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Charlton Athletic v Bristol Rovers | Tuesday 15 August 2023 | Match Preview

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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    1-0 Charlton. Corey Cuts in and May slides in at the back post and nets his first of his 4000 goals this season. 
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    Braziliance said:
    Bristol Rovers haven't managed to keep a clean sheet so far in their first 3 competitive fixtures, so it will be rather telling if we can't manage manage to score...

    I think if we are to win this we need at least 2-3 goals as I can't see us keeping a clean sheet, we have lost 2 on the trot to these lot and in the last 5 managed 2 wins ourselves. I am gonna say 2-1 or 3-2 but I am leaning (more hoping) towards 2-1 as I can't see us scoring 3 goals in a game yet, particularly against a decent side like Bristol Rovers. Got these down as my dark horse for play-offs. 

    I think the 352/532 is promising, but I would like use to use it and chuck our best players available at the game. I would have Hector closest to Asiimwe's side cause I think the young lad is gonna need an experienced head nearby to deal with a dangerous Aaron Collins, I would also keep Camara nearer that side and have him covering the wing. Thomas gets the nod over Ness for me, just think he's looked decent so far and imagine Ness could do with a bit of a break, need Jones for what will be a physical test up against Marquis. Rest of the line-up speaks for itself. Our biggest current headache is having a good winger but not playing the formation to utilise him, I would still start Edun though as he looks like he may be one of our better players on the ball and can slot into midfield if we need a change of formation. 

    Really hope Alf opens his account on Tuesday, Bristol Rovers are leaky and at home it should be a good chance to get it done. COYA

    AMB
    Hector - Thomas - Jones
    Asiimwe - Camara - Dobson - Taylor - Edun
    May - CBT





    I'm surprised you think Rovers are weak at the back.  They conceded just 1 goal to both Barnsley (7 against Port Vale) and Portsmouth (4 against Leyton Orient).  EFL cup away at Ipswich let in 2, so would most L1 teams and probably more. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Braziliance said:
    Bristol Rovers haven't managed to keep a clean sheet so far in their first 3 competitive fixtures, so it will be rather telling if we can't manage manage to score...

    I think if we are to win this we need at least 2-3 goals as I can't see us keeping a clean sheet, we have lost 2 on the trot to these lot and in the last 5 managed 2 wins ourselves. I am gonna say 2-1 or 3-2 but I am leaning (more hoping) towards 2-1 as I can't see us scoring 3 goals in a game yet, particularly against a decent side like Bristol Rovers. Got these down as my dark horse for play-offs. 

    I think the 352/532 is promising, but I would like use to use it and chuck our best players available at the game. I would have Hector closest to Asiimwe's side cause I think the young lad is gonna need an experienced head nearby to deal with a dangerous Aaron Collins, I would also keep Camara nearer that side and have him covering the wing. Thomas gets the nod over Ness for me, just think he's looked decent so far and imagine Ness could do with a bit of a break, need Jones for what will be a physical test up against Marquis. Rest of the line-up speaks for itself. Our biggest current headache is having a good winger but not playing the formation to utilise him, I would still start Edun though as he looks like he may be one of our better players on the ball and can slot into midfield if we need a change of formation. 

    Really hope Alf opens his account on Tuesday, Bristol Rovers are leaky and at home it should be a good chance to get it done. COYA

    AMB
    Hector - Thomas - Jones
    Asiimwe - Camara - Dobson - Taylor - Edun
    May - CBT





    I'm surprised you think Rovers are weak at the back.  They conceded just 1 goal to both Barnsley (7 against Port Vale) and Portsmouth (4 against Leyton Orient).  EFL cup away at Ipswich let in 2, so would most L1 teams and probably more. 
    In their last 10 games last season they managed 2 clean sheets in that time (one guess as to who one of those clean sheets was) and have yet to produce one so far this season. Not a team that gets hammered by any stretch but they do struggle to keep one out typically 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    Was this fixture last season the one when Ryan Inniss made two mistakes which cost Cafc the match after we played decent for most of the game ?
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    It would need to be Jones, Hector, Thomas if they are the 3 selected in a back three.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    edited August 2023
    soapboxsam said:
    Was this fixture last season the one when Ryan Inniss made two mistakes which cost Cafc the match after we played decent for most of the game ?
    Unfortunately, yes. Let Marquis in twice. The mad thing is, he scored to make it 1-0 to us.

    Our team that day was:

    Maynard-Brewer
    Clare - Lavelle - Inniss - Sessegnon
    Payne - Dobson - Fraser
    Rak-Sakyi - Stockley - Blackett-Taylor

    Question is, are we that much stronger right now? Defensively, yes we probably are. Midfield is about the same, Camara makes us stronger but with Fraser injured it weakens us. Up top, you'd have to say it's weaker as we only have CBT and May now. Stockley was poor but we know how important JRS was.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Sage said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Was this fixture last season the one when Ryan Inniss made two mistakes which cost Cafc the match after we played decent for most of the game ?
    Unfortunately, yes. Let Marquis in twice. The mad thing is, he scored to make it 1-0 to us.

