It just felt like yesterday there was too many well connected people all saying the same thing for it to be complete nonsense with no foundations. Maybe something did come up structurally or legally that's delayed things but it's not a good look for senior management.
There are no such thing as legal delays to a sacking in football, managers get sacked or placed on gardening leave, then the lawyers do their bit. Something odd is happening but I doubt anybody knows what it is, even those involved. Maddest football club ever.
If people are told things in good faith, and then share it, especially if they are told by multiple different sources, then its wrong to shoot the messenger. Let's face it, it wasn't just @DubaiCAFC who said he'd gone and didn't take training, others on here and elsewhere said the same! What transpired after all the reports, I haven't got a clue, I've never been ITK, but to me there's no smoke without fire. Did the owners overule the SMT?, did MA refuse a mutual agreement? Or were the people who fed info to the different posters being used? I really don't have a clue, however I'm sure info shared was as accurate, at the time. I do believe if he losses tonight his gone pronto!
Not sure tonight's result will matter.. I wouldn't be surprised to see more than Appleton's head roll
Jim Rodwell has a very cosy, fireside chat style of talking and it is very easy to be lulled into a soporific state.
However, during the online fan meeting 12 days ago, I woke up with a start when he spoke about the ownership group. He said that the SMT had presented to them in January. Rodwell said, "The ownership group - as they have done consistently - have given us the tools to do the job". After their January presentation the owners said. "OK, if that's what you need to be successful then we're happy to fund that".
Well I think if I was an owner signing off bucket loads of money to these people my first port of call would be to Rodwell, Methwin, Scott, Elliot and whoever else is hanging with them and look to make some changes there.
If people are told things in good faith, and then share it, especially if they are told by multiple different sources, then its wrong to shoot the messenger. Let's face it, it wasn't just @DubaiCAFC who said he'd gone and didn't take training, others on here and elsewhere said the same! What transpired after all the reports, I haven't got a clue, I've never been ITK, but to me there's no smoke without fire. Did the owners overule the SMT?, did MA refuse a mutual agreement? Or were the people who fed info to the different posters being used? I really don't have a clue, however I'm sure info shared was as accurate, at the time. I do believe if he losses tonight his gone pronto!
I haven't seen anyone shooting the messenger.
The club is being mismanaged. So many owners with a finger in the pot and a non convincing group running the day to day club stuff. What could possibly go wrong?
Someone posted earlier that they reckon the money men said no as they don't want to pay the wages of three managers at one time. I reckon this could have substance.
relationships must be at an all time low of we've sacked him and then reinstated him at the request/directions of the money men!
I don't know what's worse, sacking him and then telling him it's a misunderstanding or being sacked and going back to work the next day!!!
another day, another Charlton soap opera
Not sure that’s correct they would come to an agreement to pay remaining months of contract .. not continuing to pay them .. there no way the club sacked him and asked him to come back that’s just ridiculous … plus this is only the second manager that they had to pay compensation to so it would not bother them that much if and when they decide it’s time ..
If people are told things in good faith, and then share it, especially if they are told by multiple different sources, then its wrong to shoot the messenger. Let's face it, it wasn't just @DubaiCAFC who said he'd gone and didn't take training, others on here and elsewhere said the same! What transpired after all the reports, I haven't got a clue, I've never been ITK, but to me there's no smoke without fire. Did the owners overule the SMT?, did MA refuse a mutual agreement? Or were the people who fed info to the different posters being used? I really don't have a clue, however I'm sure info shared was as accurate, at the time. I do believe if he losses tonight his gone pronto!
Not sure tonight's result will matter.. I wouldn't be surprised to see more than Appleton's head roll
Interesting, as a rumour I heard at the weekend was AS being overruled on
Dobson and a better offer about to be given to him to keep him at the club.
Dubai has a good record of passing on information from reliable sources and when Covered end says the same thing then I believe that the intention was to sack Michael Appleton because of the tsunami of negativity after a terrible run of results. "Done deal" by AB or "He's gone" by Dubai & co was I'm sure the info passed on. Last minute hiccup can turn into a giant burp if legal or lack of time to get a replacement in (even Interim or caretaker) for tonight's game suddenly stopped the seasonal (Autumn, Winter etc) sacking.
We have several new players who must wonder what they have come into. A club in decline is the answer unless they can all be better than the players they replace and some form of passion, skill and nous can suddenly be imbued into our ailing side.
