Methven said himself that he didn’t want to be involved in the day to day running of the club, that he realised that it wasn’t one of his strengths, that’s why Scott is here, to run the footballing side. Yes, it will take a while to turn the club around but 3 managers and the lowest finish since 1926 is a woeful performance. We could not buy a win towards the end of Appleton’s reign. We looked certain to go down. We’re led to believe the owners personally intervened with the recruitment of Jones, and just before that Scott failed to secure a deal to keep one of our better players and club captain at the club. A player that Jones seems to rate highly. It’s rubbish to say we offered Dobbo what he wanted, if they’d done that he would’ve signed, the fans are not stupid. A utterly miserable first full season in charge, littered with bad decisions but Scott has to own it, he’s in charge, we can’t make excuses for him. We hear messages from the SMT via posters here that they are learning, that’s worrying when we were told the SMT were supposed to be the professional option after Sandgaard’s family thinking it was like playing FIFA. But despite the calamitous season Scott is still here, explaining how he’s still involved in player decisions. Other clubs wouldn’t have been so accommodating, he would’ve been fired long ago.
Methven has a terrible record of involvement in football, we were warned about this, everything he touches seems to turn to crap, and he is still here too. If Jones is to achieve anything next season I think it will be in despite of these two. Jones has in the past been guilty of accepting jobs where the odds were stacked against him succeeding (Stoke and Southampton). I sincerely hope he hasn’t done the same with Charlton.
a fair chunk of our shitshow of a season is having to deal with the train wreck left to them by multiple irresponsible and incompetent previous owners. Cuts to budgets and staffing and pruning of the scouting network by successive regimes (Chapple left because Roland Rat ignored him and listened to poxy Mowgli and NightMeire) meant we had to slip into the merky waters of damaged goods with injury records/players on the way down long before Scott arrived.
Both those incompetent owners managed to do better than this lot have so far. In what is a remarkably weak league this year, this team have overseen our worst season in 98 years. How do you take over from such 'incompetent' owners and manage to do worse than them?
I agree that Dutchatelet cut every department to the bone - but let's not forget that it was Sandgaard left to pick up the pieces. He reinvested into the infrastructure, particularly in rebuilding the medical and coaching departments and redeveloped the training ground (in the failed attempt to gain category one status). Before him, I think the player's gym was in a tent. He still finished higher up the league than this gang.
So he inherited far worse, and yet did better. This current SMT have walked into a club with a more stable infrastructure and yet managed to perform worse than both Sandgaard and Dutchatelet.
Think the playing squad alone was a train wreck inherited that hamstrung us. Legacy contracts we had to/couldn't shift and/or had to loan out the majority of (Kirk/McGrandles x2 loans/DJ x2 loans/Payne/Fraser/O'Connell etc). Sandgaard bought the portercabins from Reading, but allegedly didn't get enough coaches and support staff to gain Cat 1 (the whole politics of not wanting to give a L1 club Cat 1 status is another debate). Then they're was the culture (or lack thereof) that was documented with allegations of bullying and constructive dismissals etc.
Certain parts of the fanbase have said numerous times that they would accept (almost welcome) relegation to aid the removal of whatever Mickey Mouse operation was currently doing us wrong and not looking after the club with the correct amount of care, attention and support. It is possible to judge last season as our lowest point and we would've been in SERIOUS trouble if we haven't got NJ in. If we had gone down then they're would have been zero chance of getting Jones, and we would've probably slipped even further.
People saying 'just words' and 'actions matter' are correct. If we don't get players in early, have a professional and productive preseason that puts the club in the right place to sustain a credible promotion campaign, then you can bet Jones/the ownership will do something about it. Think the SMT definitely know that what has gone on before is unacceptable, they know it's not good enough for the fan base and the owners and ultimately their own positions. Jones is no mug, neither are the owners. None of them would've signed up for this (Jones' reputation has already taken a battering from Stoke/Southampton) if they didn't believe in the club and the journey we need to go on.
I agree with much of what you say but would add that if I was buying a company I would do proper diligence (these guys seemed to). For a football team that would have included assessing the existing player base. This lot paid £12M for the Charlton brand and squad (assets all still owned by RD). Any fan could have told them they needed to set aside enough to pay off Kirk/Aneke and enough to subsidise loan wages of DJ, McG, Payne etc.
