Until someone can give a better reason than "we should give him time" then I'll keep challenging it.
Evidence of good coaching? No Improvement in individual players? No Good football? No Clear set up and method of play? No Good results? No Experience of success at this level? No Likeable? No
Give him time though.
Able to readjust a winter beanie without inciting a riot? No
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.
It's not sensible to sack continually sack managers. It was even less sensible to appoint Appleton. He has to go and has to go now.
Since we have been in this league, I have read on here that if Adkins/garner etc don't go we are in danger of going down. Not once did I ever think that could happen! Now with this dude in the dug out, I think there is a strong possibility of that happening
Maybe not. But he had similar issues. Struggled to win games if we conceded early towards the end of his time with us and went through a real patch where we couldn’t win. Doing alright at Wimbledon though, which is a long-term project to turnaround.
Bowyer losing faith in Sandgaard and leaving was the bigger problem.
Bowyer lost the dressing room. I know that to be a fact. There were reasons for this and I'd have him back now but he needed to go a bit before he did back then. I think Sandgaard wanted him to leave but didn't want to pay him off which may have cost us a play off place that season. I don't know if Appleton has lost the dressing room but if he has, he has to go, He seems to have lost the fans. I am for giving him a couple of games but that should not be mistaken for thinking he hasn't made errors. The turnaround has to be dramatic for me to want him to stay down the line but he should know he is in last chance saloon and be given the opportunity to get out of it IMO. I am thinking of who we would replace him with which others seem not to be bothering about.
My advice to Appleton would be, Thomas may be a problem in a month or so but he seems comfortable in a three and Ness and Jones don't and they are clearly lacking in confidence. They should be dropped on Tuesday night. We have a more natural wing back than T Watson in Asiimwe so that is the other obvious change. Then possibly bring Ladapo on from the bench to help ease him in and start May and Kanu. I think Kanu is close. Edun seems to have woken up to what his role is and should be praised and encouraged to continue like this and we can see where he goes. We don't have a replacement at this stage but we should be looking for one before another striker.
The decision makers also need to look inwardly why we ended up with Appleton who was clearly not anywhere near the top of our list.
Some will claim its because managers thought our fans are too negative or how quickly they sacked Holden, I believe that is nonsense.
I expect it was more to do with ideologies like the 8/8/8 squad building.
Trying to sell to a proven quality or rising star manager that we will never provide a first 11 of promotion quality and that a third of your squad needs to be from the academy no matter the current crops ability.
I honestly find it baffling that they publicised this to us.
I think it’s fine to sack a manager if the team have been vastly underperforming for as long as we have, as long as the next person you bring in has a proven record at this level.
In my mind there is no point in sacking Appleton if you are just going to bring in another journeyman league one manager, or a punt on someone in our own coaching set up. The circle just continues.
I am sure AFC Wimbledon fans were where we are at with Appleton with Jackson last year after they went months without a win - but he has managed to turn it around a bit this year - so it does say something about sticking with managers.
That being said, my preference would be to move Appleton on now and bring in Duff.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.
But you have no other reason other than that. Brilliant
I’ve painted myself here into looking like I want Appleton to remain. In actuality I don’t. I think he’s the wrong man and always has been. The point I’m trying to make I suppose is that at some point we’ve got to stop this ridiculous changing of managers every season. We’ve had I think 16 managers in 18 years. Where is the stability and ability to build something in that. I’ve said it a before on threads that I think the most important appointment a club can make is that of manager. We’ve failed abysmally in that since Curbishley was appointed. When Appleton does depart we must appoint a quality experienced man and give him time. The problem I see is that because we’ve sacked managers so often as a club that no manager of any note will risk coming and being given no time to do anything. That’s a problem we’ve created and it’s got to change.
No wins in 11 in all comps is bad enough but to pick up just 3 points from 18 against the likes of Burton (twice), Cambridge, Orient, Bristol Rovers and Port Vale really is shocking. To put things into perspective, if it wasn't for Reading's points deduction, we would be currently just three points above the relegation zone. And 8 of our next 9 matches are against sides in the top half of the table.
One of the biggest issues with runs like this is that players who might have been previously doing well, like May, CBT or Jones to give just three examples, either lose the desire to stay or their form drops as a result of getting dragged into the malaise. You have to find a spark to change that and whilst a new manager can create that, it has to be the right new manager. One with proven experience of consistently motivating a side. I'm not advocating him because he is a "stop gap" appointment but it is exactly what someone like Neil Warnock does and one of the reason it works is that he usually brings with him proven back up staff who know his ways but also have the specialist knowledge and ability to convey what how to defend as a unit for example. What I would have done for a Mark Robbins or Nigel Clough appointment instead of Appleton - still young enough, played at the top level, have the experience of managing for years and an ability to make the most of the players at their disposal.
