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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,648
    Redskin said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Understand why it was pulled. Would prefer to have abusive posters sin binned or banned rather than no HoC at all but it must be a difficult job for the mods and we have to respect their stance, whatever it is.
    For comments like, You're just a sad troll;  twat; Fuck him, perhaps...?
    Not engaging. 
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,606
    I gave up posting there a few months back, it became a bit of a cesspit TBH, I used to like it, but if it were my site I'd probably not bother bringing it back. I'm sure there's many other forums out there more specifically political.
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,690
    Defo needs opening back up. The football has become more depressing than the politics.
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    Throw away the key.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,163
    edited August 2023
    This site is better off without it. Interesting to note that those that were on it all day don't seem to contribute much elsewhere on here. If you didn't run with a certain crew you were cannon fodder for them (hence why so many people left). If i had a vote i would curtail it.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,582
    With a run in to a General Election year this would go well!
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,767
    edited August 2023
    This is a fantastic forum with people of differing backgrounds and outside interests, but we all have one thing in common, a love of Charlton. It is great that this one thing we do have in common, enables us to discuss so many other topics and we learn so much from the posts that other members make. It's a source of great comfort to those suffering and although we may not personally know them , we feel their pain.

    I have no interest in many of the threads, so I don't open them or comment on them, but I wouldn't dream of suggesting that those threads be closed. I may not have any useful comments to add to other threads that I do read. It's a free country and we all have the option to comment or not.

    I therefore don't understand why others wish to close down political debate, as politics governs all of our lives whether we realise it or not.  It's quite simple, if you want to read and comment on a thread, then you can, but if you don't, then leave it to to those who do.

    There are other forums where politics can be discussed, but there are also other forums where all the other topics on Charlton Life can be discussed, but nobody would suggest that they be shut down.

  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    edited August 2023
    I think the problem is when posters get personal and accuse fellow posters of being something which happens from all sides. So one may accuse people of being fascists and another saying they are clowns. Make your point, if you are the only one making that point so be it, don't moan about it, it is what it is but always keep it civil. Sadly, as much as I enjoyed the politics forum, it is always the usual suspects which will cause it to go pear shaped. It is why I probably wouldn't re-open it if I was AFKA or Stig. Having said that, I could provide the names of two posters on opposing sides of the political spectrum, possibly three, who I think are a lot of the problem and without their participation the forum could work reasonably smoothly. But then isn't that censorship? Probably easiest steering clear of it all, sadly.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,389
    edited August 2023
    Although I'd like it to come back personally, it seemed like there were only 15ish regular users, of which (as Muttley alludes), 2-3 were just there to troll. That leaves maybe 12 people who used it. I agree that hardly seems worth it from the mod perspective and how much effort it takes to monitor. 

    Maybe it could remain closed, but open up a single thread on there for major things like a General Election, or US Election. 
  • CharltonMadrid
    CharltonMadrid Posts: 5,091
    edited August 2023
    It was a good place for discussion but the aggro always came from the same two or three people, some of whom had been banned various times but kept getting let back. Without them I doubt it would have needed to be closed down so it seems obvious to me how it could function in a way that causes less hassle to the moderators, allows those to use it who enjoy it and keeps people off who just troll and seem to only want to go in it to close it down. 

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  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,476
    A lot less stress in the world since it was closed.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I thought the only problem was if posters made personal remarks about specific other posters.
    I don’t know if ‘trolling’ comes under that category.
    Being boring or repetitious was never a problem for me, nor was bile and hatred if it wasn’t aimed at a specific other poster.
    I think there is a place, maybe even an outlet, for bile and hatred in political discourse, because it is not about people having different opinions, but about what way they vote and what kind of culture they are seeking to establish and validate.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,163
    edited August 2023
    There were also a lot of people who were not banned who should have been, as they acted in a far more disgraceful manner. Particularly those arse creeping round the mods to get people banned  just because they dont have the same view as them




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  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,690
    Chunes said:
    Although I'd like it to come back personally, it seemed like there were only 15ish regular users, of which (as Muttley alludes), 2-3 were just there to troll. That leaves maybe 12 people who used it. I agree that hardly seems worth it from the mod perspective and how much effort it takes to monitor. 

