Appleton is a dead man walking. He'll get pelters even before kick off, chants during the game, and booed off win or lose. Lose or draw he's toast, win he limps on for another game but it's just prolonging the agony. There is no way back. Just get rid tomorrow and be done with it.
I like to think it’ll be announced Monday. No smoke without fire and all that. Probably because (1) today’s a Sunday and (2) it won’t be announced until they have it clear who’ll be doing his job.
I don't know if the stats back it up, but my perception is that the majority of promotions from League One are won by managers in their first job or certainly still earlier in their careers. If managers are any good, they might start at this level but they don't stay here for long. To win promotion from this league you need players capable of playing the Championship. I think you also need a manager/coach capable of managing in the Championship. Nothing in Appleton's record suggests he is, or ever was, good enough for that level so his appointment never made sense from day one.
If we're getting rid of him then in my opinion we should not be looking at well-known names, unless we can somehow tempt someone down to this level who you would really expect to be managing higher. That would be a very tough sell, so our chances of attracting a good enough manager to get us promoted are probably improved if we look for bright and ambitious young coach taking their first steps in management. The added wrinkle for us is we have rarely done well with managers with no previous connection to the club. Northerners don't seem to fair well down here either (Jimmy Seed aside).
I don't know who to suggest, I just don't know enough about what is going on at other clubs, but, for me, that is the general profile of manager we need to be finding. I'm hesitant on Bowyer and Powell. Bowyer could be a good fit for the squad, but will he work well with Andy Scott and head coach not manager structure? Same perhaps goes for Powell plus I'm not sure he would want to set up in a way that suits the squad we currently have.
Appointing a manager like that is always a bit of a gamble, though. I think we've had a run of managers that would probably be better suited to being assistants, and there's the risk of getting someone in that mould again. That said, experienced managers haven't really worked out for us either. The coaches I can think of off the top of my head who have a connection to the club are Jason Pearce (who doesn't seem to feel he's ready yet), Jason Euell and Andy Hughes (a northerner, though).
It is more of a gamble but with a greater upside. Appleton and Adkins were supposed to be experienced safe pairs of hands but that didn’t go great, either.
To be honest, our club has been such a mess, that the issues have always been about more than simply who the manager is. Looking at what has and hasn’t worked for us probably isn’t that helpful (because, really, nothing has worked recently) so looking at what has worked for other teams might serve us better. That seems to generally be new managers.
Whether we have people running the club who can attract and select the right first time manager is another question. I think fortune favours the brave in these situations though.
For what it is worth I believe Reams is correct and Appleton is gone.
There may be some loose ends to tie up, but Appleton is history!
He said his source wasnt his usual and he may have been fed false info but he still believes it will happen
fingers crossed as he is usually bang on the money most the time
Is he really?
From what i have seen over time yes ! Same as quite a few on here aswell !
I really dont get the deep hatred both this place and his have against eachother always seeing digs and harsh things said really and truthfully we are all charlton fans and want the best for the club and i just come on here and there hoping to see the smallest bit of positivity
yes we can all have different opinions but its all abit boring now
The other forum has posted that Appleton has been sacked. Whether this is true or a case of an “in the know” not actually knowing anything, remains to be seen.
I will however be keeping my fingers & toes crossed 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
Appleton is a dead man walking. He'll get pelters even before kick off, chants during the game, and booed off win or lose. Lose or draw he's toast, win he limps on for another game but it's just prolonging the agony. There is no way back. Just get rid tomorrow and be done with it.
Nope, if we (somehow) beat Northampton he’ll be hailed as a hero and it’ll be “Michael Appleton’s red & white army” ringing out around the Valley.
The other forum has posted that Appleton has been sacked. Whether this is true or a case of an “in the know” not actually knowing anything, remains to be seen.
I will however be keeping my fingers & toes crossed 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
The other forum has posted that Appleton has been sacked. Whether this is true or a case of an “in the know” not actually knowing anything, remains to be seen.
