If it hasnt been mentioned already, these two, David Kerslake and Richard O’Donnell seem to to have made up his coaching staff at Lincoln and BLackpool.
Lost in the comments and as the question is being asked. All left Blackpool at the same time so assume they'll be coming in at some point.
Very unexciting appointment to say the least but in the list of poor CAFC decisions over the last 15 years I doubt it would make the top 20 so I'm going to back him for now and hope that he is the right man for this particular job.
His big disadvantage, as a new manager, is that, given the way the new regime has started the season, he will get a very short honeymoon period from the fans.
For those on here that are 50 plus, and have seen a lot of seasons / managers, just wondering how you feel about our latest incumbent?
Well I am nearly 80,seen a lot of seasons.When I first watched football,we didnt really care who the manager was,or half the time didnt know.Jimmy Seed was the first for me and then Jimmy Trotter,but they always stayed in the background.Gradually revolving managers became the norm,and also became higher profile.We had a succession of managers,Nelson,Craggs,Bailey,Firmani,Mullery and more,all ok without pulling trees up,later we had Lennie who was great,and then of course Curbs,no more to be said.Since Curbs,well its all been said,Dowie was useless,Les Reed Ridiculous,Pardew crap,i could go on,but our record with managers ,other than Bowyer and Powell has been appalling.Bob Peters,dear oh Dear,Jose Riga,Guy Luzon,Karyl Freye,right up to present day,just one disaster after another.Well how do I feel about Appleton,answer,I dont know much about him,but he has his work cut out,and I feel we should give him all the support we can.Who could we have got who was guaranteed to be better,what good manager would leave a job to join us.this whole situation we now have is down to Southall making promises to Roland about buying the ground for 50m and meanwhile just taking on the debt making side of the club(we all know why).This is nothing to do with Appleton,he is not to blame for our situation,he has been employed to do a job,we can help him by being patient.
Very unexciting appointment to say the least but in the list of poor CAFC decisions over the last 15 years I doubt it would make the top 20 so I'm going to back him for now and hope that he is the right man for this particular job.
His big disadvantage, as a new manager, is that, given the way the new regime has started the season, he will get a very short honeymoon period from the fans.
This could be a real issue. And it will be understandable from a fans point of view.
I think Airman mentioned a lack of leaders on the pitch, and I have to say I agree. There is far too much inexperienced or loaned personnel within this group.
Now that might be alright in many situations but toxicity levels may well hit the roof should this project continue to go sour.Things could go from bad to much worse very quickly if we lack the heads on the pitch to keep a lid on it.
Works well with young players and we have a young squad
Gets good loans from PL teams as they trust him to develop their youngsters (not really a positive for now but for future transfer windows)
Do you know that for a fact or did you just swallow the blurb the club put out ?
Of course he has to work with young players......that's all we have. And until January he'll have no influence on bringing in any loans. And after that no real scope unless a couple go back. He w9nt really have a say about player incomings until June next year. And then he'll have plenty of options as we have the usual 10-12 player churn.
Using under 21 as the benchmark: Isted-26 AMB-24 Jones-27 TT-27 Hector-31 Ness-21 Young player Assimwe-18 Young player T Watson-26 ("Watson 26" bring back some bad memories) Edun-25 Dobbo-25 Camara-26 May-30 Fraser-28 Leaburn-19 Young player Taylor-22 Abankwah-19 Young Player Kirk-25 McGrandles-27 T. Campbell-19 Young Player Aneke-30 CBT-25 L Watson-22 Deji-20 next week Young player C. Campbell-20 Young Player Chin-20 Young player Kanu-18 Young player Tedic-23 Anderson-18 Young player There are some young players in the squad, but it's by no means "the only players we have." Just because Holden decided to start five teenagers a couple of weeks ago doesn't mean that's what our squad is made up of. Also, looking at those young players, Chin won't make many league matchday squads, I think Deji and Kanu will struggle to make the squad. I wonder if it will be two from three of Assimwe, Watson, and Abankwah, which would mean another 18 year old missing out.
What you're left with is some young players, some predigious, like Miles and TC, to a lesser extent (at this moment) Anderson and Asiimwe (could maybe put Ness in there). C Campbell has looked very good since joining. Ness is still younger and less experienced than many realize. But I would say about half of our young players are on the fringes of the squad.
Some of the CL members are getting on a bit and anyone under age 30 looks like a young player
I thought my post looked a bit wrong when I wrote 'Colin' Appleton.
