Having failed to tempt Sir Alex out of retirement,and accepted that Mr Klopp is happy in his work just who did we expect to take this job.No person who is already employed would leave their position to come here.So we have to select from the unemployed.Michael Appleton has got the job seeing off it seems several other candidates,I hope he does not see the comments on this forum because he will realise that most of the fan base already before a ball is kicked have no faith in him,making his task even harder. Is it too much to ask ,that we sit back,watch what happens over the next few weeks and draw our conclusions then,in the meantime give him all the support we can ,especially at home games where it makes all the difference.
It is I'm afraid. We are sick to the back teeth of waiting for jam tomorrow from the clowns that continue to plague us. It goes along these lines.As long As Duchatelet continues to have a hold on us, we will continue to attract rats like Methven and managers that really aren't up to the job. And until something changes I will continue to moan about it.
Nail on head.
As long as Duchatelet owns the Valley all our owners will be chancers. Some people on here say owning the Valley is not a priority. I say it is. Since the club and the Valley have been separated our owners have been. Esi 1 Esi 2 A guitar playing egomaniac This bunch of pricks.
Until a Knight in shining armour persuads the Belgium dick head to sell the Valley at a reasonable price we will continue to attract the same type of shit we are dealing with now.
I too am apathetic, however some previous appointments have not turned out as I expected. Lennie Lawrence - who knew he would be a legend? Alan Curbishley - I'll be honest I wanted Steve Gritt, Alan Pardew - I was delighted when he was appointed. I'll be there supporting the team whatever and I wish Appleton all the best.
What are the chances of the fanbase being patient if there isn’t an immediate manager bounce? Whether we like the appointment or not, I think we should try to give him a chance. I’m putting the pitchfork back in the shed.
Well said James. Not easy to put your head above the swamp of CL negativity.Just got home to this news and was about to give up at pg.3 until this first positive post by you, so well done sir.
Holden and Garner didn't get this level of negativity and Appleton has better credentials. You'd think we'd appointed an ex palace and spanner legend ffs.
We have no control over the appointment anyway so let's give him our support and patience. Unity can go a long way. Coyr
Not my preference but we are a L1 team and he is a L1 manager. They say he is good with young players which is a positive but his record is not one to excite. I have just listened to Scott's interview which is 90% bullshit but he does confirm the buck stops with him. No this new ownership group does not fill me with confidence but it is early days and I'll give then another 10 games to prove their worth.
Not an inspiring appointment but we are not an inspiring club. Don't expect too much but Hope,as ever that his experience wins through and our worst expectations are denied.
Not much we can do whatever we think so let's get behind the club, the manager and players and see which direction this journey goes
That is the model since Roland and it continues development of young players and to sell them. Don’t give a fuck about the team the fans the club
No, this has been the model (bar the Premiership years) since we returned the The Valley - in truth long before that as well. We developed and sold Academy products to cover the recurring deficits in the years prior to promotion to the Prem in 1998 (Minto and Bowyer most notably). Selling young players is not the issue. It's when you sell them. If the timing is dictated simply by when you desperately need a cash injection, you'll go nowhere. If, as CM described, the plan is to hang on to them until their value's optimised for CAFC and make at least some of the cash available to strengthen the squad, that's how most EFL clubs can achieved progress and promotion. They could have sold Leaburn after the takeover was completed on 19 July if they were the penny-pinchers they're accused of being. They probably won't have a choice at the end of the season if he continues his progress as he'll probably have Premier League suitors but that's fine. It should have added to his value. Time will tell if CM is good to his word and if Appleton can deliver as head coach but as for the owners' motives, as I've said until blue in the face, investing £10m+ in CAFC makes ZERO sense for the large shareholders. Unlike all owners for the past 10+ years (who are patently not interested in the club for money laundering purposes, expansion of a European network, asset-stripping or a vanity project) to aim for anything other than at least 1 promotion. That's not to say they'll throw stupid money at the squad (they evidently won't and I'm thankful for that because it often fails and you're left in deeper shit) but it should mean they'll likely provide the working capital to enable a manager to build a promotion-capable squad over time albeit, yes, selling homegrown players along the way.