Let the charge for safety begin. With or without Appleton.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Of all the problems currently facing the club the fans are way down on the list.
Sections of the fan base have called for the sacking of every manager we’ve had since and including Curbishley whenever the team have a bad run. Appleton wasn’t the correct choice imho but he’s in the chair and we must break the cycle of demanding sackings. My own view is that is that he’ll be gone next season at some point but just like the SMT seem to have realised that we need better quality recruitment for players I hope they realise that the manager choice is key and go for the absolute best candidate they can.
Asking for Curbs to be sacked, I'm not having that. I agree with giving managers time, however, the position we're in is not good and IF he was kept throughout February but we were in a worse position than we are now it is inevitable that he'll be sacked.
They are going to give him until Tuesday aren’t they? It’s going to be toxic down there Tuesday if he’s still in place.
Tuesday night attendances at the Valley are notoriously low. If this individual is still charge for the Northampton game, then yes it will be toxic, but a lot of people won’t bother going in a ground that will be 25% full on a January evening
This board cannot be that naive when the results have been unacceptable.
Get rid of him, put Fleming or Pearce in charge until the end of the season and get some tactical nous back into this team for starters
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Of all the problems currently facing the club the fans are way down on the list.
Sections of the fan base have called for the sacking of every manager we’ve had since and including Curbishley whenever the team have a bad run. Appleton wasn’t the correct choice imho but he’s in the chair and we must break the cycle of demanding sackings. My own view is that is that he’ll be gone next season at some point but just like the SMT seem to have realised that we need better quality recruitment for players I hope they realise that the manager choice is key and go for the absolute best candidate they can.
Asking for Curbs to be sacked, I'm not having that. I agree with giving managers time, however, the position we're in is not good and IF he was kept throughout February but we were in a worse position than we are now it is inevitable that he'll be sacked.
I sat in the West Stand and I couldn’t believe the amount of times I heard that Curbs had taken us as far as he could.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Of all the problems currently facing the club the fans are way down on the list.
Sections of the fan base have called for the sacking of every manager we’ve had since and including Curbishley whenever the team have a bad run. Appleton wasn’t the correct choice imho but he’s in the chair and we must break the cycle of demanding sackings. My own view is that is that he’ll be gone next season at some point but just like the SMT seem to have realised that we need better quality recruitment for players I hope they realise that the manager choice is key and go for the absolute best candidate they can.
Asking for Curbs to be sacked, I'm not having that. I agree with giving managers time, however, the position we're in is not good and IF he was kept throughout February but we were in a worse position than we are now it is inevitable that he'll be sacked.
I sat in the West Stand and I couldn’t believe the amount of times I heard that Curbs had taken us as far as he could.
Oh the heady day's when 7th in the Prem was considered not good enough!!...🙄
Let give Pearcey a go until the end of the season, hopefully he can secure us League 1 status, and then bring in a manager with a good track record of promotion from League 1. Personally Id like to see Nathan Jones as the manager.
Appleton had actually lost the majority of the fans on 8 September when he was appointed.
The current terrible run that started when we were humiliated by Cray Valley Paper Mills, has now shown anyone who actually supported Appleton back in September, that Appleton is not the manager to take the club forward.
He has lost the fans, and now appears to have lost the team.
Let give Pearcey a go until the end of the season, hopefully he can secure us League 1 status, and then bring in a manager with a good track record of promotion from League 1.
And I’ll tell you what will happen. He’ll give the team a boost and do ok. Then they’ll be a clamour to give him the job permanently and we’ll be back to square one. If Appleton is replaced we should go hell for leather to bring in someone that costs money and has a track record and get them in asap.
Yeah need a new guy asap so he can get to work ensuring we stay up, hopefully a good end to the season leading to some optimism for next, hit the ground running for next season.
Let give Pearcey a go until the end of the season, hopefully he can secure us League 1 status, and then bring in a manager with a good track record of promotion from League 1.
And I’ll tell you what will happen. He’ll give the team a boost and do ok. Then they’ll be a clamour to give him the job permanently and we’ll be back to square one. If Appleton is replaced we should go hell for leather to bring in someone that costs money and has a track record and get them in asap.
