If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Most of the managers we have sacked in recent times has been little to do with the supporters. The fan pressure myth that is being put about by the boards unofficial spokesperson (not you) is a shifting of their own failings
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
He’s Ben garner in a muscle suit convince me otherwise
At least Garner showed some passion.
Ipswich was it, that he had that little mental moment and we ended up getting a point? Appleton can't even remove his hands from his pockets. Absolutely nothing likeable about him.
Wondering if the sacking will wait until the transfer windows closed, though I’m not sure what’s easier convincing players to join a club with a crap manager or with no-one in charge.
Over the next couple of weeks we’re going to have to integrate upwards of 7 (?) new players. I’m not sure that integrating a new manager at this point is that good an idea. I don’t believe any of the rumours that there’s an emergency board meeting or that he’s got until Tuesday. If he was going to get sacked he’d be gone today. Tuesday is important and three points will settle the nerves and see the new lads make an impact from then on.
Why would a new manager not work with all the new faces? We're clearly changing playing system anyway, so it could be the ideal time to bring in someone new. What good does it do bringing new players into such a negative environment?
Exactly.
All the players are going to be new to a new manager anyway.
Plus I think Scott picks the signings anyway.
He does but this window has made it abundantly clear that Appleton is being given a pretty big say
I am not so sure I think we are using the DoF method of selecting players to make the manager easier to replace. Scott said a long time ago that we should be 352, long before any manager did.
at least 2 of the players brought in have played for MA before and said he was a big reason for them coming
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Of all the problems currently facing the club the fans are way down on the list.
Sections of the fan base have called for the sacking of every manager we’ve had since and including Curbishley whenever the team have a bad run. Appleton wasn’t the correct choice imho but he’s in the chair and we must break the cycle of demanding sackings. My own view is that is that he’ll be gone next season at some point but just like the SMT seem to have realised that we need better quality recruitment for players I hope they realise that the manager choice is key and go for the absolute best candidate they can.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.
I have been vocally critical about the current decision makers but they have at least appeared to admit with actions that they made a mess of Summer recruitment, trying to correct that.
They need to accept they made the same mistake hiring Appleton, correct it before things get even worse.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.
You can think that once we have a competent manager in charge.
Anyone wanting Appleton to have more time 'just because' clearly isn't watching the games.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Of all the problems currently facing the club the fans are way down on the list.
Sections of the fan base have called for the sacking of every manager we’ve had since and including Curbishley whenever the team have a bad run. Appleton wasn’t the correct choice imho but he’s in the chair and we must break the cycle of demanding sackings. My own view is that is that he’ll be gone next season at some point but just like the SMT seem to have realised that we need better quality recruitment for players I hope they realise that the manager choice is key and go for the absolute best candidate they can.
Curbishley did not leave because of the supporters. Boards/Owners sack Managers
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.
The last two appointments just scream cheap. The player recruitment has changed so the manager selection also has to, any appointment is a risk but we have to start going for in demand people not the last resort option for sensible clubs.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.
But you have no other reason other than that. Brilliant
I didn't like the Appleton appointment from the start , felt unambitious and very middle of the road. If he is to go today like he should , I hope the ownership show the same ambition on getting the new man in as they have done in this transfer window. Go and push the boat out and not another name off the carousel of EFL journeymen.
Until someone can give a better reason than "we should give him time" then I'll keep challenging it.
Evidence of good coaching? No Improvement in individual players? No Good football? No Clear set up and method of play? No Good results? No Experience of success at this level? No Likeable? No
Give him time though.
Able to readjust a winter beanie without inciting a riot? No
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.
It's not sensible to sack continually sack managers. It was even less sensible to appoint Appleton. He has to go and has to go now.
Since we have been in this league, I have read on here that if Adkins/garner etc don't go we are in danger of going down. Not once did I ever think that could happen! Now with this dude in the dug out, I think there is a strong possibility of that happening
Maybe not. But he had similar issues. Struggled to win games if we conceded early towards the end of his time with us and went through a real patch where we couldn’t win. Doing alright at Wimbledon though, which is a long-term project to turnaround.
Bowyer losing faith in Sandgaard and leaving was the bigger problem.
Bowyer lost the dressing room. I know that to be a fact. There were reasons for this and I'd have him back now but he needed to go a bit before he did back then. I think Sandgaard wanted him to leave but didn't want to pay him off which may have cost us a play off place that season. I don't know if Appleton has lost the dressing room but if he has, he has to go, He seems to have lost the fans. I am for giving him a couple of games but that should not be mistaken for thinking he hasn't made errors. The turnaround has to be dramatic for me to want him to stay down the line but he should know he is in last chance saloon and be given the opportunity to get out of it IMO. I am thinking of who we would replace him with which others seem not to be bothering about.