All well and good, but if they don't get fans back in the Valley. What then?
No fans = no club, so these owners do need to spend money, because even Merlin the Fucking Magician will not get much out of our weak squad.
Start so far?
A poor transfer window, sacked Holden, shocking league form, out of 2 cups to shit L2 opposition [& conceding 7 goals in 2 games] and a new head coach who is at best, average - they have not endeared themselves to the paying faithful.
I am trying to think of ONE decision they have got right - maybe you can help on that one?
Regards your quote,we are only out of ONE cup still have to play Sutton and Villa at home.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear success for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from success for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
Not you too Henry. How are cost savings and player sales, without challenging for promotion, "success" for SMT? You were there when we regularly sold players to plug the financial holes. It has to be done but it's about timing. SMT says they'll sell when it optimises the value to CAFC. They could have sold Leaburn already if they were penny pinchers uninterested in promotion. They didn't. Will they throw stupid money at a promotion challenge? I trust not because it usually backfires, the owners close the wallet permanently and the club ends up worse off. It takes time.
I’ll reserve judgment, but it’s pretty cheeky for the club website to say he “has worked at the very top level” when in fact he oversaw one single premier league game as an interim boss.
Also love the way they mention that his last job was at ‘championship’ Blackpool but fail to mention that he took them down.
Perhaps that's because he didn't. He was sacked early in January and Mick McCarthy took over and took them down.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear success for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from success for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
Not you too Henry. How is that success for SMT?
To get down to the 1-2 million annual loss rather than the 8 million current loss which will keep the investors onside.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear success for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from success for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
Not you too Henry. How is that success for SMT?
Because Charlie has told his American friends that he can cut costs/reduce losses to make the investment more efficient. Its fairly possible based on the reluctance to bring players in without selling first that his figures were.... fanciful.
If some of the real money guys start to suspect just how much of a pup they've been sold then Charlie could be in a bit of a pickle.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear success for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from success for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
Not you too Henry. How is that success for SMT?
To get down to the 1-2 million annual loss rather than the 8 million current loss which will keep the investors onside.
So why didn't they sell Leaburn if that's the primary goal?
Having failed to tempt Sir Alex out of retirement,and accepted that Mr Klopp is happy in his work just who did we expect to take this job.No person who is already employed would leave their position to come here.So we have to select from the unemployed.Michael Appleton has got the job seeing off it seems several other candidates,I hope he does not see the comments on this forum because he will realise that most of the fan base already before a ball is kicked have no faith in him,making his task even harder. Is it too much to ask ,that we sit back,watch what happens over the next few weeks and draw our conclusions then,in the meantime give him all the support we can ,especially at home games where it makes all the difference.
It is I'm afraid. We are sick to the back teeth of waiting for jam tomorrow from the clowns that continue to plague us. It goes along these lines.As long As Duchatelet continues to have a hold on us, we will continue to attract rats like Methven and managers that really aren't up to the job. And until something changes I will continue to moan about it.
Nail on head.
As long as Duchatelet owns the Valley all our owners will be chancers. Some people on here say owning the Valley is not a priority. I say it is. Since the club and the Valley have been separated our owners have been. Esi 1 Esi 2 A guitar playing egomaniac This bunch of pricks.
Until a Knight in shining armour persuads the Belgium dick head to sell the Valley at a reasonable price we will continue to attract the same type of shit we are dealing with now.
Order, Order (This bunch of pricks). Surely you mean Knobheads, some pricks are useful.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear success for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from success for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
Not you too Henry. How is that success for SMT?
Because Charlie has told his American friends that he can cut costs/reduce losses to make the investment more efficient. Its fairly possible based on the reluctance to bring players in without selling first that his figures were.... fanciful.
If some of the real money guys start to suspect just how much of a pup they've been sold then Charlie could be in a bit of a pickle.
Ditto. Why didn't they sell Leaburn if that's the primary goal?
If we appointed Pep as manager most people would say “ for god sake he had his best days at Man City “
Appleton fits the criteria that the board were looking for , experience, successful / knowledge of league one and the big one is very good bringing the kids along ..
