If anything Methane is more dangerous than any of the previous encumbants since Roland. He has a plan, shit or bust and it involves the family silver. The other lot were either not very good conmen, or deluded rich men weighed down by ego.
If I were not Charlton to the core, Roland played a blinder. Methane, we shall see.
Definitely. He’s doing all this with someone else’s money. He got gifted a share, which was worthless when he got it , and if he fails, it’s still worthless. The big question is when do the real owners start flexing their muscles.
Sounds like they are out of work as well if they pop in for a 5 hour training session
And I bet it's one of Appleton's former assistants.
So we are pretending the interview process is meaningful and in some way highly credible?
why can’t Scott just say it’s MA choice and we are happy with it?
While every club will work slightly differently, this is the general jist of the Technical Director / Head Coach dynamic... Scott is ultimately responsible for the hiring and firing of coaches, medical and other support staff that are there to help the players perform to the best of their ability. Perhaps in the old days a new manager gets to make those decisions without input from elsewhere but that's not modern football anymore.
It's logical that Appleton's former coaches are in the frame but it also makes sense that the search for an assistant coach shouldn't be treated any different in making sure they're the right fit.
We don't have any of the details of the intricate workings of AS/MA's early relationship but one of the many possible scenarios is that while Appleton worked with Kerslake and O'Donnell at his last two clubs, we have our own highly regarded coach already in Anthony Hayes. My understanding is that O'Donnell in particular was tasked with working with the younger players etc. What separates him / makes him better for Charlton than AH for instance?
Sounds like they are out of work as well if they pop in for a 5 hour training session
And I bet it's one of Appleton's former assistants.
So we are pretending the interview process is meaningful and in some way highly credible?
why can’t Scott just say it’s MA choice and we are happy with it?
While every club will work slightly differently, this is the general jist of the Technical Director / Head Coach dynamic... Scott is ultimately responsible for the hiring and firing of coaches, medical and other support staff that are there to help the players perform to the best of their ability. Perhaps in the old days a new manager gets to make those decisions without input from elsewhere but that's not modern football anymore.
It's logical that Appleton's former coaches are in the frame but it also makes sense that the search for an assistant coach shouldn't be treated any different in making sure they're the right fit.
We don't have any of the details of the intricate workings of AS/MA's early relationship but one of the many possible scenarios is that while Appleton worked with Kerslake and O'Donnell at his last two clubs, we have our own highly regarded coach already in Anthony Hayes. My understanding is that O'Donnell in particular was tasked with working with the younger players etc. What separates him / makes him better for Charlton than AH for instance?
Exactly. Scott is the new baddie in town and whatever he says is going to be ripped apart by out fan base.
nice to read a reasoned and logical post for a change
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
Appleton's season starts Saturday. The rest of our owners and SMT started in July. With extensive knowledge since January.
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
The season started way before this coming Saturday, and Leneghan, Scott, Rodwell, Warrick and Methven have shaped what has happened so far. What has happened has been mostly dreary depressing crap results.
The season has already got well under way, but the glimmer of hope is that by winning every home game, four of the remaining away games, and drawing the rest of the away games we can recover from when the season really started.
Points won in August have the same mathematical value as points won in April. If Appleton has been given a week to get a win at Stevenage, then the Shamocracy should’ve got their act together by the start of the season seeing as how they have been sniffing around (and threatening court action) since January. Lots of weeks. I understand there has been a call for patience, and realism. I think we the fans have been plenty patient, and can see the reality so we have done our bit, now it is up to the club to win. A win at Stevenage is simply a first step under Appleton, not a first step for the fans or for the Shamocracy, but a win gives us a bit of hope to carry us through to the Wycombe home game.
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
Appleton's season starts Saturday. The rest of our owners and SMT started in July. With extensive knowledge since January.
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
I’m not sure how you can say MA hasn’t been dealt a full hand. He’s got a full squad with depth. Holden never had that but Appleton has. For me Appleton has to be in the best 6 league teams from this point onwards as a minimum. If we miss out on the play offs because of our poor start then I won’t blame him but from now on we should be performing at top 6 level or he has not done well enough with this squad
Sounds like they are out of work as well if they pop in for a 5 hour training session
And I bet it's one of Appleton's former assistants.
So we are pretending the interview process is meaningful and in some way highly credible?
why can’t Scott just say it’s MA choice and we are happy with it?
While every club will work slightly differently, this is the general jist of the Technical Director / Head Coach dynamic... Scott is ultimately responsible for the hiring and firing of coaches, medical and other support staff that are there to help the players perform to the best of their ability. Perhaps in the old days a new manager gets to make those decisions without input from elsewhere but that's not modern football anymore.
