Sounds as if things have got really messy.. It isn't going to end well that's for sure.. I think tonight is going to be extremely toxic tonight at the valley.. Maybe never like this to a manager before!
I know you only share what you’re told, and for that I’m grateful, but I assume you must question the veracity of your own sources given that you told us:
“He has gone, he was told on Saturday night, the set up for the next few games was arranged yesterday, it hasn't been announced yet, is because of legal stuff!
I have reconfirmed 3 or 4 times with different sources, and same answer every time..”
To be fair, Dubai wasn't the only person to say this.
something has gone on. My view is that he was either told to leave mutually but he said no or the investors overruled the smt
I go for the latter.
I’m not sure, I find it hard to believe that the owners would be willing to spend money on players, but would risk relegation and the loss of revenue that comes with that, because they are unwilling to spend the money on sacking Appleton.
Would seem counter intuitive to me. But who knows.
Sounds as if things have got really messy.. It isn't going to end well that's for sure.. I think tonight is going to be extremely toxic tonight at the valley.. Maybe never like this to a manager before!
I know you only share what you’re told, and for that I’m grateful, but I assume you must question the veracity of your own sources given that you told us:
“He has gone, he was told on Saturday night, the set up for the next few games was arranged yesterday, it hasn't been announced yet, is because of legal stuff!
I have reconfirmed 3 or 4 times with different sources, and same answer every time..”
To be fair, Dubai wasn't the only person to say this.
something has gone on. My view is that he was either told to leave mutually but he said no or the investors overruled the smt
I go for the latter.
I’m not sure, I find it hard to believe that the owners would be willing to spend money on players, but would risk relegation and the loss of revenue that comes with that, because they are unwilling to spend the money on sacking Appleton.
Would seem counter intuitive to me. But who knows.
Might be something in his contract that there is a cheaper break clause in the summer. As the club probably didn’t consider relegation being an issue but thought they might want to reassess in the summer if Appleton hadn’t done that well
Sounds as if things have got really messy.. It isn't going to end well that's for sure.. I think tonight is going to be extremely toxic tonight at the valley.. Maybe never like this to a manager before!
I know you only share what you’re told, and for that I’m grateful, but I assume you must question the veracity of your own sources given that you told us:
“He has gone, he was told on Saturday night, the set up for the next few games was arranged yesterday, it hasn't been announced yet, is because of legal stuff!
I have reconfirmed 3 or 4 times with different sources, and same answer every time..”
To be fair, Dubai wasn't the only person to say this.
something has gone on. My view is that he was either told to leave mutually but he said no or the investors overruled the smt
I go for the latter.
I’m not sure, I find it hard to believe that the owners would be willing to spend money on players, but would risk relegation and the loss of revenue that comes with that, because they are unwilling to spend the money on sacking Appleton.
Would seem counter intuitive to me. But who knows.
I would say the yanks are now starting to question the three clowns here and unrest has begun.
I haven't read any of this but i will tell you one thing i am sick to death of this fucking merry go round.
get average manager in that wants a job and will take anything. Inherits old squad he didn't employ and tries his best, normally does well at the start gets a few players in he wants and it doesn't go well Everyone starts moaning he gets sacked
and round we go
I genuinely think we need to keep a manager for good or bad for a few years and let him build.
How many leagues would we have to drop down before the manager gets sacked, with your above scenario?
And also, it’s not ‘everyone starting to moan’ that gets managers sacked - it’s results or lack of.
@DubaiCAFC is well connected so i have no doubt the information he was given was genuine,especially as he said it was verified by 4 different people.
My guess is that something changed last minute , or the person making the decision to sack Appleton (presumably Scott) was overuled.
It's all very strange, but I'd love to have been a fly on the wall yesterday.
Just another mad day at Charlton athletic
Scott needs to go, he's been a total flop here.
He hasn't even been here 6 months yet and by most peoples admission we have improved the squad in this window. You also need to consider he's come into a basketcase of a club that has been mismanaged for years.
Leaving aside the manipulation of individual fans for their own purposes, this has all the hallmarks of a structure in which the decision making process is unclear and therefore fails when a major decision is required.
Looking at the structure this is hardly a surprise. The board of CAFC Ltd is almost entirely employees. Contrary to Paul Elliott, this is not a normal arrangement in the EFL.
