in at 3 .. I suspect the 'management' want to keep him at 4 so when he comes in (very) hopefully the ball is a bit tattered
  • Tongue got key wickets, including Smith twice.

    Robinson cleaned up the tail for his.

    Tongue should be playing, IMHO.
    Robinson has:

    Warner, Khawaja, Cummins, Lyon, Green, Labuschagne, Lyon, Hazlewood, Green, Carey. 6 of his 10 wickets very much batsman and Cummins has also proved pretty hard to remove this series too.
    And Tongue got Warner twice, Smith twice, Khawaja....

    Anyway, hope it's the right call now it's confirmed!!
  • Tongue got key wickets, including Smith twice.

    Robinson cleaned up the tail for his.

    Tongue should be playing, IMHO.
    Robinson has:

    Warner, Khawaja, Cummins, Lyon, Green, Labuschagne, Lyon, Hazlewood, Green, Carey. 6 of his 10 wickets very much batsman and Cummins has also proved pretty hard to remove this series too.
    And Tongue got Warner twice, Smith twice, Khawaja....

    Anyway, hope it's the right call now it's confirmed!!
    Oh I agree its harsh on Tongue. But Robinson's economy is 2.69 whereas Tongue is 3.60. They might just want the control especially as Wood will likely go for runs with the extra pace.
  • Tongue got key wickets, including Smith twice.

    Robinson cleaned up the tail for his.

    Tongue should be playing, IMHO.
    Robinson has:

    Warner, Khawaja, Cummins, Lyon, Green, Labuschagne, Lyon, Hazlewood, Green, Carey. 6 of his 10 wickets very much batsman and Cummins has also proved pretty hard to remove this series too.
    And Tongue got Warner twice, Smith twice, Khawaja....

    Anyway, hope it's the right call now it's confirmed!!
    Oh I agree its harsh on Tongue. But Robinson's economy is 2.69 whereas Tongue is 3.60. They might just want the control especially as Wood will likely go for runs with the extra pace.
    Good points...and bowlers need to be rested - particularly Anderson with Old Trafford looming - (although Aussie quickies probably put in more of a shift than usual so will be interesting who they rest). Is the batting line up stronger though with Brook being promoted to 3?
  • Chizz said:

    Love that, especially as the original photo was taken just round the corner from Lords in Abbey Road. 
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  • Going to need some serious bazball and an aussie team up for a result given the dodgy weather forecast
  • Weird how Broad has gone from batting 8 in the last test to batting 11 in the released lineup in this test. I get moving below Woakes and Ali, depending on the situation Wood could be above him but no way does Robinson move above him on recent form.

  • Weird how Broad has gone from batting 8 in the last test to batting 11 in the released lineup in this test. I get moving below Woakes and Ali, depending on the situation Wood could be above him but no way does Robinson move above him on recent form.

    Robinson batted well in the first Test tbf!
  • Mike said:
    Going to need some serious bazball and an aussie team up for a result given the dodgy weather forecast
    Forecast doesn't look too bad overall.
    Might lose a couple of sessions, but I really don't think it's that bad looking at the met office forecast.
  • Brook at 3 sounds dubious. If part of the reason for having 5 bowlers PLUS Stokes is because he's knackered after that long spell at Lord's, then surely Stokes if he's going to be playing as a batsman should move up the order himself, not hide at 6. He's good enough to play at 3.
  • Brook at 3 sounds dubious. If part of the reason for having 5 bowlers PLUS Stokes is because he's knackered after that long spell at Lord's, then surely Stokes if he's going to be playing as a batsman should move up the order himself, not hide at 6. He's good enough to play at 3.
    We are perhaps forgetting that before Bairstow's injury the clamour in the public and media was for Brook to come in as an opener. I think he even said in an interview he was okay with that. Obviously its different for someone desperate to get into a team compared to someone already established in the side. But its still some kind of proof that management view Brook as a top order option.
  • Brook at 3 sounds dubious. If part of the reason for having 5 bowlers PLUS Stokes is because he's knackered after that long spell at Lord's, then surely Stokes if he's going to be playing as a batsman should move up the order himself, not hide at 6. He's good enough to play at 3.
    We are perhaps forgetting that before Bairstow's injury the clamour in the public and media was for Brook to come in as an opener. I think he even said in an interview he was okay with that. Obviously it's different for someone desperate to get into a team compared to someone already established in the side. But it's still some kind of proof that management view Brook as a top order option.
    I think you are over thinking it. It's obvious why brook is going on at 3. He lost the game of scissor-paper-stone
  • One of the most obviously wrong 3rd umpire decisions I've ever seen in the WT20 just now. In England's favour mind 
  • Leuth said:
    One of the most obviously wrong 3rd umpire decisions I've ever seen in the WT20 just now. In England's favour mind 
    No. Took an age because it was inconclusive. I thought it was probably out, but not an obviously wrong decision.
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  • edited July 2023
    Here's a question. Do the stumps light up on contact with them or when the bail is dislodged to break a contact. I'm guessing it's the first, in which case when the stumps light up is not necessarily the guide to when the wicket is broken, although I suspect it is.
  • swordfish said:
    Here's a question. Do the stumps light up on contact with them or when the bail is dislodged to break a contact. I'm guessing it's the first, in which case when the stumps light up is not necessarily the guide to when the wicket is broken, although I suspect it is.

    The bails are powered by hidden low voltage batteries. They each contain a microprocessor that detects when contact between the bails and the stumps has been broken. The bails are illuminated within 1/1000th of a second. They can be vibrated, knocked, rained upon, but will only flash when both ends are completely dislodged from the stumps, The microprocessors then send a radio signal to the stumps which also light up.
  • Leuth said:
    One of the most obviously wrong 3rd umpire decisions I've ever seen in the WT20 just now. In England's favour mind 
    If you mean the potential run out, it was pretty much impossible to tell, so it was right to go with the on-field umpire’s original decision. 
  • MrOneLung said:
    Whoever decided the women should play the 4 point test match first should be shot. 
    For such an extreme sanction, a bit of explanation is surely necessary.


  • Rain due about 10am 
  • edited July 2023
    MrOneLung said:
    Whoever decided the women should play the 4 point test match first should be shot. 
    For such an extreme sanction, a bit of explanation is surely necessary.
    Because a seven game series could be decided in three with the points system, making four of no consequence. Now, it could be over in four wth three to play. Why not increase the chances of a competitive series finale by having the test last?

    Edit - I agree shooting is an excessive sentence 
  • Rumours that Mitch Marsh might be in for Green.

    Also wouldn't be surprised at Boland for Hazelwood.
  • England win the toss and bowl
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