    Our team that day was:

    Maynard-Brewer
    Clare - Lavelle - Inniss - Sessegnon
    Payne - Dobson - Fraser
    Rak-Sakyi - Stockley - Blackett-Taylor

    Question is, are we that much stronger right now? Defensively, yes we probably are. Midfield is about the same, Camara makes us stronger but with Fraser injured it weakens us. Up top, you'd have to say it's weaker as we only have CBT and May now. Stockley was poor but we know how important JRS was.
    Yep we need to replace Rak Sak n Crack and we need a big man in the side too. 
  • jonseventyfive
    jonseventyfive Posts: 3,354
    Although not easy (it never is) , I fancy two home wins this week, but main thing is don't lose either, hopefully May can open his account with a goal or two. 2-1.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    NabySarr said:
    Why does everyone keep putting CBT up front in their line ups? He’s been arguably our best player this season doing what he does best, which is getting the ball out wide and taking on the full back. Why on earth would you move him central??? 

    He has to play out wide whether that be at wing back or maybe as a winger with Edun behind him in a 4-3-3, 3-4-3 or 4-4-2. Surely we’ve learnt by now not to try putting players in positions that don’t suit them? 
    I think it is incredible people are suggesting we change one of the things which is working well. It is a bit like suggesting we would be better without Dobbo as some did pre-season. I may be old fashoined but bank the things that work surely.
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,505
    Bristol Rovers have 14 players either injured or doubtful so with our 8 could be an under 23 fixture …. 
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  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    RonnieMoore said:
    Bristol Rovers have 14 players either injured or doubtful so with our 8 could be an under 23 fixture …. 
    https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-rovers/charlton-athletic-v-bristol-rovers-injury-news-as-eleven-ruled-out-and-three-doubts-4253802
  • Mike
    Mike Posts: 6,166
    shirty5 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Bristol Rovers have 14 players either injured or doubtful so with our 8 could be an under 23 fixture …. 
    https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-rovers/charlton-athletic-v-bristol-rovers-injury-news-as-eleven-ruled-out-and-three-doubts-4253802
    Their starting 11 really isn't very impacted by injuries at the moment at all. They played very well vs Barnsley apparently and have recruited well so will be a tough game
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,627
    We’ve played three games and scored two goals. One goal to decide the match and I’m not sure to whom.
  • CAFCBourne
    CAFCBourne Posts: 3,791
    The thought of watching Payne and CBT again
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,549
    CAFCBourne said:
    The thought of watching Payne and CBT again
    CBT been our best player this season bar Dobson.
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,726
    CAFCBourne said:
    The thought of watching Payne and CBT again
    CBT? Been our best player this season (Dobbo on a par).
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    edited August 2023
    I actually heard a few blokes saying CBT is effin useless on the way out

    Surprising how different views can be cause I think he is our only dangerous attacking player atm &  if we are gonna score it's likely because of him. 

    If I was Holden I would be putting him onto shooting practice only for a bit, with the amount of chances he gets to shoot he should be hitting the target at least 3 times a game 
  • Julesnumber
    Julesnumber Posts: 95
    Mike said:
    shirty5 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Bristol Rovers have 14 players either injured or doubtful so with our 8 could be an under 23 fixture …. 
    https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-rovers/charlton-athletic-v-bristol-rovers-injury-news-as-eleven-ruled-out-and-three-doubts-4253802
    Their starting 11 really isn't very impacted by injuries at the moment at all. They played very well vs Barnsley apparently and have recruited well so will be a tough game
    Agree, I was there. Connor Taylor makes them a different defence from last season. And goalkeeper Belshaw a crowd favourite seems to have fallen out with Barton (probably quite easy) so he should be looking for another club as he is a very decent keeper.
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,257
    edited August 2023
    Braziliance said:
    I actually heard a few blokes saying CBT is effin useless on the way out

    Surprising how different views can be cause I think he is our only dangerous attacking player atm &  if we are gonna score it's likely because of him. 

    If I was Holden I would be putting him onto shooting practice only for a bit, with the amount of chances he gets to shoot he should be hitting the target at least 3 times a game 
    That's the point. He is one of our attacking front three at present and can't score. It is not his fault we only have one striker, but expecting him to become one because we need him to is unrealistic. There is also a question in my mind that he can fit into any team that does not play 442. He is neither a wingback nor a goalscorer, however talented in other ways.
    He would be best used by us if we are chasing the game and need to switch from 352 to 442 and can come on as a sub.
  • FSLN1
    FSLN1 Posts: 263
    Given the injuries and lack of match fitness for some who are not (yet) injured I have no idea what the team will be. 

    But we do need to re-think the attacking strategy and while lumping balls up to May will work if he has a target man centre forward to hold the ball up for him they won't work if his forward partner is Jack Payne. So...play the ball through on the deck and give May a chance. 

    Elsewhere I assume John Marquis will start for BR, in which case we need to adjust the defensive line. I'd play Michael Hector and give him the job of man-marking him into boredom. His experience against Marquis and/or Scott Sinclair should be what he's in the squad to do. 
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  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    Braziliance said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Braziliance said:
    Bristol Rovers haven't managed to keep a clean sheet so far in their first 3 competitive fixtures, so it will be rather telling if we can't manage manage to score...