Get behind him and the team , the new owners this week said “ stability was needed at the club “ this appointment gives us stability
If we appointed Pep as manager most people would say “ for god sake he had his best days at Man City “
Appleton fits the criteria that the board were looking for , experience, successful / knowledge of league one and the big one is very good bringing the kids along ..
Get behind him and the team , the new owners this week said “ stability was needed at the club “ this appointment gives us stability
"Appleton fits the criteria that the board were looking for" - cheap and desperate.
My initial reaction was "uninspiring. Mid league 1 manager for mid league 1 club.
It's true that Appleton has had success and he is meant to be a good coach, especially with young players but it doesn't scream "we've got billionaires owners with ambition and passion" rather "it's the best we can do on our self-imposed small budget as no one on the up would come so we got a journeyman in".
But on reflection none of that is Appleton's fault.
He is the manager (sod this head coach nonsense) and so I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
And some good luck, with injuries and with emerging talent, is what he will need.
I also hope he can bring in his own backroom team.
There is a half decent squad here to work with when they are all fit, motivated and clear on their roles.
If Appleton can weld them into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts he might bring us some success.
But I fear success for the fans (challenging for promotion and at least a top six finish) may be be different from success for the SMT (cost savings and player sales) and Appleton will be hard pressed to achieve both.
Not you too Henry. How is that success for SMT?
To get down to the 1-2 million annual loss rather than the 8 million current loss which will keep the investors onside.
So why didn't they sell Leaburn if that's the primary goal?
Because they think they can get more for him after another season in L1
Whilst I was getting my nails done, I heard the alert go on my phone. I didn’t rush to see it, waited for an opportune moment to read it. My beauty therapist asked me was everything alright because of the noise I made when I read the message from the Club.
Not an inspiring appointment but we are not an inspiring club. Don't expect too much but Hope,as ever that his experience wins through and our worst expectations are denied.
Not much we can do whatever we think so let's get behind the club, the manager and players and see which direction this journey goes
It’s the person that fits the criteria… DH was not inspiring but everyone took to him , Lennie Lawrence was even less inspiring yet turned out to be our best manager ever ….
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If Michael Appleton stands with his hands in his pockets in the technical area, looking blank like Russell Slade I will agree with you.
As long as Duchatelet owns the Valley all our owners will be chancers.
Some people on here say owning the Valley is not a priority.
I say it is.
Since the club and the Valley have been separated our owners have been.
Esi 1
Esi 2
A guitar playing egomaniac
This bunch of pricks.
Until a Knight in shining armour persuads the Belgium dick head to sell the Valley at a reasonable price we will continue to attract the same type of shit we are dealing with now.
Holden and Garner didn't get this level of negativity and Appleton has better credentials. You'd think we'd appointed an ex palace and spanner legend ffs.
We have no control over the appointment anyway so let's give him our support and patience. Unity can go a long way. Coyr
No this new ownership group does not fill me with confidence but it is early days and I'll give then another 10 games to prove their worth.
Not much we can do whatever we think so let's get behind the club, the manager and players and see which direction this journey goes
How are cost savings and player sales, without challenging for promotion, "success" for SMT?
You were there when we regularly sold players to plug the financial holes.
It has to be done but it's about timing.
SMT says they'll sell when it optimises the value to CAFC. They could have sold Leaburn already if they were penny pinchers uninterested in promotion. They didn't.
Will they throw stupid money at a promotion challenge? I trust not because it usually backfires, the owners close the wallet permanently and the club ends up worse off.
It takes time.
Perhaps that's because he didn't. He was sacked early in January and Mick McCarthy took over and took them down.
If some of the real money guys start to suspect just how much of a pup they've been sold then Charlie could be in a bit of a pickle.
Been one uninspiring move after the next. Proper tinpot stuff.
Surely you mean Knobheads, some pricks are useful.
Appleton fits the criteria that the board were looking for , experience, successful / knowledge of league one and the big one is very good bringing the kids along ..
Get behind him and the team , the new owners this week said “ stability was needed at the club “ this appointment gives us stability
Must not bite
Must not bite