My advice to Appleton would be, Thomas may be a problem in a month or so but he seems comfortable in a three and Ness and Jones don't and they are clearly lacking in confidence. They should be dropped on Tuesday night. We have a more natural wing back than T Watson in Asiimwe so that is the other obvious change. Then possibly bring Ladapo on from the bench to help ease him in and start May and Kanu. I think Kanu is close. Edun seems to have woken up to what his role is and should be praised and encouraged to continue like this and we can see where he goes. We don't have a replacement at this stage but we should be looking for one before another striker.
The decision makers also need to look inwardly why we ended up with Appleton who was clearly not anywhere near the top of our list.
Some will claim its because managers thought our fans are too negative or how quickly they sacked Holden, I believe that is nonsense.
I expect it was more to do with ideologies like the 8/8/8 squad building.
Trying to sell to a proven quality or rising star manager that we will never provide a first 11 of promotion quality and that a third of your squad needs to be from the academy no matter the current crops ability.
I honestly find it baffling that they publicised this to us.
I think it’s fine to sack a manager if the team have been vastly underperforming for as long as we have, as long as the next person you bring in has a proven record at this level.
In my mind there is no point in sacking Appleton if you are just going to bring in another journeyman league one manager, or a punt on someone in our own coaching set up. The circle just continues.
I am sure AFC Wimbledon fans were where we are at with Appleton with Jackson last year after they went months without a win - but he has managed to turn it around a bit this year - so it does say something about sticking with managers.
That being said, my preference would be to move Appleton on now and bring in Duff.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.
But you have no other reason other than that. Brilliant
I’ve painted myself here into looking like I want Appleton to remain. In actuality I don’t. I think he’s the wrong man and always has been. The point I’m trying to make I suppose is that at some point we’ve got to stop this ridiculous changing of managers every season. We’ve had I think 16 managers in 18 years. Where is the stability and ability to build something in that. I’ve said it a before on threads that I think the most important appointment a club can make is that of manager. We’ve failed abysmally in that since Curbishley was appointed. When Appleton does depart we must appoint a quality experienced man and give him time. The problem I see is that because we’ve sacked managers so often as a club that no manager of any note will risk coming and being given no time to do anything. That’s a problem we’ve created and it’s got to change.
No wins in 11 in all comps is bad enough but to pick up just 3 points from 18 against the likes of Burton (twice), Cambridge, Orient, Bristol Rovers and Port Vale really is shocking. To put things into perspective, if it wasn't for Reading's points deduction, we would be currently just three points above the relegation zone. And 8 of our next 9 matches are against sides in the top half of the table.
One of the biggest issues with runs like this is that players who might have been previously doing well, like May, CBT or Jones to give just three examples, either lose the desire to stay or their form drops as a result of getting dragged into the malaise. You have to find a spark to change that and whilst a new manager can create that, it has to be the right new manager. One with proven experience of consistently motivating a side. I'm not advocating him because he is a "stop gap" appointment but it is exactly what someone like Neil Warnock does and one of the reason it works is that he usually brings with him proven back up staff who know his ways but also have the specialist knowledge and ability to convey what how to defend as a unit for example. What I would have done for a Mark Robbins or Nigel Clough appointment instead of Appleton - still young enough, played at the top level, have the experience of managing for years and an ability to make the most of the players at their disposal.
Let the charge for safety begin. With or without Appleton.
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Appleton can't even remove his hands from his pockets. Absolutely nothing likeable about him.
Glad the directors have realised their mistake before he could cause too much damage this season.
They need to accept they made the same mistake hiring Appleton, correct it before things get even worse.
Anyone wanting Appleton to have more time 'just because' clearly isn't watching the games.
Able to readjust a winter beanie without inciting a riot? No
he has to go!!!
My advice to Appleton would be, Thomas may be a problem in a month or so but he seems comfortable in a three and Ness and Jones don't and they are clearly lacking in confidence. They should be dropped on Tuesday night. We have a more natural wing back than T Watson in Asiimwe so that is the other obvious change. Then possibly bring Ladapo on from the bench to help ease him in and start May and Kanu. I think Kanu is close. Edun seems to have woken up to what his role is and should be praised and encouraged to continue like this and we can see where he goes. We don't have a replacement at this stage but we should be looking for one before another striker.
Some will claim its because managers thought our fans are too negative or how quickly they sacked Holden, I believe that is nonsense.
I expect it was more to do with ideologies like the 8/8/8 squad building.
Trying to sell to a proven quality or rising star manager that we will never provide a first 11 of promotion quality and that a third of your squad needs to be from the academy no matter the current crops ability.
I honestly find it baffling that they publicised this to us.
In my mind there is no point in sacking Appleton if you are just going to bring in another journeyman league one manager, or a punt on someone in our own coaching set up. The circle just continues.
I am sure AFC Wimbledon fans were where we are at with Appleton with Jackson last year after they went months without a win - but he has managed to turn it around a bit this year - so it does say something about sticking with managers.
That being said, my preference would be to move Appleton on now and bring in Duff.