Add in the fragmented ownership and it is a recipe for chaos. Employees must be empowered to take the decisions in this situation and removed if they make bad ones.
Methven’s hybrid position, coupled with the question marks over his character and judgement, is a disaster waiting to happen.
Given what seems total confusion and a complete mess, along with the near certainty of reliable itk posters like Dubai here and Reams elsewhere that he’d gone. I can only assume that people who have the money and not day to day involvement have now got involved and put a halt, either temporarily or permanently on the SMT while they assess what’s going on.
I agree with every word.
The noise around contracts is misguided. Every employment contract will include defined terms & conditions for termination. For 90% of executive contracts the final compensation figure will have been defined at the outset.
I strongly suspect the investors have, quite rightly, suspended their funding of the agreed recruitment plan pending clarity from the SMT.
From an investor perspective;
- The SMT will have recommended investors fund a significant recruitment campaign to restructure the squad in part to support the prevailing head coach.
- Now 2 weeks into said campaign with 7 players in the door, other squad adjustments made and more recruitment & funding planned the SMT appears to have chosen to rip up the sanctioned plan to implement a significant change of direction.
There are any number of matters arising.
On what basis was such change of direction agreed and apparently implemented without due advice or financial sanction?
On what basis of business discipline was the nature of such decision leaked to social media?
The SMT, apparently having chosen to implement a change of direction have the responsibility to the business to deliver a clear costed revised business plan for approval.
In the interim budgetary requirements will be restricted to agreed operational costs.
I have no interest in demonising every investor, executive, manager coach or player who walks through the door. I have no doubt of the intent or the circumstances in which this SMT is trying to rebuild this business but if it were me any number of executives will be on notice.
This hiatus may have significantly greater consequences than anyone anticipated.
Maybe the owners had been told before the Burton game that he'd be given more time, so the knee jerk reaction on Saturday night was premature in their eyes, especially given that the next chance for MA to redeem himself comes so soon after. I suspect someone has either intervened or changed their mind for us to end up with him being given another chance, and I doubt the repercussions of this episode will stop with whatever fate now befalls MA.
However, my thoughts are based on my assumption that the information leaked over the weekend and yesterday came from sources within the Club. If it was fake news, then no blame should be attached to the Club, other than for not issuing denials, although it did at some point as tweeted by Cawley IIRC.
Maybe the owners had been told before the Burton game that he'd be given more time, so the knee jerk reaction on Saturday night was premature in their eyes, especially given that the next chance for MA to redeem himself comes so soon after. I suspect someone has either intervened or changed their mind for us to end up with him being given another chance, and I doubt the repercussions of this episode will stop with whatever fate now befalls MA.
However, my thoughts are based on my assumption that the information leaked over the weekend and yesterday came from sources within the Club. If it was fake news, then no blame should be attached to the Club, other than for not issuing denials, although it did at some point as tweeted by Cawley IIRC.
Maybe the owners had been told before the Burton game that he'd be given more time, so the knee jerk reaction on Saturday night was premature in their eyes, especially given that the next chance for MA to redeem himself comes so soon after. I suspect someone has either intervened or changed their mind for us to end up with him being given another chance, and I doubt the repercussions of this episode will stop with whatever fate now befalls MA.
However, my thoughts are based on my assumption that the information leaked over the weekend and yesterday came from sources within the Club. If it was fake news, then no blame should be attached to the Club, other than for not issuing denials, although it did at some point as tweeted by Cawley IIRC.
Of course it came from inside the club.
Come from a number of people within the club.. Something has happened, and now the tone has certainly changed, and little is coming out.. Either they are a bit red in the face, or told to button because of legal situations.
@DubaiCAFC is well connected so i have no doubt the information he was given was genuine,especially as he said it was verified by 4 different people.
My guess is that something changed last minute , or the person making the decision to sack Appleton (presumably Scott) was overuled.
It's all very strange, but I'd love to have been a fly on the wall yesterday.
Just another mad day at Charlton athletic
This seems possible.
We have a convoluted two tier multi-person, international ownership/management group, a blabber mouth director (Methven) and a failing men's team (the women are doing quite well but they have kept the same manager and brought in experienced players).
It's also a very new relationship between the US owners and the UK directors. Trust hasn't yet, most likely, been fully built.
And possibly the same within the UK directors. I can believe that they are all very conscious that they need to keep the moneybags happy and will pass the blame onto a colleague rather than take it themselves.