Hang on I thought it's Michael who the hell is Colin? Googled it - he passed through Charlton in 1966!
Formerly had a successful career at Leicester City along with Ian King both signed for us at the end of their careers. It didn't change much we still struggled at the bottom end of the 2nd division that season.
I say we give this bloke a really good chance and get behind him. He’s one of us now, having been one of them ( and them, and them, and them, and them ). Jokes are fine, and we have our fair share of doom merchants. Spoke to a couple of friends yesterday involved with Brighton and Leeds respectively. Didn’t get the response I was expecting. Seems to be highly respected and possibly someone who could just come good at the right club. If he’s crap we will go down, if he’s fantastic we will go up. I suspect he is ok and we will finish 11th.
In my view are three things that a prospective new manager can offer which would dampen the initial clamour and frustration at our disappointing start to the season and the growing question marks around the new ownership's approach and buy them some time to work with the squad and implement their new methods:
1. A profile/vision - someone who fans could see has the credentials to grow us and to re-build following a blueprint (sort of how Garner was intended to be, in our current state perhaps someone like Richardson, Bonner or Brady could have been realistic appointments that may have ticked this box - Buckingham certainly would have been a wildcard).
2. A unifying and galvanising force - someone who would either benefit from the "he gets us" reassurance because of a past association with the club or who has the charisma to get immediate buy in because they have the ability to talk and to build immediate rapport (obviously Powell and Bowyer would come into play here, otherwise from non-CAFC connections, Moore would be obviously in this bracket).
3. Win games. Immediately.
Unfortunately for Michael, his approach is limited to #3. Whether that's fair or not, let's see. Good luck!
I think ultimately we will regret not having the bravery or stability to appoint Liam Manning when he was available last December - Holden is an honest man and I think although ultimately limited, he's been scapegoated by the ownership for their own poor start. Holden was their man, but a poor choice as anything other than a caretaker. Early decision-making signs from our overlords are not great.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
I for one (and it probably is only me) will be the more positive about the appointment until 10 games have been played. We’ve lost 6 games in 8. Should we not have looked more rationally at things . The manager should be in the background and not the focus of attention. Let him get on with it and let’s turn up and support the team. We all love having a moan but sometimes it’s best if you stay quiet. Negativity breeds malevolence.
I hope questions are asked asap about his coaching team as if they put people on him again like with previous managers i really give up with this ownership already
no manager will ever succeed with us unless they are properly backed and supported not just with players but to know they have people they trust know and can rely on behind them in the coaching setup
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chinn, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
I make no value judgement on MA, but there is a big difference between producing shovel-ready kids from the academy, and actually developing a successful first team around young players.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
Would you prefer they appointed someone with no track record of working with and developing young players? I think the the best suggestion I’ve heard is taking break and seeing how it goes for ten matches or so.
Judging by the start to season there’s no easy fix unfortunately.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chinn, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
I make no value judgement on MA, but there is a big difference between producing shovel-ready kids from the academy, and actually developing a successful first team around young players.
Interesting. Can you tell me more about this? This big difference? Shall we start from the notion that a successful first team is a winning first team?
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
Would you prefer they appointed someone with no track record of working with and developing young players? I think the the best suggestion I’ve heard is taking break and seeing how it goes for ten matches or so.
Judging by the start to season there’s no easy fix unfortunately.
A track record is so in the past. As I have repeatedly said across a number of threads it is wins in the future I would like to become our track record. I am fed up with all this project stuff, direction of travel stuff, working with youngsters stuff, but I would be mightily cheered by winning the next eight games and eventual automatic promotion. Wouldn’t everybody be?
I'm one of the 60+ For me the appointment of MA is a logical one for the SMT as I think the vision sold to the owners who invested is to bring our youth development players into the shopping window to sell on. Experienced loanees are there to steady the ship in terms of sailing a path safely through league 1 waters and to help guide and develop the young players. And if we strike lucky and manage a promotion then that will be an unexpected bonus. So who better than a manager who has experience of this? I expect bonuses and fees will be invoiced to the club by the SMT for all sorts of "Services" that the owners will not question unless the whole plan goes belly up. I never thought I would EVER be this cynical and suspicious but MS has opened my eyes to how easy it is to extract money from a business. I really hope I am wrong. All I want to do is watch us play football with the sole target each season being to get promoted and be successful on the pitch.