The issue was the SMT persuaded the owners to overpay for an empty box and then tried to run it on a shoestring and when they couldn't had to get the begging bowl out.
Scott must have been a big part of the existing player DD prior to purchase.
Methven said himself that he didn’t want to be involved in the day to day running of the club, that he realised that it wasn’t one of his strengths, that’s why Scott is here, to run the footballing side. Yes, it will take a while to turn the club around but 3 managers and the lowest finish since 1926 is a woeful performance. We could not buy a win towards the end of Appleton’s reign. We looked certain to go down. We’re led to believe the owners personally intervened with the recruitment of Jones, and just before that Scott failed to secure a deal to keep one of our better players and club captain at the club. A player that Jones seems to rate highly. It’s rubbish to say we offered Dobbo what he wanted, if they’d done that he would’ve signed, the fans are not stupid. A utterly miserable first full season in charge, littered with bad decisions but Scott has to own it, he’s in charge, we can’t make excuses for him. We hear messages from the SMT via posters here that they are learning, that’s worrying when we were told the SMT were supposed to be the professional option after Sandgaard’s family thinking it was like playing FIFA. But despite the calamitous season Scott is still here, explaining how he’s still involved in player decisions. Other clubs wouldn’t have been so accommodating, he would’ve been fired long ago.
Methven has a terrible record of involvement in football, we were warned about this, everything he touches seems to turn to crap, and he is still here too. If Jones is to achieve anything next season I think it will be in despite of these two. Jones has in the past been guilty of accepting jobs where the odds were stacked against him succeeding (Stoke and Southampton). I sincerely hope he hasn’t done the same with Charlton.
a fair chunk of our shitshow of a season is having to deal with the train wreck left to them by multiple irresponsible and incompetent previous owners. Cuts to budgets and staffing and pruning of the scouting network by successive regimes (Chapple left because Roland Rat ignored him and listened to poxy Mowgli and NightMeire) meant we had to slip into the merky waters of damaged goods with injury records/players on the way down long before Scott arrived.
Both those incompetent owners managed to do better than this lot have so far. In what is a remarkably weak league this year, this team have overseen our worst season in 98 years. How do you take over from such 'incompetent' owners and manage to do worse than them?
I agree that Dutchatelet cut every department to the bone - but let's not forget that it was Sandgaard left to pick up the pieces. He reinvested into the infrastructure, particularly in rebuilding the medical and coaching departments and redeveloped the training ground (in the failed attempt to gain category one status). Before him, I think the player's gym was in a tent. He still finished higher up the league than this gang.
So he inherited far worse, and yet did better. This current SMT have walked into a club with a more stable infrastructure and yet managed to perform worse than both Sandgaard and Dutchatelet.
Think the playing squad alone was a train wreck inherited that hamstrung us. Legacy contracts we had to/couldn't shift and/or had to loan out the majority of (Kirk/McGrandles x2 loans/DJ x2 loans/Payne/Fraser/O'Connell etc). Sandgaard bought the portercabins from Reading, but allegedly didn't get enough coaches and support staff to gain Cat 1 (the whole politics of not wanting to give a L1 club Cat 1 status is another debate). Then they're was the culture (or lack thereof) that was documented with allegations of bullying and constructive dismissals etc.
Certain parts of the fanbase have said numerous times that they would accept (almost welcome) relegation to aid the removal of whatever Mickey Mouse operation was currently doing us wrong and not looking after the club with the correct amount of care, attention and support. It is possible to judge last season as our lowest point and we would've been in SERIOUS trouble if we haven't got NJ in. If we had gone down then they're would have been zero chance of getting Jones, and we would've probably slipped even further.
People saying 'just words' and 'actions matter' are correct. If we don't get players in early, have a professional and productive preseason that puts the club in the right place to sustain a credible promotion campaign, then you can bet Jones/the ownership will do something about it. Think the SMT definitely know that what has gone on before is unacceptable, they know it's not good enough for the fan base and the owners and ultimately their own positions. Jones is no mug, neither are the owners. None of them would've signed up for this (Jones' reputation has already taken a battering from Stoke/Southampton) if they didn't believe in the club and the journey we need to go on.
I agree with much of what you say but would add that if I was buying a company I would do proper diligence (these guys seemed to). For a football team that would have included assessing the existing player base. This lot paid £12M for the Charlton brand and squad (assets all still owned by RD). Any fan could have told them they needed to set aside enough to pay off Kirk/Aneke and enough to subsidise loan wages of DJ, McG, Payne etc.