    Maybe it could remain closed, but open up a single thread on there for major things like a General Election, or US Election. 
    I reckon the 12 to 15 could start a whatsapp group and have it out there.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,054
    seth plum said:
    I thought the only problem was if posters made personal remarks about specific other posters.
    I don’t know if ‘trolling’ comes under that category.
    Being boring or repetitious was never a problem for me, nor was bile and hatred if it wasn’t aimed at a specific other poster.
    I think there is a place, maybe even an outlet, for bile and hatred in political discourse, because it is not about people having different opinions, but about what way they vote and what kind of culture they are seeking to establish and validate.
    It certainly was for me. If ever there is a way back for HoC, and I genuinely don't know if there is, the boring repetitious posts are something that will have to go.
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,285
    edited August 2023
    ME14addick said:
    This is a fantastic forum with people of differing backgrounds and outside interests, but we all have one thing in common, a love of Charlton. It is great that this one thing we do have in common, enables us to discuss so many other topics and we learn so much from the posts that other members make. It's a source of great comfort to those suffering and although we may not personally know them , we feel their pain.

    I have no interest in many of the threads, so I don't open them or comment on them, but I wouldn't dream of suggesting that those threads be closed. I may not have any useful comments to add to other threads that I do read. It's a free country and we all have the option to comment or not.

    I therefore don't understand why others wish to close down political debate, as politics governs all of our lives whether we realise it or not.  It's quite simple, if you want to read and comment on a thread, then you can, but if you don't, the leave it to to those who do.

    There are other forums where politics can be discussed, but there are also other forums where all the other topics on Charlton Life can be discussed, but nobody would suggest that they be shut down.

    You've nailed it Emmy. I've little to zero interest, or anything to add frankly, to threads about boxing or baseball or Love Island or word games or investments or many of the music threads...so I don't read them. Others won't be interested in beer or gardening or running, athletics or latest movies or something else that I am interested in.

    This includes politics and current affairs which, for reasons I completely understand, was catered for outside of the main board. If CL is a virtual pub, the HoC is the equivalent of sending the politics bores off to the smoking shelter to continue arguing the toss. It's certainly not a cess pit though as claimed and the level of debate is in general a big step up from many other forums and online sources.

    To continue the pub theme(!) it only becomes a problem when people start lumping each other and it sprawls out onto the pavement and @stig and the other bouncers have to intervene. It's almost always the same few people rolling around scrapping with each other IMO and I totally get why the landlord's had enough but I still hope that it's not a permanent closure.

    ...I think I've murdered the pub analogy enough so I'll leave it there for now. 
  • MrWalker
    MrWalker Posts: 4,128
    Stig said:
    seth plum said:
    I thought the only problem was if posters made personal remarks about specific other posters.
    I don’t know if ‘trolling’ comes under that category.
    Being boring or repetitious was never a problem for me, nor was bile and hatred if it wasn’t aimed at a specific other poster.
    I think there is a place, maybe even an outlet, for bile and hatred in political discourse, because it is not about people having different opinions, but about what way they vote and what kind of culture they are seeking to establish and validate.
    It certainly was for me. If ever there is a way back for HoC, and I genuinely don't know if there is, the boring repetitious posts are something that will have to go.
    You can say that again.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,507
    kentaddick said:
    It would help if outright Holocaust revisionism wasn’t actively supported by the admins for a start. Posts that just contain “just f*** off” etc should carry an insta ban. Basically it requires a moderator with half a brain to be actively moderating for it to work, which they don’t seem like they want to do. 
    Rules me out
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,636
    I could never find it in the first place, perhaps just as well!
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,648
    I’m basically in the ME14 and Bournemouth camp with this. Vast majority of posters can behave like adults and the HoC forum has some fascinating contributors. For me the best way to eliminate the aggro is to quickly remove those the mods think are causing a problem. One strike and you’re out seems fair under the circumstances. 