I will however be keeping my fingers & toes crossed 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
I don't know if the stats back it up, but my perception is that the majority of promotions from League One are won by managers in their first job or certainly still earlier in their careers. If managers are any good, they might start at this level but they don't stay here for long. To win promotion from this league you need players capable of playing the Championship. I think you also need a manager/coach capable of managing in the Championship. Nothing in Appleton's record suggests he is, or ever was, good enough for that level so his appointment never made sense from day one.
If we're getting rid of him then in my opinion we should not be looking at well-known names, unless we can somehow tempt someone down to this level who you would really expect to be managing higher. That would be a very tough sell, so our chances of attracting a good enough manager to get us promoted are probably improved if we look for bright and ambitious young coach taking their first steps in management. The added wrinkle for us is we have rarely done well with managers with no previous connection to the club. Northerners don't seem to fair well down here either (Jimmy Seed aside).
I don't know who to suggest, I just don't know enough about what is going on at other clubs, but, for me, that is the general profile of manager we need to be finding. I'm hesitant on Bowyer and Powell. Bowyer could be a good fit for the squad, but will he work well with Andy Scott and head coach not manager structure? Same perhaps goes for Powell plus I'm not sure he would want to set up in a way that suits the squad we currently have.
It’s why I generally prefer to gamble on a young manager than go for managers like Slade, Adkins and Appleton. If they were that good they’d have a Championship job or higher.
I’m not sure there’s someone like that at the moment. It made sense with Powell, Bowyer and Jackson. I don’t get the same feeling with Pearce or Euell, so I’d be happy to see Duff or similar come on. Just don’t want to see another like the first three I mentioned. No doubt they can talk the talk in an interview, and while they didn’t have great squads they all underachieved with what they had/have.
I imagine that one way or another he's on borrowed time. But any announcements will not be made just yet for various reasons - whether they hope to have someone straight through the door, or the SMT need one or more of the actual owners to sign off on something, or even just to try and work out some way to spin it as anything other than the complete and utter cluster fuck it has been pretty much since the actual appointment.
As Airman has tweeted, this does not look very good for their credibility at all. Even if (when?) he does go then it has pretty much undone all the good PR and morale stuff the new signings had done.
Scott and Methven must surely know that getting it wrong again means it's their necks in the (metaphorical) noose next.
If we go a goal down on Tuesday that is going to horrible for him. Not that he cares
What evidence do you have that he doesn’t care? Strange thing to say Croydon.🧐
I haven't seen a shred of emotion from him since he's been here. I genuinely doubt he gives a shit
I thought this right from the start. It just struck me that this guy was just after a payout. His whole demeanour whilst in post seems to back this up
We’ve had players like Gunter and Watson here just to earn a decent contract and not putting everything into their performances. Never really hear it said about managers but it’s not much of a stretch to believe some will happily take jobs despite not being fully committed to put everything into it. They know they’ll either succeed or get the sack and a nice payoff. At a club like ours they can blame it on the ownership and fan expectations then move on to another job.
Arrogant and based on very little in recent years. Fine line between arrogance and confidence and this man has overstepped it by long way
This is what I don’t get. What is the evidence for the supposed arrogance? I want him out because he’s a terrible manager. I couldn’t care less how demonstrative he is on the touchline and I don’t really get the vitriol that is all over this thread. Either I’ve missed something or a lot of people are confusing incompetence with an obnoxious personality.
If we go a goal down on Tuesday that is going to horrible for him. Not that he cares
What evidence do you have that he doesn’t care? Strange thing to say Croydon.🧐
I haven't seen a shred of emotion from him since he's been here. I genuinely doubt he gives a shit
Exactly. What Holden lacked in tactical knowledge he made up for in enthusiasm. In the end it didn’t work but at least he gave the fans something. Appleton gives me fuck all. No emotion, no enthusiasm, no like ability. He’s just dull as fuck and shit to go with it.