Well trust Michael Appleton settles in very quickly. Hope within hope he can bring his own staff in to work with. Hotel or living out of a suitcase can be no fun with no one around you you can trust. Off to watch Stevenage today is at least a start but who goes with him Scott? Here once again lies the problem SMT.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
Would you prefer they appointed someone with no track record of working with and developing young players? I think the the best suggestion I’ve heard is taking break and seeing how it goes for ten matches or so.
Judging by the start to season there’s no easy fix unfortunately.
A track record is so in the past. As I have repeatedly said across a number of threads it is wins in the future I would like to become our track record. I am fed up with all this project stuff, direction of travel stuff, working with youngsters stuff, but I would be mightily cheered by winning the next eight games and eventual automatic promotion. Wouldn’t everybody be?
Sure thing Seth, no worries. Let me just hop into my Time Machine and take a little jaunt into the future then I can come back and tell you which of the possibilities works out best....
Well trust Michael Appleton settles in very quickly. Hope within hope he can bring his own staff in to work with. Hotel or living out of a suitcase can be no fun with no one around you you can trust. Off to watch Stevenage today is at least a start but who goes with him Scott? Here once again lies the problem SMT.
Best of luck Michael you are going to need it.
Good point. Maybe Anthony Hayes will be at Stevenage with MA. They probably need to do lots of this type of thing too from their scouting and in the coming weeks and months -
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
Would you prefer they appointed someone with no track record of working with and developing young players? I think the the best suggestion I’ve heard is taking break and seeing how it goes for ten matches or so.
Judging by the start to season there’s no easy fix unfortunately.
A track record is so in the past. As I have repeatedly said across a number of threads it is wins in the future I would like to become our track record. I am fed up with all this project stuff, direction of travel stuff, working with youngsters stuff, but I would be mightily cheered by winning the next eight games and eventual automatic promotion. Wouldn’t everybody be?
Sure thing Seth, no worries. Let me just hop into my Time Machine and take a little jaunt into the future then I can come back and tell you which of the possibilities works out best....
OK. We are where we are then, it is what it is. So the future starts at Stevenage. One game of the one game at a time. What Appleton has to do is win that eleven verses eleven one game on the one game at a time principle. Then win the very next one game. Then win the next one game after that, and carry on winning one game at a time.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
If we win at Stevenage that will add up to three points from three away games. That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up. If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion). So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage. I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving. My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others. I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
If we win at Stevenage that will add up to three points from three away games. That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up. If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion). So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage. I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving. My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others. I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
we all want wins and ultimately promotion. Previous results this season are not down to Appleton so to suggest that in his first game at Stevenage if we don't win you want him gone is bonkers.
There I no logic behind this appointment whatsoever. There wasn’t a lot behind Holden, bar him being a thoroughly decent bloke . At least Garner had an ideology, of a sort . I said Pearce would be our manager by January and I stand by it
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
If we win at Stevenage that will add up to three points from three away games. That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up. If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion). So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage. I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving. My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others. I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
To suggest that the manager should go, having inherited this team, in these circumstances, if they lose one game is frankly nuts. No other words for it.
Lets all calm down and see what’s happening ten games down the line
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
If we win at Stevenage that will add up to three points from three away games. That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up. If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion). So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage. I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving. My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others. I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
But is your target for automatics what he should be judged by, by anyone other than you? There are 23 other teams in this league. We are not entitled to beat any of them, all of whom will be trying their best to beat us. Your target will leave you frustrated all season because, even when we win games, we're likely to be lagging behind it after our start.
Targets need to reflect what's realistic and at the moment automatics are no more than a pipe dream. I won't deam him a failure for not delivering that and I doubt he's been told that's expected of him.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
Would you prefer they appointed someone with no track record of working with and developing young players? I think the the best suggestion I’ve heard is taking break and seeing how it goes for ten matches or so.
Judging by the start to season there’s no easy fix unfortunately.
A track record is so in the past. As I have repeatedly said across a number of threads it is wins in the future I would like to become our track record. I am fed up with all this project stuff, direction of travel stuff, working with youngsters stuff, but I would be mightily cheered by winning the next eight games and eventual automatic promotion. Wouldn’t everybody be?
Yep. Including Michael Appleton. In the total absence of anything we can do about it, perhaps it’s an idea, radical I know, that we get behind him and the players and make their lives and task just that tiny bit easier rather than adopting a hostile position from the off.
