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Somethings Got To Change Thomas?

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  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,157
    I feel like a Scotland football fan must 
    no hope,  following a complete load of shit who lose for fun and the only enjoyment I get is supporting whoever the scum or palace are playing 

  • UEAAddick
    UEAAddick Posts: 512
    Cafc43v3r said:
    This administration is going no where, time to find another buyer, if you don’t want to put your hand in your pocket Thomas.
     Best thing for us I think.
    Can you explain how we get there though?  Because I honestly don't see a path to it.

    I can see a path to liquidation, but not administration, and never have been able to, even under ESI2.  Maybe I am missing something.

    Back to the OP, if TS still owns the majority of the club at the start of next season, we will get relegated.
    Teams that have gone into administration always haven't come out the other side well. Bury for one, although that was also liquidation too.

    Leeds and Portsmouth went into troubles twice after going into administration. I'm sure it happened to Leeds twice.  Palace had problems for 10 yrs and went into admin twice.

    It's not a case as easy as we will go into administration and come out the other side OK, just because some clubs have. When some other clubs haven't, or at least took them a long while to sort the problems from it.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    swordfish said:
    Can anyone seriously imagine that in less than five months from now we'll have a promotion challenging squad assembled because I can't. These things take time and each day that passes the chances of that happening recede. I'm nearly an old aged pensioner you know!
    I think it is possible if things fall into place in the right way. Not sure they will happen if his owner stays though. He is beyond clueless. We need a bit of football logic and continuity with the manager.
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,812
    swordfish said:
    Can anyone seriously imagine that in less than five months from now we'll have a promotion challenging squad assembled because I can't. These things take time and each day that passes the chances of that happening recede. I'm nearly an old aged pensioner you know!
    I think it is possible if things fall into place in the right way. Not sure they will happen if his owner stays though. He is beyond clueless. We need a bit of football logic and continuity with the manager.
    Why aren’t you sure?! 🤔
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    UEAAddick said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    This administration is going no where, time to find another buyer, if you don’t want to put your hand in your pocket Thomas.
     Best thing for us I think.
    Can you explain how we get there though?  Because I honestly don't see a path to it.

    I can see a path to liquidation, but not administration, and never have been able to, even under ESI2.  Maybe I am missing something.

    Back to the OP, if TS still owns the majority of the club at the start of next season, we will get relegated.
    Teams that have gone into administration always haven't come out the other side well. Bury for one, although that was also liquidation too.

    Leeds and Portsmouth went into troubles twice after going into administration. I'm sure it happened to Leeds twice.  Palace had problems for 10 yrs and went into admin twice.

    It's not a case as easy as we will go into administration and come out the other side OK, just because some clubs have. When some other clubs haven't, or at least took them a long while to sort the problems from it.
    I know that and am not advocating for it.  I don't see how we can get into administration when the only, serious, creditors are Thomas and in a way Roland.  Much more likely IMO for it to be sold for £1 again. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    We're forever stuck back in the unresolved problems of ten or more years ago .. first of all, who is going to spend a few million on buying and developing CAFC, just the name alone and not including the property that is associated with the brand, i.e. The Valley and Sparrows Lane ..