The issue was the SMT persuaded the owners to overpay for an empty box and then tried to run it on a shoestring and when they couldn't had to get the begging bowl out.
Scott must have been a big part of the existing player DD prior to purchase.
He would have been asked to assess the squad we had and how close it was to promotion level. He massively over-estimated what we had
He was also behind hiring Holden and Appleton
The recruitment of players and managers did improve from January onwards though, so I have some hope that with an improved budget and manager, our recruitment will continue to improve
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
And all the very poor loan signings.
And all the "we've gone through a vigorous recruitment process but hired the guy the manager already knew."
He's not the devil but neither is he blameless for last season.
Quite a lot of changes in personnel, sounds like people Nathan has worked with before, I guess when he came in, it was 50/50 whether we’d stay up, now we’re on the promotion hunt, it makes sens, to bring in his own team.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
I mean, we just had our worst season for 96 years and he is our Director of Football. It's hardly surprising fans don't hold him in the highest regard.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
And all the very poor loan signings.
And all the "we've gone through a vigorous recruitment process but hired the guy the manager already knew."
He's not the devil but neither is he blameless for last season.
Yes well that's a tried & tested retort as in
"& Michael was the stand out candidate." Possibly tying with Karel Fraeye as the worst manager in living memory. Would be interesting to know who else they interviewed for the head coaches job at the time.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
NJ is taking jabs at him publicly in his interviews
Scott's been marginalised by the board to a lesser role with less control
His managerial appointments / recruitment left us in a relegation battle
Doesn't exactly scream someone doing a great service
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
NJ is taking jabs at him publicly in his interviews
Scott's been marginalised by the board to a lesser role with less control
His managerial appointments / recruitment left us in a relegation battle
Doesn't exactly scream someone doing a great service
To be fair, this bit is only speculation I think. Jones has mentioned no names but it's assumed that Scott was being referred to but it might not be.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
I'm not sure that's a fair comment on the appointments he's made. If you're talking exclusively about managers/head coaches then fair enough, but if you're talking about all of his appointments, I think that would have to include Curtis Fleming, James Brayne and Will Abbott as well.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
But its every other signing under his tenure as well isn't it? Coventry is possibly the only player he's brought in who u might want in the first team?
There were the jabs over how the Dobson situation was handled and the assessment made of his ability.
Then after the Bolton game he said this about Docherty: "Well I’ve got people inside the club who don’t think he can play as an eight – it’s lucky I make my own decisions!"
Obviously he's not going to name Scott outright, and could be talking about someone else, but the hints are there - because who else could potentially be making football decisions over NJ?
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
But its every other signing under his tenure as well isn't it? Coventry is possibly the only player he's brought in who u might want in the first team?
Of the XI that started against Bolton, only Campbell wasn't signed during Scott's tenure as Technical Director.
People can write off the more recent signings as "Jones's players" if they want, but of the players in that starting XI, only Luke Berry had ever actually played under him before. Otherwise it's just a lot of speculation and hearsay as to who gets the credit.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
But its every other signing under his tenure as well isn't it? Coventry is possibly the only player he's brought in who u might want in the first team?
Of the XI that started against Bolton, only Campbell wasn't signed during Scott's tenure as Technical Director.
People can write off the more recent signings as "Jones's players" if they want, but of the players in that starting XI, only Luke Berry had ever actually played under him before. Otherwise it's just a lot of speculation and hearsay as to who gets the credit.
I have nothing against Scott personally and thought he was going to be good when he came in. He speaks well, has been in the game a long time etc etc but i'm quite satisfied that his recruitment has been well below par until NJ has come in, who is appointed as Manager, as opposed to head coach. The difference is obvious.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
But its every other signing under his tenure as well isn't it? Coventry is possibly the only player he's brought in who u might want in the first team?
Gillesphey is currently holding his place in the starting line-up well enough. I do like REG as well.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
But its every other signing under his tenure as well isn't it? Coventry is possibly the only player he's brought in who u might want in the first team?
Gillesphey is currently holding his place in the starting line-up well enough. I do like REG as well.
Gillesphey is recognised by many i speak with as being the weak link and reg can't get in the side
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
But its every other signing under his tenure as well isn't it? Coventry is possibly the only player he's brought in who u might want in the first team?
Gillesphey is currently holding his place in the starting line-up well enough. I do like REG as well.