It's logical that Appleton's former coaches are in the frame but it also makes sense that the search for an assistant coach shouldn't be treated any different in making sure they're the right fit.
We don't have any of the details of the intricate workings of AS/MA's early relationship but one of the many possible scenarios is that while Appleton worked with Kerslake and O'Donnell at his last two clubs, we have our own highly regarded coach already in Anthony Hayes. My understanding is that O'Donnell in particular was tasked with working with the younger players etc. What separates him / makes him better for Charlton than AH for instance?
Exactly. Scott is the new baddie in town and whatever he says is going to be ripped apart by out fan base.
nice to read a reasoned and logical post for a change
The current anger cycle:
"Why isn't x releasing a statement about x! I'm so ANGRY"
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
Appleton's season starts Saturday. The rest of our owners and SMT started in July. With extensive knowledge since January.
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
I’m not sure how you can say MA hasn’t been dealt a full hand. He’s got a full squad with depth. Holden never had that but Appleton has. For me Appleton has to be in the best 6 league teams from this point onwards as a minimum. If we miss out on the play offs because of our poor start then I won’t blame him but from now on we should be performing at top 6 level or he has not done well enough with this squad
Camara is out Fraser is out McGrandles is out Aneke is out Taylor, Jones are not match fit Kirk is a waste of money We have a bunch of teenagers filling in
Yet he's supposed to deliver top 6 based on who we are and what the owners have been sold by CM
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
They should be given time, I agree. To the best of my knowledge that around the takeover officially got announced you were of the opinion we should be excited, I can’t remember the exact words. You and others were only passing on what you were hearing from contacts you trust, but for me, I got a sense it was what we call ‘happy ears’ in the sales profession.
This could all still work out, but the immediate months following the takeover have been a disaster. Scratching the surface, it appears as though there is a disconnect between what the major investors have been sold versus the reality and what the 4 members of the SMT are working with day to day. Some of it is not their fault, inheriting the likes of Kirk and Aneke on long contracts and big money, and for me, signing the likes of Tayo, May and Camara were big ticks, I think they’re good players and can help us do well. On the flip side, Holden their man in Jan, was found out, the tail end of the window, although it had activity, that activity is perhaps different to what we need to get out this division, time will tell
You are quite right that what you and others shared is no different to what Airman shared in the analogue years prior to social media through VOTV. I think the difference being, whether or not you like/agree with Airman, he’s built up a 40 year plus reputation based on his work for both the club and a voice of the fans, is trustworthy, with the club’s best interests at heart, and has a working knowledge of Charlton Athletic and what it would take to run the club properly. It’s not that you, or any of the others who shared info in the run up to the takeover, or your contacts are untrustworthy, but speaking candidly, the faces of our most recent takeover, could be considered untrustworthy.
It’s done now, and yours and Michael Appleton’s season starts Saturday, but for the rest of us, the season began after the takeover. The grace period should still apply, happy to eat humble pie if we end up having a competitive season, and we should get behind Appleton, but the fans, quite rightly are watching very closely
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
They should be given time, I agree. To the best of my knowledge that around the takeover officially got announced you were of the opinion we should be excited, I can’t remember the exact words. You and others were only passing on what you were hearing from contacts you trust, but for me, I got a sense it was what we call ‘happy ears’ in the sales profession.
This could all still work out, but the immediate months following the takeover have been a disaster. Scratching the surface, it appears as though there is a disconnect between what the major investors have been sold versus the reality and what the 4 members of the SMT are working with day to day. Some of it is not their fault, inheriting the likes of Kirk and Aneke on long contracts and big money, and for me, signing the likes of Tayo, May and Camara were big ticks, I think they’re good players and can help us do well. On the flip side, Holden their man in Jan, was found out, the tail end of the window, although it had activity, that activity is perhaps different to what we need to get out this division, time will tell
You are quite right that what you and others shared is no different to what Airman shared in the analogue years prior to social media through VOTV. I think the difference being, whether or not you like/agree with Airman, he’s built up a 40 year plus reputation based on his work for both the club and a voice of the fans, is trustworthy, with the club’s best interests at heart, and has a working knowledge of Charlton Athletic and what it would take to run the club properly. It’s not that you, or any of the others who shared info in the run up to the takeover, or your contacts are untrustworthy, but speaking candidly, the faces of our most recent takeover, could be considered untrustworthy.