     London is 'over clubbed'  especially since the rise of Brentford and the resurgence at Fulham .. even a biggish club like West Ham with their owners mere multi millionaires can't compete with the billionaires at Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and indeed Fulham ..  I am loath to make the probably valid point that CAFC, like (e.g.) QPR are destined to be floating around the Championship and League One for a long time
    In my time as an Addick supporter/follower, since 1962/63, a mere 60 years, CAFC has spent far more time as a struggling, occasionally  excelling football club .. times with great managers and owners have allowed us to have a few wonderful seasons. However, these great times occurred before the advent of billions of pounds being invested usually by foreigners in 'big name' clubs and the consequent ever increasing gap between the haves and have nots. I can't see any way that a fairy godinvestor is going to drag us out of the have not zone. We need some longish term stability with management AND owner and the patience for a (if necessary) slow rebuild. Anyone dreaming of an overnight rebirth and team rebuild at CAFC is seriously deluded.
    Beware if Sandy pulls the plug and decides enough is enough, he's spent enough, IF IF that happens, we will be drop so far down that even God and the Taxman won't be able to find us
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    swordfish said:
    Can anyone seriously imagine that in less than five months from now we'll have a promotion challenging squad assembled because I can't. These things take time and each day that passes the chances of that happening recede. I'm nearly an old aged pensioner you know!
    I think it is possible if things fall into place in the right way. Not sure they will happen if his owner stays though. He is beyond clueless. We need a bit of football logic and continuity with the manager.
    Why aren’t you sure?! 🤔
    Well I think we could get lucky with Kanu and Leaburn next season as an example. But we need a lot of luck and Sandgaard will probably sell one of them anyway.
  • buckshee
    buckshee Posts: 7,867
    He should be giving Tony Bloom a call and asking for advice, the job he’s done at Brighton is fantastic from top to bottom. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,587
    We'll have Lavelle, Kirk and DJ back next season. It'll be like 3 new signings...
    Don’t forget McGrandles too.
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  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,258
    I saw the Stranglers live last night. probably the best I've seen them and yes, they played 'Somethin' better change'. Sadly, they omitted the logical intro to the song.

    'Any Charlton fans here tonight? This one's for you guys....'
  • MrBurns
    MrBurns Posts: 1,289
    edited March 2023
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  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,707
    We'll have Lavelle, Kirk and DJ back next season. It'll be like 3 new signings...
    Nah - you're not getting away with that, that's too horrific to consider and now I'll never unsee it
    Thanks a bundle
     :'(:s  
  • TimAddick
    TimAddick Posts: 216
    We're forever stuck back in the unresolved problems of ten or more years ago .. first of all, who is going to spend a few million on buying and developing CAFC, just the name alone and not including the property that is associated with the brand, i.e. The Valley and Sparrows Lane ..

     London is 'over clubbed'  especially since the rise of Brentford and the resurgence at Fulham .. even a biggish club like West Ham with their owners mere multi millionaires can't compete with the billionaires at Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and indeed Fulham ..  I am loath to make the probably valid point that CAFC, like (e.g.) QPR are destined to be floating around the Championship and League One for a long time
    In my time as an Addick supporter/follower, since 1962/63, a mere 60 years, CAFC has spent far more time as a struggling, occasionally  excelling football club .. times with great managers and owners have allowed us to have a few wonderful seasons. However, these great times occurred before the advent of billions of pounds being invested usually by foreigners in 'big name' clubs and the consequent ever increasing gap between the haves and have nots. I can't see any way that a fairy godinvestor is going to drag us out of the have not zone. We need some longish term stability with management AND owner and the patience for a (if necessary) slow rebuild. Anyone dreaming of an overnight rebirth and team rebuild at CAFC is seriously deluded.
    Beware if Sandy pulls the plug and decides enough is enough, he's spent enough, IF IF that happens, we will be drop so far down that even God and the Taxman won't be able to find us
    I agree with you. There are a few  ancedotes I will share.

    When we were in the Prem there was an article about us (think it was the guardian), in which the journalist described us as an unfashionable club.that really riled. What he was implying was we were not  Manu or Arsenal.

    In 2002 I went to the largest sports shop in Melbourne Australia. Plenty of football shirts for Barcelona, Juventus etc. Lots of the big prem clubs but non for CAFC.
    A sales assistant asked if he could help. When I asked for a Charlton shirt. He said he had never heard of us. I did buy 2 shirts when I visited UK in 2003.

    Last year I was listening to our ABC (like BBC). There main football commentator was talking to a guest commentator who was asked if he followed a club in UK. Answer was Charlton athletic. Response was,never heard of them are they in the premiership. This was coming from a so called expert.

    Unfortunately we are doomed to mediocracy unless some multi billionaire is happy to spend big, get us to prem, get us into Europe and consistently finish top four.
    If that happens then will will cease to be unfashionable with lots of phoney plastic glory seeking fans. Cannot ever seeing it happen though.