So a man who seems unable to motivate his players or instill any consistent drive, belief or desire into them will take charge for another game tonight. This against widespread social media declarations that he had been sacked, which no doubt he would be aware met with the general approval of a considerable portion of the fan base. This sacking has reportedly been botched leaving the situation in an unresolved mess. He will lead the team out in this must win game with at best at lack of support from the fan base and at worst outright hostility. Look away now. Can we actually sink any lower
Sounds as if things have got really messy.. It isn't going to end well that's for sure.. I think tonight is going to be extremely toxic tonight at the valley.. Maybe never like this to a manager before!
I know you only share what you’re told, and for that I’m grateful, but I assume you must question the veracity of your own sources given that you told us:
“He has gone, he was told on Saturday night, the set up for the next few games was arranged yesterday, it hasn't been announced yet, is because of legal stuff!
I have reconfirmed 3 or 4 times with different sources, and same answer every time..”
To be fair, Dubai wasn't the only person to say this.
something has gone on. My view is that he was either told to leave mutually but he said no or the investors overruled the smt
As I said, I checked with 3 or 4 different people, and same message was coming out.. In particular one person who have been very close to this, and was all saying the same thing now..
But all I am getting now, is 'we can't say much, but it is a mess'
It's been a mess since Charlie Methven and Co. walked through the door and it will only get worse until he walks out of it.
If people are told things in good faith, and then share it, especially if they are told by multiple different sources, then its wrong to shoot the messenger. Let's face it, it wasn't just @DubaiCAFC who said he'd gone and didn't take training, others on here and elsewhere said the same! What transpired after all the reports, I haven't got a clue, I've never been ITK, but to me there's no smoke without fire. Did the owners overule the SMT?, did MA refuse a mutual agreement? Or were the people who fed info to the different posters being used? I really don't have a clue, however I'm sure info shared was as accurate, at the time. I do believe if he losses tonight his gone pronto!
Not sure tonight's result will matter.. I wouldn't be surprised to see more than Appleton's head roll
And that should be the case.
I would hope that provided by this point there is still the appetite and cash to do anything about it, Scott has got a maximum of one more manager or one more transfer window to improve this football club and start delivering. Based on how his first 12 months of involvement has gone, he's pretty lucky to get that.
Why has @DubaiCAFC had to have been misled? Is it not a possibility that what he shared was absolutely correct?…at that time! There is so much more to this which may or may not ever come to light.
Well it can’t be correct - because Michael Appleton hasn’t “gone”. I don’t think Dubai fabricated this at all - I just think maybe his connection(s) didn’t have the full picture.
I think this is the bi-product of Charlton’s convoluted structure.
You’ve got god knows how many people with an ownership stake. Just because one of them offer a view and insight, doesn’t mean it will then be a carried finalisation. Same with the ‘UK management team’. Then chuck in all the usual ‘someone who works at the training ground / The Valley’, or knows a players dad, or X’s agent etc and you got so many potential messages out, which if they were correct about so and so signing in the past then get interpreted as everything they say is fact when that might not necessarily be the case.
Yep, as I said yesterday probably only about two people (most likely in the US) really have the full picture of what’s going on and with the greatest respect they aren’t going to be telling people who will be putting it straight on the internet.
I would guess that the previously reliable contacts of our verified “ITK” posters (which definitely includes Dubai) are now only partially in the know.
I'm wondering if the gap between ownership and SMT is a factor here?
In securing the funds needed to get new players maybe the pitch from the SMT was 'We have the right head coach but he needs the right players'. Having had that sell agreed it then becomes very difficult, a couple of weeks later, to say 'Oh, actually investors, can we pay off the man whose praises we were singing a few days ago? We didn't realise he was shit'.
That turnaround would make individuals in the SMT fearful of their own jobs. Pure speculation of course but it's the type of scenario that makes me uncomfortable with a SMT relatively remote from the money men, internal politics plays a part.
Why has @DubaiCAFC had to have been misled? Is it not a possibility that what he shared was absolutely correct?…at that time! There is so much more to this which may or may not ever come to light.
Well it can’t be correct - because Michael Appleton hasn’t “gone”. I don’t think Dubai fabricated this at all - I just think maybe his connection(s) didn’t have the full picture.
I think this is the bi-product of Charlton’s convoluted structure.
You’ve got god knows how many people with an ownership stake. Just because one of them offer a view and insight, doesn’t mean it will then be a carried finalisation. Same with the ‘UK management team’. Then chuck in all the usual ‘someone who works at the training ground / The Valley’, or knows a players dad, or X’s agent etc and you got so many potential messages out, which if they were correct about so and so signing in the past then get interpreted as everything they say is fact when that might not necessarily be the case.
Yep, as I said yesterday probably only about two people (most likely in the US) really have the full picture of what’s going on and with the greatest respect they aren’t going to be telling people who will be putting it straight on the internet.