It’s done now, and yours and Michael Appleton’s season starts Saturday, but for the rest of us, the season began after the takeover. The grace period should still apply, happy to eat humble pie if we end up having a competitive season, and we should get behind Appleton, but the fans, quite rightly are watching very closely
I agree with you, and to be honest, I am still confident this ownership will be good for Charlton, and that isn't just a line from them, that is my personal opinion. What is the saying 'Rome wasn't built in a day' Most new ownerships take a bit of time to bed in, City didn't get instant success, Chelsea neither.. Suppose Newcastle is a bit of a success story, without winning anything.
I respect Rick, and as you said he worked hard to build his reputation, my point was being, leaks have always happened, and people build different relationships.! Things are just more accessible now.
The reason I say the season starts now, the squad looks more balanced now, and having Leaburn back is huge!!
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
it is huge (for us) in the context we are Charlton and not Man City
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
We can agree to disagree.
We may or may not have been top 6 but I would be fairly sure we would not be 17th either. And that's purely because we'd have had more than one striker for several weeks, regardless of how good or not he is.
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
We can agree to disagree.
We may or may not have been top 6 but I would be fairly sure we would not be 17th either. And that's purely because we'd have had more than one striker for several weeks, regardless of how good or not he is.
I agree on that! I just don't agree we'd have been top 6. Which is the ownership's objective for this season.
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
That’s definitely possible, as the matches have all been close, and a goal here and there could have made all the difference. But who knows.
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
We can agree to disagree.
We may or may not have been top 6 but I would be fairly sure we would not be 17th either. And that's purely because we'd have had more than one striker for several weeks, regardless of how good or not he is.
I agree on that! I just don't agree we'd have been top 6. Which is the ownership's objective for this season.
We'd be closer than we currently are for sure. And to be fair there's often teams that start slow and finish strong and teams that rocket out then fall off over the season. The top 6 right now won't necessarily be the top 6 at season's end.
That said I'm not expecting us to actually BE top 6 this season. And that absolutely would/will be a failure caused by weak management at the very top.
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
We can agree to disagree.
agree there - I saw enough of Leaburn though in the second half the other day to know we'd have more points and be a dam sight higher if he'd been fit all season - suspect Alfie would probably also have a couple more goals
For me, in the context of league 1, Appleton has been dealt a full hand. He has injuries but so do all clubs. Holden wasn’t dealt a full hand this season because he had injuries and none of the new players were either here or fully fit.
In my opinion, under a good manager/head coach, this squad should be in the top 6 between now and the rest of the season. Hopefully it’s not too late to add that extra bit needed on top top catch up.
It’s certainly a very tough first assignment away at top of the table though. Maybe it’s the challenge that the players need.
Why would any of the new players be fully fit since the last game? They won't have had time to get fully fit - which would include match fitness -seeing as there hasn't been any matches?
If you consider our activities on 31 January to mean that Appleton now has a full hand, again - I am going to agree to disagree with you.
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
We can agree to disagree.
We may or may not have been top 6 but I would be fairly sure we would not be 17th either. And that's purely because we'd have had more than one striker for several weeks, regardless of how good or not he is.
I agree on that! I just don't agree we'd have been top 6. Which is the ownership's objective for this season.
We don't have to be top 6 until May It's easier to be there if we're there or thereabouts all season but being 17th in September doesn't close any doors. Having Miles back is better obviously, miles better, we've a chance now of outscoring some of the opposition. Sadly, Miles's return does very little for the over 50's pub team quality of the central defenders.
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
Appleton's season starts Saturday. The rest of our owners and SMT started in July. With extensive knowledge since January.
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
I’m not sure how you can say MA hasn’t been dealt a full hand. He’s got a full squad with depth. Holden never had that but Appleton has. For me Appleton has to be in the best 6 league teams from this point onwards as a minimum. If we miss out on the play offs because of our poor start then I won’t blame him but from now on we should be performing at top 6 level or he has not done well enough with this squad
Camara is out Fraser is out McGrandles is out Aneke is out Taylor, Jones are not match fit Kirk is a waste of money We have a bunch of teenagers filling in
Yet he's supposed to deliver top 6 based on who we are and what the owners have been sold by CM
I don't think he's been dealt a full hand
Players can get injured anytime. Saying he hasn't been dealt a full hand is not reflective of the squad.
The squad is good enough on paper and if all are fit, then he has a very good hand. It's not the boards/owners fault if players are injured. Unless of course, facilities and training regimes are a factor behind this.
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
Appleton's season starts Saturday. The rest of our owners and SMT started in July. With extensive knowledge since January.