So a man who seems unable to motivate his players or instill any consistent drive, belief or desire into them will take charge for another game tonight. This against widespread social media declarations that he had been sacked, which no doubt he would be aware met with the general approval of a considerable portion of the fan base. This sacking has reportedly been botched leaving the situation in an unresolved mess. He will lead the team out in this must win game with at best at lack of support from the fan base and at worst outright hostility. Look away now. Can we actually sink any lower
Yes , but hopefully not , need to get behind the players tonight.
Maybe the owners had been told before the Burton game that he'd be given more time, so the knee jerk reaction on Saturday night was premature in their eyes, especially given that the next chance for MA to redeem himself comes so soon after. I suspect someone has either intervened or changed their mind for us to end up with him being given another chance, and I doubt the repercussions of this episode will stop with whatever fate now befalls MA.
However, my thoughts are based on my assumption that the information leaked over the weekend and yesterday came from sources within the Club. If it was fake news, then no blame should be attached to the Club, other than for not issuing denials, although it did at some point as tweeted by Cawley IIRC.
Of course it came from inside the club.
As I have no knowledge of these inside contacts at the Club, I have to take what others post that they have said at face value. I feel it's only right for me to make it clear I'm doing that if I'm going on to speculate based on what's been posted.
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
OK. Can you compare your personal interest in Charlton Athletic with Charlie Methven's? I know which one of the two of you is most likely to get a Charlton crest tattooed on your forearm. The reason why Methven is here is obscure and foggy to say the least, and if it all goes wrong who do you believe will feel the most pain, you or Methven? He will be able to schlepp off to the Kassam to take his mind off things. Maybe what Methven brings to the table which you and I lack is cool intelligent objectivity, coupled with the present miserable failure that is accompanying him at the moment. Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things, Methven being a 'U' is one of mine, is that so bad.
I have always been convinced Methven would be left holding the baby when things go tits up. I'm pretty sure the likes of Friedman and Brener will have walk away clauses up to the eyeballs.
Methven must be on very thin ice and our club in a perilous position.
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
OK. Can you compare your personal interest in Charlton Athletic with Charlie Methven's? I know which one of the two of you is most likely to get a Charlton crest tattooed on your forearm. The reason why Methven is here is obscure and foggy to say the least, and if it all goes wrong who do you believe will feel the most pain, you or Methven? He will be able to schlepp off to the Kassam to take his mind off things. Maybe what Methven brings to the table which you and I lack is cool intelligent objectivity, coupled with the present miserable failure that is accompanying him at the moment. Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things, Methven being a 'U' is one of mine, is that so bad.
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
OK. Can you compare your personal interest in Charlton Athletic with Charlie Methven's? I know which one of the two of you is most likely to get a Charlton crest tattooed on your forearm. The reason why Methven is here is obscure and foggy to say the least, and if it all goes wrong who do you believe will feel the most pain, you or Methven? He will be able to schlepp off to the Kassam to take his mind off things. Maybe what Methven brings to the table which you and I lack is cool intelligent objectivity, coupled with the present miserable failure that is accompanying him at the moment. Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things, Methven being a 'U' is one of mine, is that so bad.
P.S. I don't trust him.
We have had loads of owners and high profile supporters who have previously supported other clubs, did you have an issue with all of them?
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things
Yeah but I think you're #1.
And.....
In what way does that require any elaboration.
I thought you might explain why you put 'but' in your comment? But what?
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
OK. Can you compare your personal interest in Charlton Athletic with Charlie Methven's? I know which one of the two of you is most likely to get a Charlton crest tattooed on your forearm. The reason why Methven is here is obscure and foggy to say the least, and if it all goes wrong who do you believe will feel the most pain, you or Methven? He will be able to schlepp off to the Kassam to take his mind off things. Maybe what Methven brings to the table which you and I lack is cool intelligent objectivity, coupled with the present miserable failure that is accompanying him at the moment. Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things, Methven being a 'U' is one of mine, is that so bad.
P.S. I don't trust him.
We have had loads of owners and high profile supporters who have previously supported other clubs, did you have an issue with all of them?
My issue would be around understanding why they switched from other clubs. I call it the David Mellor curiosity. Anyway I don't believe Methven has switched from Oxford United to Charlton Athletic, do you believe that?
Forgive me. Have people got a problem with Seth because he's got a problem with Methven? Really?