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  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,163
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I’m basically in the ME14 and Bournemouth camp with this. Vast majority of posters can behave like adults and the HoC forum has some fascinating contributors. For me the best way to eliminate the aggro is to quickly remove those the mods think are causing a problem. One strike and you’re out seems fair under the circumstances. 
    Totally agree with you shoots in a level playing field. Trouble is it wasnt.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,663
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I’m basically in the ME14 and Bournemouth camp with this. Vast majority of posters can behave like adults and the HoC forum has some fascinating contributors. For me the best way to eliminate the aggro is to quickly remove those the mods think are causing a problem. One strike and you’re out seems fair under the circumstances. 
    Depends on the definition of 'one strike.'

    If a view is expressed which disagrees with the left wing consensus which seems to prevail does that constitute a strike?
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,476
    edited August 2023
    LenGlover said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I’m basically in the ME14 and Bournemouth camp with this. Vast majority of posters can behave like adults and the HoC forum has some fascinating contributors. For me the best way to eliminate the aggro is to quickly remove those the mods think are causing a problem. One strike and you’re out seems fair under the circumstances. 
    Depends on the definition of 'one strike.'

    If a view is expressed which disagrees with the left wing consensus which seems to prevail does that constitute a strike?


    Lol!!!!!

     I suggested the same as others re yellow and red cards
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,648
    LenGlover said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I’m basically in the ME14 and Bournemouth camp with this. Vast majority of posters can behave like adults and the HoC forum has some fascinating contributors. For me the best way to eliminate the aggro is to quickly remove those the mods think are causing a problem. One strike and you’re out seems fair under the circumstances. 
    Depends on the definition of 'one strike.'

    If a view is expressed which disagrees with the left wing consensus which seems to prevail does that constitute a strike?
    That’s an unhelpful comment I think. I also think you know that by one strike and you’re out means one time playing the man and not the ball. 
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,663
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    LenGlover said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I’m basically in the ME14 and Bournemouth camp with this. Vast majority of posters can behave like adults and the HoC forum has some fascinating contributors. For me the best way to eliminate the aggro is to quickly remove those the mods think are causing a problem. One strike and you’re out seems fair under the circumstances. 
    Depends on the definition of 'one strike.'

    If a view is expressed which disagrees with the left wing consensus which seems to prevail does that constitute a strike?
    That’s an unhelpful comment I think. I also think you know that by one strike and you’re out means one time playing the man and not the ball. .
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,372
    One strike and banished to Twitter or whatever it’s called nowadays. 
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,663
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    LenGlover said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I’m basically in the ME14 and Bournemouth camp with this. Vast majority of posters can behave like adults and the HoC forum has some fascinating contributors. For me the best way to eliminate the aggro is to quickly remove those the mods think are causing a problem. One strike and you’re out seems fair under the circumstances. 
    Depends on the definition of 'one strike.'

    If a view is expressed which disagrees with the left wing consensus which seems to prevail does that constitute a strike?
    That’s an unhelpful comment I think. I also think you know that by one strike and you’re out means one time playing the man and not the ball. 
    Was intended as an observation or question  in good faith. 

    'Playing the man rather than the ball' occurs when someone disagrees. Therefore I wondered whether expression of a contrary opinion might constitute a strike to avoid a squabble.


  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,648
    Obtuse ?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,663
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Obtuse ?
    Not in my view but perhaps we're in danger of going down the playing the man route if we're not careful!
  • stop_shouting
    stop_shouting Posts: 3,682
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    LenGlover said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    I’m basically in the ME14 and Bournemouth camp with this. Vast majority of posters can behave like adults and the HoC forum has some fascinating contributors. For me the best way to eliminate the aggro is to quickly remove those the mods think are causing a problem. One strike and you’re out seems fair under the circumstances. 
    Depends on the definition of 'one strike.'

    If a view is expressed which disagrees with the left wing consensus which seems to prevail does that constitute a strike?
    That’s an unhelpful comment I think. I also think you know that by one strike and you’re out means one time playing the man and not the ball. 
    You’ve got form for name calling tho and insinuated that I was a rascist when I said I believed Kemi badenoch was the future of the Conservative Party. Maybe you should heed  your own comments about playing the man not the ball. 

    I did enjoy the politics side of the board but it clearly brings out the worse in people so can totally understand why afka et al can’t be arsed with it.
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