  • EveshamAddick
    EveshamAddick Posts: 7,019
    Looking at how this season may yet play out if we are on the wrong end of some of these relegation 6 pointers coming up, it feels a bit inevitable that TS is about to guide us to our lowest finish ever. That could mean taking us down to League 2 if we’re not careful.
  • JFo
    JFo Posts: 24
    I know we all want TS to “f**k off”, and that’s all very well, but he needs to sell to a responsible buyer who genuinely has the club’s best interests at heart, otherwise we are destined to repeat the tortuous vicious cycle we are in.
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,315
    JFo said:
    I know we all want TS to “f**k off”, and that’s all very well, but he needs to sell to a responsible buyer who genuinely has the club’s best interests at heart, otherwise we are destined to repeat the tortuous vicious cycle we are in.
    He doesn't care about our best interests, only priority for him is to keep part of the pie. 

    We need to roll the dice though, we are dying under him. 
  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,882
    J BLOCK said:
    JFo said:
    I know we all want TS to “f**k off”, and that’s all very well, but he needs to sell to a responsible buyer who genuinely has the club’s best interests at heart, otherwise we are destined to repeat the tortuous vicious cycle we are in.
    He doesn't care about our best interests, only priority for him is to keep part of the pie. 

    We need to roll the dice though, we are dying under him. 
    Not sure 🤔 what part of the pie that is worth keeping ? Maybe keeping an interest with money as loans to the club or its the only way that the Duchatelet Valley / Sparrow’s Lane overvaluation is maintained ?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    I saw the Stranglers live last night. probably the best I've seen them and yes, they played 'Somethin' better change'. Sadly, they omitted the logical intro to the song.

    'Any Charlton fans here tonight? This one's for you guys....'
    Never a frown with Stevie Brown
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  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,587
    I saw the Stranglers live last night. probably the best I've seen them and yes, they played 'Somethin' better change'. Sadly, they omitted the logical intro to the song.

    'Any Charlton fans here tonight? This one's for you guys....'
    Never a frown with Stevie Brown
    Funny, I would have said the complete opposite... ;)
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,384
    vff said:
    J BLOCK said:
    JFo said:
    I know we all want TS to “f**k off”, and that’s all very well, but he needs to sell to a responsible buyer who genuinely has the club’s best interests at heart, otherwise we are destined to repeat the tortuous vicious cycle we are in.
    He doesn't care about our best interests, only priority for him is to keep part of the pie. 

    We need to roll the dice though, we are dying under him. 
    Not sure 🤔 what part of the pie that is worth keeping ? Maybe keeping an interest with money as loans to the club or its the only way that the Duchatelet Valley / Sparrow’s Lane overvaluation is maintained ?
    I imagine he’s hoping new owners are successful with us on the pitch resulting in him selling his remaining shares for a profit. Also being able to say he was part of the board that turned the club around.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    TimAddick said:
    We're forever stuck back in the unresolved problems of ten or more years ago .. first of all, who is going to spend a few million on buying and developing CAFC, just the name alone and not including the property that is associated with the brand, i.e. The Valley and Sparrows Lane ..

     London is 'over clubbed'  especially since the rise of Brentford and the resurgence at Fulham .. even a biggish club like West Ham with their owners mere multi millionaires can't compete with the billionaires at Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and indeed Fulham ..  I am loath to make the probably valid point that CAFC, like (e.g.) QPR are destined to be floating around the Championship and League One for a long time
    In my time as an Addick supporter/follower, since 1962/63, a mere 60 years, CAFC has spent far more time as a struggling, occasionally  excelling football club .. times with great managers and owners have allowed us to have a few wonderful seasons. However, these great times occurred before the advent of billions of pounds being invested usually by foreigners in 'big name' clubs and the consequent ever increasing gap between the haves and have nots. I can't see any way that a fairy godinvestor is going to drag us out of the have not zone. We need some longish term stability with management AND owner and the patience for a (if necessary) slow rebuild. Anyone dreaming of an overnight rebirth and team rebuild at CAFC is seriously deluded.
    Beware if Sandy pulls the plug and decides enough is enough, he's spent enough, IF IF that happens, we will be drop so far down that even God and the Taxman won't be able to find us
    I agree with you. There are a few  ancedotes I will share.