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
I’m not sure how you can say MA hasn’t been dealt a full hand. He’s got a full squad with depth. Holden never had that but Appleton has. For me Appleton has to be in the best 6 league teams from this point onwards as a minimum. If we miss out on the play offs because of our poor start then I won’t blame him but from now on we should be performing at top 6 level or he has not done well enough with this squad
Camara is out Fraser is out McGrandles is out Aneke is out Taylor, Jones are not match fit Kirk is a waste of money We have a bunch of teenagers filling in
Yet he's supposed to deliver top 6 based on who we are and what the owners have been sold by CM
I don't think he's been dealt a full hand
Players can get injured anytime. Saying he hasn't been dealt a full hand is not reflective of the squad.
The squad is good enough on paper and if all are fit, then he has a very good hand. It's not the boards/owners fault if players are injured. Unless of course, facilities and training regimes are a factor behind this.
Matches are played on grass, not paper. We finished mid table last year We currently sit in the bottom half right now I don't believe this squad is good enough, going on the evidence. In your head this squad is good enough. That is the only place that has happened currently.....
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why can’t Scott just say it’s MA choice and we are happy with it?
While every club will work slightly differently, this is the general jist of the Technical Director / Head Coach dynamic... Scott is ultimately responsible for the hiring and firing of coaches, medical and other support staff that are there to help the players perform to the best of their ability. Perhaps in the old days a new manager gets to make those decisions without input from elsewhere but that's not modern football anymore.
It's logical that Appleton's former coaches are in the frame but it also makes sense that the search for an assistant coach shouldn't be treated any different in making sure they're the right fit.
We don't have any of the details of the intricate workings of AS/MA's early relationship but one of the many possible scenarios is that while Appleton worked with Kerslake and O'Donnell at his last two clubs, we have our own highly regarded coach already in Anthony Hayes. My understanding is that O'Donnell in particular was tasked with working with the younger players etc. What separates him / makes him better for Charlton than AH for instance?
nice to read a reasoned and logical post for a change
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
What has happened has been mostly dreary depressing crap results.
If Appleton has been given a week to get a win at Stevenage, then the Shamocracy should’ve got their act together by the start of the season seeing as how they have been sniffing around (and threatening court action) since January. Lots of weeks.
I understand there has been a call for patience, and realism. I think we the fans have been plenty patient, and can see the reality so we have done our bit, now it is up to the club to win.
A win at Stevenage is simply a first step under Appleton, not a first step for the fans or for the Shamocracy, but a win gives us a bit of hope to carry us through to the Wycombe home game.
The current anger cycle:
"Why isn't x releasing a statement about x! I'm so ANGRY"
*statement*
"I dont believe anything they say. I'm so ANGRY"
Fraser is out
McGrandles is out
Aneke is out
Taylor, Jones are not match fit
Kirk is a waste of money
We have a bunch of teenagers filling in
Yet he's supposed to deliver top 6 based on who we are and what the owners have been sold by CM
I don't think he's been dealt a full hand
You are quite right that what you and others shared is no different to what Airman shared in the analogue years prior to social media through VOTV. I think the difference being, whether or not you like/agree with Airman, he’s built up a 40 year plus reputation based on his work for both the club and a voice of the fans, is trustworthy, with the club’s best interests at heart, and has a working knowledge of Charlton Athletic and what it would take to run the club properly. It’s not that you, or any of the others who shared info in the run up to the takeover, or your contacts are untrustworthy, but speaking candidly, the faces of our most recent takeover, could be considered untrustworthy.
I respect Rick, and as you said he worked hard to build his reputation, my point was being, leaks have always happened, and people build different relationships.! Things are just more accessible now.
The reason I say the season starts now, the squad looks more balanced now, and having Leaburn back is huge!!
That said I'm not expecting us to actually BE top 6 this season. And that absolutely would/will be a failure caused by weak management at the very top.
In my opinion, under a good manager/head coach, this squad should be in the top 6 between now and the rest of the season. Hopefully it’s not too late to add that extra bit needed on top top catch up.
It’s certainly a very tough first assignment away at top of the table though. Maybe it’s the challenge that the players need.
If you consider our activities on 31 January to mean that Appleton now has a full hand, again - I am going to agree to disagree with you.
It's easier to be there if we're there or thereabouts all season but being 17th in September doesn't close any doors.
Having Miles back is better obviously, miles better, we've a chance now of outscoring some of the opposition. Sadly, Miles's return does very little for the over 50's pub team quality of the central defenders.
We finished mid table last year
We currently sit in the bottom half right now
I don't believe this squad is good enough, going on the evidence.
In your head this squad is good enough.
That is the only place that has happened currently.....