I don't know if the stats back it up, but my perception is that the majority of promotions from League One are won by managers in their first job or certainly still earlier in their careers. If managers are any good, they might start at this level but they don't stay here for long. To win promotion from this league you need players capable of playing the Championship. I think you also need a manager/coach capable of managing in the Championship. Nothing in Appleton's record suggests he is, or ever was, good enough for that level so his appointment never made sense from day one.
If we're getting rid of him then in my opinion we should not be looking at well-known names, unless we can somehow tempt someone down to this level who you would really expect to be managing higher. That would be a very tough sell, so our chances of attracting a good enough manager to get us promoted are probably improved if we look for bright and ambitious young coach taking their first steps in management. The added wrinkle for us is we have rarely done well with managers with no previous connection to the club. Northerners don't seem to fair well down here either (Jimmy Seed aside).
I don't know who to suggest, I just don't know enough about what is going on at other clubs, but, for me, that is the general profile of manager we need to be finding. I'm hesitant on Bowyer and Powell. Bowyer could be a good fit for the squad, but will he work well with Andy Scott and head coach not manager structure? Same perhaps goes for Powell plus I'm not sure he would want to set up in a way that suits the squad we currently have.
It’s why I generally prefer to gamble on a young manager than go for managers like Slade, Adkins and Appleton. If they were that good they’d have a Championship job or higher.
I’m not sure there’s someone like that at the moment. It made sense with Powell, Bowyer and Jackson. I don’t get the same feeling with Pearce or Euell, so I’d be happy to see Duff or similar come on. Just don’t want to see another like the first three I mentioned. No doubt they can talk the talk in an interview, and while they didn’t have great squads they all underachieved with what they had/have.
I agree there’s probably no one in house right now. Euell would be the only one who might AND has previous affiliations with us, but don’t know if he wants to be a manager or not. There has to be someone out there in the wider world of football. Where you’re from and who you’ve previously worked for shouldn’t, logically at least, be a barrier to doing well here if they are good enough.
If we go a goal down on Tuesday that is going to horrible for him. Not that he cares
What evidence do you have that he doesn’t care? Strange thing to say Croydon.🧐
I haven't seen a shred of emotion from him since he's been here. I genuinely doubt he gives a shit
Exactly. What Holden lacked in tactical knowledge he made up for in enthusiasm. In the end it didn’t work but at least he gave the fans something. Appleton gives me fuck all. No emotion, no enthusiasm, no like ability. He’s just dull as fuck and shit to go with it.
Says post match that the players weren't doing what they were supposed to in the second half, yet didn't make any attempt to tell them from the sideline either. Just stood still with his hands in his pockets.
In all those late goals we conceded I never saw one reaction from him. Not one recoil in frustration, anger or disappointment. It's just weird.
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We are quite good at losing though, even though I don't want us to.
To be honest, our club has been such a mess, that the issues have always been about more than simply who the manager is. Looking at what has and hasn’t worked for us probably isn’t that helpful (because, really, nothing has worked recently) so looking at what has worked for other teams might serve us better. That seems to generally be new managers.
I really dont get the deep hatred both this place and his have against eachother always seeing digs and harsh things said really and truthfully we are all charlton fans and want the best for the club and i just come on here and there hoping to see the smallest bit of positivity
The other forum has posted that Appleton has been sacked. Whether this is true or a case of an “in the know” not actually knowing anything, remains to be seen.
I’m not sure there’s someone like that at the moment. It made sense with Powell, Bowyer and Jackson. I don’t get the same feeling with Pearce or Euell, so I’d be happy to see Duff or similar come on. Just don’t want to see another like the first three I mentioned. No doubt they can talk the talk in an interview, and while they didn’t have great squads they all underachieved with what they had/have.
As Airman has tweeted, this does not look very good for their credibility at all. Even if (when?) he does go then it has pretty much undone all the good PR and morale stuff the new signings had done.
Scott and Methven must surely know that getting it wrong again means it's their necks in the (metaphorical) noose next.
And we know what that generally means......
In all those late goals we conceded I never saw one reaction from him. Not one recoil in frustration, anger or disappointment. It's just weird.
He gets offed and we get the points. Win win.