    When we were in the Prem there was an article about us (think it was the guardian), in which the journalist described us as an unfashionable club.that really riled. What he was implying was we were not  Manu or Arsenal.

    In 2002 I went to the largest sports shop in Melbourne Australia. Plenty of football shirts for Barcelona, Juventus etc. Lots of the big prem clubs but non for CAFC.
    A sales assistant asked if he could help. When I asked for a Charlton shirt. He said he had never heard of us. I did buy 2 shirts when I visited UK in 2003.

    Last year I was listening to our ABC (like BBC). There main football commentator was talking to a guest commentator who was asked if he followed a club in UK. Answer was Charlton athletic. Response was,never heard of them are they in the premiership. This was coming from a so called expert.

    Unfortunately we are doomed to mediocracy unless some multi billionaire is happy to spend big, get us to prem, get us into Europe and consistently finish top four.
    If that happens then will will cease to be unfashionable with lots of phoney plastic glory seeking fans. Cannot ever seeing it happen though.


    good, interesting post .. here outside London if/when conversation comes round to football and 'what club do you support ?' .. 'Charlton' I reply, there is usually a blank stare back, 'was that Chelsea ?' is a common response. Proper football fans of course know us, but as I mentioned, in overclubbed London, the names Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham are almost household names, even Millwall are known for their notoriety .. also as mentioned, I grew up following the always struggling Addicks and never expected much, the odd great season was OK for me, t b h I was more interested in the performances of the teams I played for.
    Perhaps the more recent fans, say from the Curbishley era expect more, as (once more) I typed above, that was an exceptional time in CAFC history and not a regular occurrence.
    Sandy hasn't got the money to 'make us great' and I can't see us being sold to a billionaire benefactor.
    I M O the reality is follow CAFC and enjoy the (rare ?) good times, endure the rubbish times and if that isn't good enough for you, then find something better to do with your time and money
  • Charlton_Road_James
    Charlton_Road_James Posts: 335
    edited March 2023

    good, interesting post .. here outside London if/when conversation comes round to football and 'what club do you support ?' .. 'Charlton' I reply, there is usually a blank stare back, 'was that Chelsea ?' is a common response. Proper football fans of course know us, but as I mentioned, in overclubbed London, the names Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham are almost household names, even Millwall are known for their notoriety .. also as mentioned, I grew up following the always struggling Addicks and never expected much, the odd great season was OK for me, t b h I was more interested in the performances of the teams I played for.
    Perhaps the more recent fans, say from the Curbishley era expect more, as (once more) I typed above, that was an exceptional time in CAFC history and not a regular occurrence.
    Sandy hasn't got the money to 'make us great' and I can't see us being sold to a billionaire benefactor.
    I M O the reality is follow CAFC and enjoy the (rare ?) good times, endure the rubbish times and if that isn't good enough for you, then find something better to do with your time and money

    Yeah I get that a lot, funnily enough I was in Thailand a few years ago buying some football shirts in one of the local markets. The fella asked me "who I supported" I said Charlton. He knew exactly who we were and started quoting players like Romadahl, Bent, Murphy, even Smertin!! Out there they just strike me as massive Premier League fans & they've been watching it since it started. Generally though I have to repeat who I support three times, even then I don't think they know who I mean 
  • 1968CAFC
    1968CAFC Posts: 577
    I think it’s so sad that our wonderful historic Football Club seems to attract Egotistical wankers with no serious financial structure.
    his idea or Masterplan about running our Club
    is equal to his Musical prawese…F—King Zero 👎👎
  • 1968CAFC
    1968CAFC Posts: 577
    SANDGUARD OUT ………👌👌👌👌👌
  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,187
    Perhaps we should vocalise our feelings on Saturday.
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,414
    Perhaps we should vocalise our feelings on Saturday.
    Please can we not. Sandgaard is a god compared to some of the previous owners.
  • ads
    ads Posts: 3,224
    Perhaps we should vocalise our feelings on Saturday.
    Please can we not. Sandgaard is a god compared to some of the previous owners.
    That's a low bar though isn't it