As I posted in the Holden Sacked thread, I am not willing to write this season off yet so whoever the new manager is, they need to be someone willing to use our current squad, as we cannot afford our stronger players to not fit the new managers system.
I’m not too fussed about Darren Moore, with that Sheff Wed squad promotion should have been easy. That said you feel like we’d tighten up defensively. I’d rather have Bowyer back.
I really don't want Lee Bowyer back. I think his early success for us was perfect timing for everyone. He was fresh, barely back into coaching and very positive. He took over a situation where there were no expectations and managed to sneak us into the play-offs. No-one expected us to get through and he then got a full season where over time the recruitment worked and we had that incredible play-off win. The positivity drained out after that though and the cracks started to show. Angry Lee came back and I haven't seen anything since to indicate that he's ever left that negative, survive at all costs mentality. At Birmingham he was barely keeping them up and bemoaning everything that came his way. I think back to the 'the players give me everything' Bowyer from the start of his management career and I think that person is gone. I can't take another run of players getting hauled off for not being aggressive enough and complaints about everything and anything.
I don't blame Bowyer specifically because there are so many people to blame, but his failure to motivate himself and the team after the Championship relegation is what set the stage for the Sandgaard ownership to fail and us to become mired as a midtable L1 team which we may never recover from. Sandgaard would have failed before long regardless, but Bowyer losing his mind and going in on everyone meant that it happened as quickly as it possibly could have. I still like him for his initial run with us but I think a return might just sully it
I really don't want Lee Bowyer back. I think his early success for us was perfect timing for everyone. He was fresh, barely back into coaching and very positive. He took over a situation where there were no expectations and managed to sneak us into the play-offs. No-one expected us to get through and he then got a full season where over time the recruitment worked and we had that incredible play-off win. The positivity drained out after that though and the cracks started to show. Angry Lee came back and I haven't seen anything since to indicate that he's ever left that negative, survive at all costs mentality. At Birmingham he was barely keeping them up and bemoaning everything that came his way. I think back to the 'the players give me everything' Bowyer from the start of his management career and I think that person is gone. I can't take another run of players getting hauled off for not being aggressive enough and complaints about everything and anything.
I don't blame Bowyer specifically because there are so many people to blame, but his failure to motivate himself and the team after the Championship relegation is what set the stage for the Sandgaard ownership to fail and us to become mired as a midtable L1 team which we may never recover from. Sandgaard would have failed before long regardless, but Bowyer losing his mind and going in on everyone meant that it happened as quickly as it possibly could have. I still like him for his initial run with us but I think a return might just sully it
I do agree with what you are saying. That championship season made Bowyer a very negative manager both on and off the pitch. But he’s had a break from the game so maybe it’s different now?
I really don't want Lee Bowyer back. I think his early success for us was perfect timing for everyone. He was fresh, barely back into coaching and very positive. He took over a situation where there were no expectations and managed to sneak us into the play-offs. No-one expected us to get through and he then got a full season where over time the recruitment worked and we had that incredible play-off win. The positivity drained out after that though and the cracks started to show. Angry Lee came back and I haven't seen anything since to indicate that he's ever left that negative, survive at all costs mentality. At Birmingham he was barely keeping them up and bemoaning everything that came his way. I think back to the 'the players give me everything' Bowyer from the start of his management career and I think that person is gone. I can't take another run of players getting hauled off for not being aggressive enough and complaints about everything and anything.
I don't blame Bowyer specifically because there are so many people to blame, but his failure to motivate himself and the team after the Championship relegation is what set the stage for the Sandgaard ownership to fail and us to become mired as a midtable L1 team which we may never recover from. Sandgaard would have failed before long regardless, but Bowyer losing his mind and going in on everyone meant that it happened as quickly as it possibly could have. I still like him for his initial run with us but I think a return might just sully it
I do agree with what you are saying. That championship season made Bowyer a very negative manager both on and off the pitch. But he’s had a break from the game so maybe it’s different now?
I again agree with this he was never the same manager after the injury crisis.