I would guess that the previously reliable contacts of our verified “ITK” posters (which definitely includes Dubai) are now only partially in the know.
two people in the US?? Who are they.. Last time I looked, our ownership model is more than 2 people in the US.. And if you are to believe the rumours on here they want and have little input..
Personally I still think he will be gone before the weekend, what ever the result.
Given what seems total confusion and a complete mess, along with the near certainty of reliable itk posters like Dubai here and Reams elsewhere that he’d gone. I can only assume that people who have the money and not day to day involvement have now got involved and put a halt, either temporarily or permanently on the SMT while they assess what’s going on.
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
Everyone’s situation is different. Every link to the club is different.
From my perspective, I have a pretty clear link. One of my investors is involved in GFP. But he’s not publicly known to be - per se. A few people on here know what I do so it’s not some big secret.
What that means is that I can share a view that doesn’t necessarily align with his. And I can be vocal about that. I want Chris Powell back - that’s my view and mine alone.
But the last thing I would ever do is share anything particularly sensitive that he told me on a public forum. Why do people do that? Surely you are placing loads of people at risk.
And frankly if he had knowledge of what’s happening with a manager, he isn’t going to go around sharing that knowing I am a fan and will be on forums like this! That’s not real life.
I always treat any sources with a pinch of salt that I see on here - they may or may not be accurate.
But from my side, if you genuinely are close to someone involved at the club, you’re not gonna start positing it on Charlton Life.
If people are told things in good faith, and then share it, especially if they are told by multiple different sources, then its wrong to shoot the messenger. Let's face it, it wasn't just @DubaiCAFC who said he'd gone and didn't take training, others on here and elsewhere said the same! What transpired after all the reports, I haven't got a clue, I've never been ITK, but to me there's no smoke without fire. Did the owners overule the SMT?, did MA refuse a mutual agreement? Or were the people who fed info to the different posters being used? I really don't have a clue, however I'm sure info shared was as accurate, at the time. I do believe if he losses tonight his gone pronto!
Not sure tonight's result will matter.. I wouldn't be surprised to see more than Appleton's head roll
Hopefully the entire senior management team. The present lot come across as being incompetent amateurs.
If nothing else, hopefully the directors have been on the phone to various coaches over the last few days to gauge interest.
I know it’s League 2 but when Colchester sacked Etherington, they appointed the Cowley’s within a couple of days.
Same with Shrewsbury. Sacked Taylor, and looks like Hurst had already been lined up. I would hope the delay (if there is one) is because Scott, Methvan and whoever else want to line up Appleton’s replacement first.
Here's another possibility. It was all bollocks. People read rumours on here or elsewhere and then share them with their mates as if they've heard it themselves. And then they again get shared on here, and the circle continues. It's a snowball effect.
Are you trying to tell me my best mates cousins dog walker isn't a reliable source of Charlton rumours?
Given what seems total confusion and a complete mess, along with the near certainty of reliable itk posters like Dubai here and Reams elsewhere that he’d gone. I can only assume that people who have the money and not day to day involvement have now got involved and put a halt, either temporarily or permanently on the SMT while they assess what’s going on.
If that is the case let’s just hope they don’t do a Nero and fiddle whilst Rome burns, time is of the essence!
Everyone’s situation is different. Every link to the club is different.
From my perspective, I have a pretty clear link. One of my investors is involved in GFP. But he’s not publicly known to be - per se. A few people on here know what I do so it’s not some big secret.
What that means is that I can share a view that doesn’t necessarily align with his. And I can be vocal about that. I want Chris Powell back - that’s my view and mine alone.
But the last thing I would ever do is share anything particularly sensitive that he told me on a public forum. Why do people do that? Surely you are placing loads of people at risk.
And frankly if he had knowledge of what’s happening with a manager, he isn’t going to go around sharing that knowing I am a fan and will be on forums like this! That’s not real life.
I always treat any sources with a pinch of salt that I see on here - they may or may not be accurate.
But from my side, if you genuinely are close to someone involved at the club, you’re not gonna start positing it on Charlton Life.
That's fair enough Damo, and like always, must always check with them that it is okay to post.. Don't post half the stuff I get told.. But I fully understand, certain things are leaked to me, so it will be posted to have a positive or a negative impact, and some times I chose not to post it, as I don't think it is right
In all the years I have supported Charlton - and its a lot - Appleton leading the team out tonight will be one of the weirdest things I have ever seen. And believe me, there have been a lot.
And what purpose will it achieve,? 98% of fans want him gone. And gone now. Even if we nick a win - or unbelievably win comfortably - as soon as we go behind in a future game all the negative chants about him will start up straight away.
How much better it would have been just to have a clean break with him. Lord knows why the powers that be didn't do it.