If I was a new manager I wouldn't be too wary of the job. I would know the team needs to be better organised defensively and that would be the priority. The quality in the squad should be sufficient for that not to be an impossible task for Appleton. Whether he can do it or not is another matter, but that ought to be his immediate and short term priority.
Let's be honest, we can pick out at least 3 games where we have surrendered the points or a point due to basic mistakes. Basic mistakes ought to be the easiest to fix.
Good luck to Michael Appleton; the luck will be having our better players fit for selection. And the first job is to stop losing (no shit Sherlock)
You don't achieve this by being gung ho and being hit on the break (in transition) with no defensive shape and defenders at the wrong end of the pitch. Oxford was an education and Dean Holden failed his exams.
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Lost in the comments and as the question is being asked. All left Blackpool at the same time so assume they'll be coming in at some point.
His big disadvantage, as a new manager, is that, given the way the new regime has started the season, he will get a very short honeymoon period from the fans.
1. A profile/vision - someone who fans could see has the credentials to grow us and to re-build following a blueprint (sort of how Garner was intended to be, in our current state perhaps someone like Richardson, Bonner or Brady could have been realistic appointments that may have ticked this box - Buckingham certainly would have been a wildcard).
2. A unifying and galvanising force - someone who would either benefit from the "he gets us" reassurance because of a past association with the club or who has the charisma to get immediate buy in because they have the ability to talk and to build immediate rapport (obviously Powell and Bowyer would come into play here, otherwise from non-CAFC connections, Moore would be obviously in this bracket).
3. Win games. Immediately.
Unfortunately for Michael, his approach is limited to #3. Whether that's fair or not, let's see. Good luck!
I think ultimately we will regret not having the bravery or stability to appoint Liam Manning when he was available last December - Holden is an honest man and I think although ultimately limited, he's been scapegoated by the ownership for their own poor start. Holden was their man, but a poor choice as anything other than a caretaker. Early decision-making signs from our overlords are not great.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
no manager will ever succeed with us unless they are properly backed and supported not just with players but to know they have people they trust know and can rely on behind them in the coaching setup
I posted this picture over 4 yrs ago.
Just saying. #smuglife
I think the the best suggestion I’ve heard is taking break and seeing how it goes for ten matches or so.
Can you tell me more about this? This big difference?
Shall we start from the notion that a successful first team is a winning first team?
As I have repeatedly said across a number of threads it is wins in the future I would like to become our track record.
I am fed up with all this project stuff, direction of travel stuff, working with youngsters stuff, but I would be mightily cheered by winning the next eight games and eventual automatic promotion.
Wouldn’t everybody be?
For me the appointment of MA is a logical one for the SMT as I think the vision sold to the owners who invested is to bring our youth development players into the shopping window to sell on.
Experienced loanees are there to steady the ship in terms of sailing a path safely through league 1 waters and to help guide and develop the young players.
And if we strike lucky and manage a promotion then that will be an unexpected bonus.
So who better than a manager who has experience of this?
I expect bonuses and fees will be invoiced to the club by the SMT for all sorts of "Services" that the owners will not question unless the whole plan goes belly up.
I never thought I would EVER be this cynical and suspicious but MS has opened my eyes to how easy it is to extract money from a business.
I really hope I am wrong.
All I want to do is watch us play football with the sole target each season being to get promoted and be successful on the pitch.
Hotel or living out of a suitcase can be no fun with no one around you you can trust.
Off to watch Stevenage today is at least a start but who goes with him Scott?
Here once again lies the problem SMT.
Best of luck Michael you are going to need it.
Maybe Anthony Hayes will be at Stevenage with MA.
They probably need to do lots of this type of thing too from their scouting and in the coming weeks and months -
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5cf7762e7ba55/piece-by-set-piece-the-power-of-analysis
We are where we are then, it is what it is.
So the future starts at Stevenage.
One game of the one game at a time.
What Appleton has to do is win that eleven verses eleven one game on the one game at a time principle.
Then win the very next one game.
Then win the next one game after that, and carry on winning one game at a time.
That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up.
If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion).
So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage.
I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving.
My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others.
I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
Lets all calm down and see what’s happening ten games down the line
Targets need to reflect what's realistic and at the moment automatics are no more than a pipe dream. I won't deam him a failure for not delivering that and I doubt he's been told that's expected of him.
You don't achieve this by being gung ho and being hit on the break (in transition) with no defensive shape and defenders at the wrong end of the pitch. Oxford was an education and Dean Holden failed his exams.