No. I have a problem with the theory that Methven is deliberately doing badly because he's an Oxford fan, which 1.) is nonsensical - he's just incompetent, it's not a conspiracy and 2.) Gets repeatedly bought up over and over and over again.
I've got problems with Methven. I certainly don't like him or think he's much use. But this Oxford stuff is just boring now.
I think it may be the case that the real boss, Methven, is more occupied with thinking about his beloved Oxford United (where Appleton used to work) than being concerned with our progress as a football club.
I wish you’d give it a rest Seth.
OK. Can you compare your personal interest in Charlton Athletic with Charlie Methven's? I know which one of the two of you is most likely to get a Charlton crest tattooed on your forearm. The reason why Methven is here is obscure and foggy to say the least, and if it all goes wrong who do you believe will feel the most pain, you or Methven? He will be able to schlepp off to the Kassam to take his mind off things. Maybe what Methven brings to the table which you and I lack is cool intelligent objectivity, coupled with the present miserable failure that is accompanying him at the moment. Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things, Methven being a 'U' is one of mine, is that so bad.
P.S. I don't trust him.
Yes, can you stop it please?
I am afraid not. As my subsequent posts have demonstrated.
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Would seem counter intuitive to me. But who knows.
And also, it’s not ‘everyone starting to moan’ that gets managers sacked - it’s results or lack of.
Looking at the structure this is hardly a surprise. The board of CAFC Ltd is almost entirely employees. Contrary to Paul Elliott, this is not a normal arrangement in the EFL.
Methven’s hybrid position, coupled with the question marks over his character and judgement, is a disaster waiting to happen.
I strongly suspect the investors have, quite rightly, suspended their funding of the agreed recruitment plan pending clarity from the SMT.
From an investor perspective;
- Now 2 weeks into said campaign with 7 players in the door, other squad adjustments made and more recruitment & funding planned the SMT appears to have chosen to rip up the sanctioned plan to implement a significant change of direction.
On what basis was such change of direction agreed and apparently implemented without due advice or financial sanction?
On what basis of business discipline was the nature of such decision leaked to social media?
The SMT, apparently having chosen to implement a change of direction have the responsibility to the business to deliver a clear costed revised business plan for approval.
In the interim budgetary requirements will be restricted to agreed operational costs.
I have no interest in demonising every investor, executive, manager coach or player who walks through the door. I have no doubt of the intent or the circumstances in which this SMT is trying to rebuild this business but if it were me any number of executives will be on notice.
This hiatus may have significantly greater consequences than anyone anticipated.
However, my thoughts are based on my assumption that the information leaked over the weekend and yesterday came from sources within the Club. If it was fake news, then no blame should be attached to the Club, other than for not issuing denials, although it did at some point as tweeted by Cawley IIRC.
We have a convoluted two tier multi-person, international ownership/management group, a blabber mouth director (Methven) and a failing men's team (the women are doing quite well but they have kept the same manager and brought in experienced players).
It's also a very new relationship between the US owners and the UK directors. Trust hasn't yet, most likely, been fully built.
And possibly the same within the UK directors. I can believe that they are all very conscious that they need to keep the moneybags happy and will pass the blame onto a colleague rather than take it themselves.
Can you compare your personal interest in Charlton Athletic with Charlie Methven's?
I know which one of the two of you is most likely to get a Charlton crest tattooed on your forearm.
The reason why Methven is here is obscure and foggy to say the least, and if it all goes wrong who do you believe will feel the most pain, you or Methven?
He will be able to schlepp off to the Kassam to take his mind off things.
Maybe what Methven brings to the table which you and I lack is cool intelligent objectivity, coupled with the present miserable failure that is accompanying him at the moment.
Plenty of posters are repetitive around certain things, Methven being a 'U' is one of mine, is that so bad.
P.S. I don't trust him.
I'm pretty sure the likes of Friedman and Brener will have walk away clauses up to the eyeballs.
Methven must be on very thin ice and our club in a perilous position.
Have people got a problem with Seth because he's got a problem with Methven?
Really?
But what?
I call it the David Mellor curiosity.
Anyway I don't believe Methven has switched from Oxford United to Charlton Athletic, do you believe that?
I've got problems with Methven. I certainly don't like him or think he's much use. But this Oxford stuff is just boring now.
As my subsequent posts have demonstrated.