    I think if we are to win this we need at least 2-3 goals as I can't see us keeping a clean sheet, we have lost 2 on the trot to these lot and in the last 5 managed 2 wins ourselves. I am gonna say 2-1 or 3-2 but I am leaning (more hoping) towards 2-1 as I can't see us scoring 3 goals in a game yet, particularly against a decent side like Bristol Rovers. Got these down as my dark horse for play-offs. 

    I think the 352/532 is promising, but I would like use to use it and chuck our best players available at the game. I would have Hector closest to Asiimwe's side cause I think the young lad is gonna need an experienced head nearby to deal with a dangerous Aaron Collins, I would also keep Camara nearer that side and have him covering the wing. Thomas gets the nod over Ness for me, just think he's looked decent so far and imagine Ness could do with a bit of a break, need Jones for what will be a physical test up against Marquis. Rest of the line-up speaks for itself. Our biggest current headache is having a good winger but not playing the formation to utilise him, I would still start Edun though as he looks like he may be one of our better players on the ball and can slot into midfield if we need a change of formation. 

    Really hope Alf opens his account on Tuesday, Bristol Rovers are leaky and at home it should be a good chance to get it done. COYA

    AMB
    Hector - Thomas - Jones
    Asiimwe - Camara - Dobson - Taylor - Edun
    May - CBT





    I'm surprised you think Rovers are weak at the back.  They conceded just 1 goal to both Barnsley (7 against Port Vale) and Portsmouth (4 against Leyton Orient).  EFL cup away at Ipswich let in 2, so would most L1 teams and probably more. 
    In their last 10 games last season they managed 2 clean sheets in that time (one guess as to who one of those clean sheets was) and have yet to produce one so far this season. Not a team that gets hammered by any stretch but they do struggle to keep one out typically 
    Their squad has been tweaked for improvement since last season. did they have players out for the last 10 games like many smaller clubs, it hits home last 10 games.  Their form did drop off at the end of last season but its a new season.  

    Lets hope we don't let them score one against us because we only look capable of 1 goal ourselves.
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,505
    cafcsinger said:
    CAFCBourne said:
    The thought of watching Payne and CBT again
    CBT been our best player this season bar Dobson.
    You sure .. took 37 mins for him to touch the ball on Saturday 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,505
    Last year they left out Arron Collins to play more defensive against us and won … Collins apart from Charles at Bolton the only player in league one worth spending 800,000 plus on 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,290
    Southbank said:
    Braziliance said:
    I actually heard a few blokes saying CBT is effin useless on the way out

    Surprising how different views can be cause I think he is our only dangerous attacking player atm &  if we are gonna score it's likely because of him. 

    If I was Holden I would be putting him onto shooting practice only for a bit, with the amount of chances he gets to shoot he should be hitting the target at least 3 times a game 
    That's the point. He is one of our attacking front three at present and can't score. It is not his fault we only have one striker, but expecting him to become one because we need him to is unrealistic. There is also a question in my mind that he can fit into any team that does not play 442. He is neither a wingback nor a goalscorer, however talented in other ways.
    He would be best used by us if we are chasing the game and need to switch from 352 to 442 and can come on as a sub.
    He got 8 goals in 29 appearances (10 of those appearances were from the bench) last season. That’s pretty good going for someone who can’t score! He clearly got better at that side of the game last season and will continue to do so this season 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    RonnieMoore said:
    cafcsinger said:
    CAFCBourne said:
    The thought of watching Payne and CBT again
    CBT been our best player this season bar Dobson.
    You sure .. took 37 mins for him to touch the ball on Saturday 
    You don't half talk some nonsense.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    shirty5 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Bristol Rovers have 14 players either injured or doubtful so with our 8 could be an under 23 fixture …. 
    https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-rovers/charlton-athletic-v-bristol-rovers-injury-news-as-eleven-ruled-out-and-three-doubts-4253802
    That's 11 in total between the two clubs. Bristol Rovers does not have 14 players either out or doubtful. It's including our injuries in that total when you read the article.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,648
    Charlton 4-0, May hat trick.



    Nurse.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,924
    Win this and the suicide squad will be booking holidays at work for the playoffs 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    Sage said:
    shirty5 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Bristol Rovers have 14 players either injured or doubtful so with our 8 could be an under 23 fixture …. 
    https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-rovers/charlton-athletic-v-bristol-rovers-injury-news-as-eleven-ruled-out-and-three-doubts-4253802
    That's 11 in total between the two clubs. Bristol Rovers does not have 14 players either out or doubtful. It's including our injuries in that total when you read the article.
    Read the article?
    Is this some sort of new concept?
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    Sage said:
    shirty5 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Bristol Rovers have 14 players either injured or doubtful so with our 8 could be an under 23 fixture …. 
    https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-rovers/charlton-athletic-v-bristol-rovers-injury-news-as-eleven-ruled-out-and-three-doubts-4253802
    That's 11 in total between the two clubs. Bristol Rovers does not have 14 players either out or doubtful. It's including our injuries in that total when you read the article.
    The article was put up for Moore’s benefit 

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