Would be delighted if it's Moore but think its a long shot. He won't be short of better and nearer offers in the coming months and I can't see him suffering fools gladly - we'll need to tick a lot of boxes I'm not sure we're capable of.
I hope whoever we sign is someone who'll be able to utilise the players we've got already e.g. Its not as much of an issue now but we've tried playing 3-5-2 under recent Managers, and really haven't had the personnel to do so.
Hope too, its someone who doesn't just discard anyone we've signed at the earliest opportunity, because they're not the Managers signings - Both the merry go round of Manager and Players has to stop.
Feels ridiculous that from last season... Only McGrandles and Payne are still here - Yes we potentially need to ship out Kirk | DJ | McGrandles as their time in SE7 hasn't been the best, but as its already been mentioned with the latter, how can he go from being shite with us, to rated with both Lincoln and Cambridge at this level, because surprise / surprise... Thats the exact same Division we're in now!!
I recently compared our last four years to that of Bolton who appear to be the yearly team of the season that everyone admires on here, they've built gradually over that time, none of this one season throw everything at it shit.
But he'll need to have a similar run out of the starting blocks, to when Lee Bowyer took over.
The attitude on here, almost feels at times as though we need to be signing Managers / Players who have already proven themselves.
A lot of the successful Manager | Players at the lower reaches of the EFL, are often because they've been trusted with their first opportunity, and have taken it.
I really don't want Lee Bowyer back. I think his early success for us was perfect timing for everyone. He was fresh, barely back into coaching and very positive. He took over a situation where there were no expectations and managed to sneak us into the play-offs. No-one expected us to get through and he then got a full season where over time the recruitment worked and we had that incredible play-off win. The positivity drained out after that though and the cracks started to show. Angry Lee came back and I haven't seen anything since to indicate that he's ever left that negative, survive at all costs mentality. At Birmingham he was barely keeping them up and bemoaning everything that came his way. I think back to the 'the players give me everything' Bowyer from the start of his management career and I think that person is gone. I can't take another run of players getting hauled off for not being aggressive enough and complaints about everything and anything.
I don't blame Bowyer specifically because there are so many people to blame, but his failure to motivate himself and the team after the Championship relegation is what set the stage for the Sandgaard ownership to fail and us to become mired as a midtable L1 team which we may never recover from. Sandgaard would have failed before long regardless, but Bowyer losing his mind and going in on everyone meant that it happened as quickly as it possibly could have. I still like him for his initial run with us but I think a return might just sully it
I do agree with what you are saying. That championship season made Bowyer a very negative manager both on and off the pitch. But he’s had a break from the game so maybe it’s different now?
The problem is that if it is different, for how long will it stay that way? Bowyer lost his mind when the cumulative lack of support with signings and injuries caught up with him. We've had new owners for a couple of months and we're already dealing with too many injuries and not enough signings. If he comes back all zen he'll soon revert because the working conditions haven't really changed
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This I'd really like but I don't see him leaving Notts County yet.
Hope too, its someone who doesn't just discard anyone we've signed at the earliest opportunity, because they're not the Managers signings - Both the merry go round of Manager and Players has to stop.
Feels ridiculous that from last season... Only McGrandles and Payne are still here - Yes we potentially need to ship out Kirk | DJ | McGrandles as their time in SE7 hasn't been the best, but as its already been mentioned with the latter, how can he go from being shite with us, to rated with both Lincoln and Cambridge at this level, because surprise / surprise... Thats the exact same Division we're in now!!
I recently compared our last four years to that of Bolton who appear to be the yearly team of the season that everyone admires on here, they've built gradually over that time, none of this one season throw everything at it shit.
Dont get a mortgage unless you have taken advice from Robbie Fowler re the property game
But he'll need to have a similar run out of the starting blocks, to when Lee Bowyer took over.
The attitude on here, almost feels at times as though we need to be signing Managers / Players who have already proven themselves.
A lot of the successful Manager | Players at the lower reaches of the EFL, are often because they've been trusted with their first opportunity, and have taken it.
out of all the top picks for me if its experience they want then
Wilder
or
Warburton
Darren Moore
Nathan Jones
Mark Bonner