Gillesphey is recognised by many i speak with as being the weak link and reg can't get in the side
REG can't get in the side as the defence is playing well, not sure that makes him a bad signing ? If you have a weak link in the defence you don't stop a team like Bolton only having two tame shots at goal and keeping 3 clean sheets in a row. Both Jones and Gillesphey are looking stronger this season and Ramsey could be an astute signing.
Must have been someone else as I didn't see any devil horns on him and he spoke about all the background work he's been overseeing over the Summer. Almost like he was never the villain he was portrayed to be.
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
Because in all the appointments he's made, the only one that we can see that has been any good is Nathan Jones - and now he's here, what is Scott doing? And if he's doing stuff NJ isn't doing,what's Rodwell doing? I've also been reliably informed by a few academy players that they all think he's a complete bellend. He might be brilliant but i can only form an opinion based on what i,ve seen and heard.
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
But its every other signing under his tenure as well isn't it? Coventry is possibly the only player he's brought in who u might want in the first team?
Gillesphey is currently holding his place in the starting line-up well enough. I do like REG as well.
Gillesphey is recognised by many i speak with as being the weak link and reg can't get in the side
I agree about Gillesphey, still far from convinced about him.
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I agree with much of what you say but would add that if I was buying a company I would do proper diligence (these guys seemed to). For a football team that would have included assessing the existing player base. This lot paid £12M for the Charlton brand and squad (assets all still owned by RD). Any fan could have told them they needed to set aside enough to pay off Kirk/Aneke and enough to subsidise loan wages of DJ, McG, Payne etc.
The issue was the SMT persuaded the owners to overpay for an empty box and then tried to run it on a shoestring and when they couldn't had to get the begging bowl out.
Scott must have been a big part of the existing player DD prior to purchase.
He was also behind hiring Holden and Appleton
The recruitment of players and managers did improve from January onwards though, so I have some hope that with an improved budget and manager, our recruitment will continue to improve
Aside from the one horrendous decision to appoint Appleton, I have never really understood the vitriol towards him.
And all the "we've gone through a vigorous recruitment process but hired the guy the manager already knew."
He's not the devil but neither is he blameless for last season.
I mean, we just had our worst season for 96 years and he is our Director of Football. It's hardly surprising fans don't hold him in the highest regard.
Related to him are you?
"& Michael was the stand out candidate." Possibly tying with Karel Fraeye as the worst manager in living memory. Would be interesting to know who else they interviewed for the head coaches job at the time.
https://www.charltonafc.com/video/player/0_hah9wuqc
Scott's been marginalised by the board to a lesser role with less control
His managerial appointments / recruitment left us in a relegation battle
Doesn't exactly scream someone doing a great service
Once the Appleton appointment turned into a nightmare, Andy Scott who had owned the interview process with MA became the new panto villain at CAFC.
In my experience of talking to academy players or their dads (not only at CAFC) it's only the lads and their dads who have been released who sometime talk like that about who ever they think has made the decision which at CAFC wouldn't be Andy Scott despite being part of the process with the academy coaches.
I don't see a problem with both Scott and Rodwell as ex Pro footballers and CEO and COO and other titles being both involved. Better than the Amateurs we have had in the recent decade involved.
The problem for Andy Scott is the Appointment of Appleton and George Dobson not getting the contract that was surely deserved is parked at his door and when you have no credit it will need cafc being contenders not just after 3 games but that the whole infrastructure is fit for purpose in 2024.
I would still like Scott to admit that MA was a bad fit for CAFC and he got it wrong; I won't hold my breath.
Everything else I won't quibble with.
Then after the Bolton game he said this about Docherty: "Well I’ve got people inside the club who don’t think he can play as an eight – it’s lucky I make my own decisions!"
Obviously he's not going to name Scott outright, and could be talking about someone else, but the hints are there - because who else could potentially be making football decisions over NJ?
People can write off the more recent signings as "Jones's players" if they want, but of the players in that starting XI, only Luke Berry had ever actually played under him before. Otherwise it's just a lot of speculation and hearsay as to who gets the credit.
REG can't get in the side as the defence is playing well, not sure that makes him a bad signing ?
If you have a weak link in the defence you don't stop a team like Bolton only having two tame shots at goal and keeping 3 clean sheets in a row.
Both Jones and Gillesphey are looking stronger this season and Ramsey could be an astute signing.