I haven't read any of this but i will tell you one thing i am sick to death of this fucking merry go round.
get average manager in that wants a job and will take anything. Inherits old squad he didn't employ and tries his best, normally does well at the start gets a few players in he wants and it doesn't go well Everyone starts moaning he gets sacked
and round we go
I genuinely think we need to keep a manager for good or bad for a few years and let him build.
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
Sounds as if things have got really messy.. It isn't going to end well that's for sure.. I think tonight is going to be extremely toxic tonight at the valley.. Maybe never like this to a manager before!
I know you only share what you’re told, and for that I’m grateful, but I assume you must question the veracity of your own sources given that you told us:
“He has gone, he was told on Saturday night, the set up for the next few games was arranged yesterday, it hasn't been announced yet, is because of legal stuff!
I have reconfirmed 3 or 4 times with different sources, and same answer every time..”
To be fair, Dubai wasn't the only person to say this.
something has gone on. My view is that he was either told to leave mutually but he said no or the investors overruled the smt
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However, during the online fan meeting 12 days ago, I woke up with a start when he spoke about the ownership group. He said that the SMT had presented to them in January. Rodwell said, "The ownership group - as they have done consistently - have given us the tools to do the job". After their January presentation the owners said. "OK, if that's what you need to be successful then we're happy to fund that".
Well I think if I was an owner signing off bucket loads of money to these people my first port of call would be to Rodwell, Methwin, Scott, Elliot and whoever else is hanging with them and look to make some changes there.
Interesting, as a rumour I heard at the weekend was AS being overruled on Dobson and a better offer about to be given to him to keep him at the club.
"Done deal" by AB or "He's gone" by Dubai & co was I'm sure the info passed on. Last minute hiccup can turn into a giant burp if legal or lack of time to get a replacement in (even Interim or caretaker) for tonight's game suddenly stopped the seasonal (Autumn, Winter etc) sacking.
We have several new players who must wonder what they have come into. A club in decline is the answer unless they can all be better than the players they replace and some form of passion, skill and nous can suddenly be imbued into our ailing side.
This against widespread social media declarations that he had been sacked, which no doubt he would be aware met with the general approval of a considerable portion of the fan base.
This sacking has reportedly been botched leaving the situation in an unresolved mess.
He will lead the team out in this must win game with at best at lack of support from the fan base and at worst outright hostility.
Look away now.
Can we actually sink any lower
I would hope that provided by this point there is still the appetite and cash to do anything about it, Scott has got a maximum of one more manager or one more transfer window to improve this football club and start delivering. Based on how his first 12 months of involvement has gone, he's pretty lucky to get that.
In securing the funds needed to get new players maybe the pitch from the SMT was 'We have the right head coach but he needs the right players'. Having had that sell agreed it then becomes very difficult, a couple of weeks later, to say 'Oh, actually investors, can we pay off the man whose praises we were singing a few days ago? We didn't realise he was shit'.
That turnaround would make individuals in the SMT fearful of their own jobs. Pure speculation of course but it's the type of scenario that makes me uncomfortable with a SMT relatively remote from the money men, internal politics plays a part.
Personally I still think he will be gone before the weekend, what ever the result.
My guess is that something changed last minute , or the person making the decision to sack Appleton (presumably Scott) was overuled.
It's all very strange, but I'd love to have been a fly on the wall yesterday.
Just another mad day at Charlton athletic
From my perspective, I have a pretty clear link. One of my investors is involved in GFP. But he’s not publicly known to be - per se. A few people on here know what I do so it’s not some big secret.
But the last thing I would ever do is share anything particularly sensitive that he told me on a public forum. Why do people do that? Surely you are placing loads of people at risk.
And frankly if he had knowledge of what’s happening with a manager, he isn’t going to go around sharing that knowing I am a fan and will be on forums like this! That’s not real life.
I always treat any sources with a pinch of salt that I see on here - they may or may not be accurate.
The present lot come across as being incompetent amateurs.
I know it’s League 2 but when Colchester sacked Etherington, they appointed the Cowley’s within a couple of days.
And what purpose will it achieve,? 98% of fans want him gone. And gone now. Even if we nick a win - or unbelievably win comfortably - as soon as we go behind in a future game all the negative chants about him will start up straight away.
How much better it would have been just to have a clean break with him. Lord knows why the powers that be didn't do it.
get average manager in that wants a job and will take anything.
Inherits old squad he didn't employ and tries his best, normally does well at the start
gets a few players in he wants and it doesn't go well
Everyone starts moaning
he gets sacked
and round we go
I genuinely think we need to keep a manager for good or bad for a few years and let him build.