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[Caution: graphic content]. Charlton Managers
Chizz
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Sometimes, cold, hard facts are easier to assimilate when they're shown in a diagram. That's why I have taken a look at how long each manager was allowed to do his job and manage. The pale blue section of the "pie", top left, highlights the shocking, cataclysmic self-harm meted out by successive Charlton boards.
There is no coincidence in the fact that the three longest-serving managers delivered top-flight football. And none of the others did.
Instead of appointing someone and then sacking them as soon as they prove not to be as good as hoped, it would be nice to think the current owners will find a good manager and stick with them, until - and beyond - the time they exceed expectations.
There is no coincidence in the fact that the three longest-serving managers delivered top-flight football. And none of the others did.
Instead of appointing someone and then sacking them as soon as they prove not to be as good as hoped, it would be nice to think the current owners will find a good manager and stick with them, until - and beyond - the time they exceed expectations.
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Bloody hell - 23 managers since Curbishley is shocking.5
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So what you're saying is the West Stand will be renamed soon to the "23 Managers Since Curbs, Not To Be Confused With The Curbs Stand, Stand"15
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Shocking. Airbrushing Steve Gritt out of history…7
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To think not that long ago we were viewed as a club known for stability and being a model well run club. We’re now the football equivalent of a banana republic.9
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Lawyers for banana republics are currently getting ready for action ...ShootersHillGuru said:To think not that long ago we were viewed as a club known for stability and being a model well run club. We’re now the football equivalent of a banana republic.2 -
They were the longest serving managers because the delivered top flight football.
They didn't deliver top flight football because they were long serving managers.
Dean Holden wasn't a good manager, better to nip it in the bud earlier rather than getting another 10 games down the line having already thrown the season away.3 -
Surprising that prior to Curbs every Charlton manager had the job for at least two years, regardless of performance0
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It took Charlton's best ever managers three years (Seed), four years (Lawrence) and seven years (Curbishley). I'm very glad we didn't do any "nipping in the bud" in their first season or two.Bexleyheath_Addick said:They were the longest serving managers because the delivered top flight football.
They didn't deliver top flight football because they were long serving managers.
Dean Holden wasn't a good manager, better to nip it in the bud earlier rather than getting another 10 games down the line having already thrown the season away.
They each became great managers while at Charlton - none of them had any demonstrable success prior to taking over at Charlton.
They became great, in part, because they were allowed time.16 -
We're more like a middling Italian club, but without the nice weather and gelato.ShootersHillGuru said:To think not that long ago we were viewed as a club known for stability and being a model well run club. We’re now the football equivalent of a banana republic.6 -
That 4 years of the joint managers is longer than any of the managers since Curbs by himself...Fumbluff said:Shocking. Airbrushing Steve Gritt out of history…3 - Sponsored links:
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From my recollection, pre the Premier League era, every club gave managers a proper chance - the sacking culture wasn't anything like it is now. Going a few games without a win was seen as a "bad patch" rather than a terminal decline. Occasionally you'd here that a Spanish club had sacked someone after only 6 months and any media reporting of it in England would take the tone that the Spanish are trigger happy lunatics.maddferrett said:Surprising that prior to Curbs every Charlton manager had the job for at least two years, regardless of performance
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You beat me to it:Chizz said:
It took Charlton's best ever managers three years (Seed), four years (Lawrence) and seven years (Curbishley). I'm very glad we didn't do any "nipping in the bud" in their first season or two.Bexleyheath_Addick said:They were the longest serving managers because the delivered top flight football.
They didn't deliver top flight football because they were long serving managers.
Dean Holden wasn't a good manager, better to nip it in the bud earlier rather than getting another 10 games down the line having already thrown the season away.
They each became great managers while at Charlton - none of them had any demonstrable success prior to taking over at Charlton.
They became great, in part, because they were allowed time.
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Actual managers/head coaches (not caretaker): 17.Chizz said:Sometimes, cold, hard facts are easier to assimilate when they're shown in a diagram. That's why I have taken a look at how long each manager was allowed to do his job and manage. The pale blue section of the "pie", top left, highlights the shocking, cataclysmic self-harm meted out by successive Charlton boards.
There is no coincidence in the fact that the three longest-serving managers delivered top-flight football. And none of the others did.
Instead of appointing someone and then sacking them as soon as they prove not to be as good as hoped, it would be nice to think the current owners will find a good manager and stick with them, until - and beyond - the time they exceed expectations.
Dowie
Reed
Pardew
Parkinson
Powell
Riga
Peeters
Luzon
Fraeye
Riga
Slade
Robinson
Bowyer
Adkins
Jackson
Garner
Holden
(Temp - Less than 5 games)
Peacock
Matthew
Nugent
Jackson
Pearce
I make that 22 appointments in perm/temporary charge who have I missed?0 -
Dazzler21 said:
Actual managers/head coaches (not caretaker): 17.Chizz said:Sometimes, cold, hard facts are easier to assimilate when they're shown in a diagram. That's why I have taken a look at how long each manager was allowed to do his job and manage. The pale blue section of the "pie", top left, highlights the shocking, cataclysmic self-harm meted out by successive Charlton boards.
There is no coincidence in the fact that the three longest-serving managers delivered top-flight football. And none of the others did.
Instead of appointing someone and then sacking them as soon as they prove not to be as good as hoped, it would be nice to think the current owners will find a good manager and stick with them, until - and beyond - the time they exceed expectations.
Dowie
Reed
Pardew
Parkinson
Powell
Riga
Peeters
Luzon
Fraeye
Riga
Slade
Robinson
Bowyer
Adkins
Jackson
Garner
Holden
(Temp - Less than 5 games)
Peacock
Matthew
Nugent
Jackson
Pearce
I make that 22 appointments in perm/temporary charge who have I missed?
Anthony Hayes between Jackson and Pearce under temp4 -
IMO we have to select a manager that has some affinity with the club.Managers who have steered us to promotion:LL was a promoted assistant.JJ the same / long serving player
CP former player
AC the same
LB the same
I guess this points to Jason Pearce as the next logical step - but as with all the above - the board has to back them, and it’s never a quick fix.Both parties need to agree a plan for X seasons to get promoted. Selling quality players is a regenerative step for short term cash gain, and only hinders the process.Likewise, in the junior ranks, talent has to be spotted and retained.Players like Sarmiento and Agyeman walking away to better things is an expensive rick.1 -
15 different permanent managers since Curbishley left in 2006
Depending what you hear, watch and read that number increases, but it is 151 -
9 of the hire & fire post Curbs come under the Belgium ownership. I doubt he changed socks. (or shoes), as much as managers.
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Kevin Nugent is coaching at Millwall I believe. When he managed us I believe he had a 66% win ratio.1
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I reckon the sacking of managers culture started when the transfer windows were introduced. Prior to that, if a team was struggling they could always buy a new player to try to turn things round. Once the windowsMrLargo said:
From my recollection, pre the Premier League era, every club gave managers a proper chance - the sacking culture wasn't anything like it is now. Going a few games without a win was seen as a "bad patch" rather than a terminal decline. Occasionally you'd here that a Spanish club had sacked someone after only 6 months and any media reporting of it in England would take the tone that the Spanish are trigger happy lunatics.maddferrett said:Surprising that prior to Curbs every Charlton manager had the job for at least two years, regardless of performance
came in, this was no longer an option - so the only thing a board can do if the results are poor is sack the manager.1 -
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