Agree. Id hope that Pearce would give us a bounce and hopefully enough wins to keep us up, he doesn't need to win every game. Id rather he was a temp option so he doesn't go perm, have a bad run, get sacked and then leave the club entirely.
Jones would be my preference because we already have a link with him, and he has recent success at this level.
A few weeks ago my thinking was that the squad isn't great and he needs to be given some time to see what he can do when better players are brought in. But although the squad has been poor, we're not that poor. We should still be getting results against the likes of Burton, Port Vale, Orient, Cambridge and Carlisle.
I'm going to assume he won't be sacked before Northampton but if we fail to win on Tuesday then he has to go before we're sucked into a proper relegation battle. After Tuesday can anyone honestly see us picking up many results in the next 7 games with him in charge? We play Derby twice as well as Blackpool, Bolton and Portsmouth.
If the ownership are prepared to spend decent money on bringing in better quality players with the aim of finishing this season strongly and then launching a promotion push next season, then they need to do the same with the man who is leading them. Appleton isn't going to have us contending.
If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Of all the problems currently facing the club the fans are way down on the list.
Sections of the fan base have called for the sacking of every manager we’ve had since and including Curbishley whenever the team have a bad run. Appleton wasn’t the correct choice imho but he’s in the chair and we must break the cycle of demanding sackings. My own view is that is that he’ll be gone next season at some point but just like the SMT seem to have realised that we need better quality recruitment for players I hope they realise that the manager choice is key and go for the absolute best candidate they can.
Asking for Curbs to be sacked, I'm not having that. I agree with giving managers time, however, the position we're in is not good and IF he was kept throughout February but we were in a worse position than we are now it is inevitable that he'll be sacked.
I sat in the West Stand and I couldn’t believe the amount of times I heard that Curbs had taken us as far as he could.
That’s as maybe…..however, very very few were actually suggesting he should be sacked.
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Able to readjust a winter beanie without inciting a riot? No
he has to go!!!
My advice to Appleton would be, Thomas may be a problem in a month or so but he seems comfortable in a three and Ness and Jones don't and they are clearly lacking in confidence. They should be dropped on Tuesday night. We have a more natural wing back than T Watson in Asiimwe so that is the other obvious change. Then possibly bring Ladapo on from the bench to help ease him in and start May and Kanu. I think Kanu is close. Edun seems to have woken up to what his role is and should be praised and encouraged to continue like this and we can see where he goes. We don't have a replacement at this stage but we should be looking for one before another striker.
Some will claim its because managers thought our fans are too negative or how quickly they sacked Holden, I believe that is nonsense.
I expect it was more to do with ideologies like the 8/8/8 squad building.
Trying to sell to a proven quality or rising star manager that we will never provide a first 11 of promotion quality and that a third of your squad needs to be from the academy no matter the current crops ability.
I honestly find it baffling that they publicised this to us.
In my mind there is no point in sacking Appleton if you are just going to bring in another journeyman league one manager, or a punt on someone in our own coaching set up. The circle just continues.
I am sure AFC Wimbledon fans were where we are at with Appleton with Jackson last year after they went months without a win - but he has managed to turn it around a bit this year - so it does say something about sticking with managers.
That being said, my preference would be to move Appleton on now and bring in Duff.
I agree with giving managers time, however, the position we're in is not good and IF he was kept throughout February but we were in a worse position than we are now it is inevitable that he'll be sacked.
Tuesday night attendances at the Valley are notoriously low. If this individual is still charge for the Northampton game, then yes it will be toxic, but a lot of people won’t bother going in a ground that will be 25% full on a January evening
This board cannot be that naive when the results have been unacceptable.
Wouldn’t trust the SMT as far as I could throw them.
Oh the heady day's when 7th in the Prem was considered not good enough!!...🙄
He has lost the fans, and now appears to have lost the team.
Things need to change, and change very fast.
Jones would be my preference because we already have a link with him, and he has recent success at this level.
I'm going to assume he won't be sacked before Northampton but if we fail to win on Tuesday then he has to go before we're sucked into a proper relegation battle. After Tuesday can anyone honestly see us picking up many results in the next 7 games with him in charge? We play Derby twice as well as Blackpool, Bolton and Portsmouth.
If the ownership are prepared to spend decent money on bringing in better quality players with the aim of finishing this season strongly and then launching a promotion push next season, then they need to do the same with the man who is leading them. Appleton isn't going to have us contending.
going for the cheap option and/or managers that have achieved nothing in League One at least.