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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Gillis said:
    matt88 said:
    I feel like that Camara injury was so preventable. The idea that he'd play back-to-back 90 minutes Saturday-Tuesday after having barely played for a year and not had a full pre-season was pretty stupid. 
    You could see in that Bristol Rovers game that he was blowing after an hour but Holden kept him on, and he looked absolutely done in by the last 10 minutes. 
    Thought it was poor management from Holden not to take him off earlier, and we've now lost a very good player for what seems like long term.
    Easy jibe. If Holden had even a half decent replacement on the bench he’d of course have taken him off. Anyway this “foot injury”’ seems not to have occurred during a game, like a lot of our injuries. 

    Fraser seems to me to be perennially not 100% fit. I can’t remember many games where he maintained influence on the game for anything like the full 90. 

    Methven has said he knows our “performance” dept. needs a major upgrade. I look forward to it happening. Until it does, we will be having the same discussions every bloody week. 
    I think this is a regular beef of yours 
    is there actually any evidence that our medical team is any worse than anyone else’s
    i only hear really good things about Adam Coe and he has outlived loads of managers now - if he was useless at least one of the managers would have got rid of him. 
    Football players get injured that’s because of the high intensity game they play. 

    But performance encompasses more than medical: it's fitness, conditioning and sports science as well. Appleton has commented on the condition of the players since his arrival.
    Every manager since Slade has commented on fitness, "standards" and unacceptable things at the training ground when they have taken over.  It's gone on so long it's very hard to find a common denominator.
  • Remember the good old days* when players with concussion, broken nose or dislocated shoulder were stuck out on the left wing to see out the game.
    All for less than £20 a week.
    Or Killer being sent out to play after being given multiple injections to "hide" his injury and numb the pain he was in.
    ;)



  • Shrew
    Shrew Posts: 5,749
    Remember the good old days* when players with concussion, broken nose or dislocated shoulder were stuck out on the left wing to see out the game.
    All for less than £20 a week.
    Or Killer being sent out to play after being given multiple injections to "hide" his injury and numb the pain he was in.
    ;)



    Sadly many ex players in there 60’s and 70’s can no longer remember the good old days.
  • Shrew said:
    Remember the good old days* when players with concussion, broken nose or dislocated shoulder were stuck out on the left wing to see out the game.
    All for less than £20 a week.
    Or Killer being sent out to play after being given multiple injections to "hide" his injury and numb the pain he was in.
    ;)



    Sadly many ex players in there 60’s and 70’s can no longer remember the good old days.
    Exactly
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,253
    TEL said:
    matt88 said:
    I feel like that Camara injury was so preventable. The idea that he'd play back-to-back 90 minutes Saturday-Tuesday after having barely played for a year and not had a full pre-season was pretty stupid. 
    You could see in that Bristol Rovers game that he was blowing after an hour but Holden kept him on, and he looked absolutely done in by the last 10 minutes. 
    Thought it was poor management from Holden not to take him off earlier, and we've now lost a very good player for what seems like long term.
    Easy jibe. If Holden had even a half decent replacement on the bench he’d of course have taken him off. Anyway this “foot injury”’ seems not to have occurred during a game, like a lot of our injuries. 

    Fraser seems to me to be perennially not 100% fit. I can’t remember many games where he maintained influence on the game for anything like the full 90. 

    Methven has said he knows our “performance” dept. needs a major upgrade. I look forward to it happening. Until it does, we will be having the same discussions every bloody week. 
    I may be wrong, but I think we had used our quota of subs and that's why Fraser stayed on for the remaining minutes. Not a good excuse really as it possibly only exasperated the injury.
    Witb 10 minutes of injury time becoming normal, you can't have all your subs on by the 75th minute and expect to see the game out with 11 uninjured players on the field.
  • matt88 said:
    I feel like that Camara injury was so preventable. The idea that he'd play back-to-back 90 minutes Saturday-Tuesday after having barely played for a year and not had a full pre-season was pretty stupid. 
    You could see in that Bristol Rovers game that he was blowing after an hour but Holden kept him on, and he looked absolutely done in by the last 10 minutes. 
    Thought it was poor management from Holden not to take him off earlier, and we've now lost a very good player for what seems like long term.
    Easy jibe. If Holden had even a half decent replacement on the bench he’d of course have taken him off. Anyway this “foot injury”’ seems not to have occurred during a game, like a lot of our injuries. 

    Fraser seems to me to be perennially not 100% fit. I can’t remember many games where he maintained influence on the game for anything like the full 90. 

    Methven has said he knows our “performance” dept. needs a major upgrade. I look forward to it happening. Until it does, we will be having the same discussions every bloody week. 
    I think this is a regular beef of yours 
    is there actually any evidence that our medical team is any worse than anyone else’s
    i only hear really good things about Adam Coe and he has outlived loads of managers now - if he was useless at least one of the managers would have got rid of him. 
    Football players get injured that’s because of the high intensity game they play. 
    It certainly is, and I make no apologies for it, although at various times I've also said that we may just over-focus on our own team and its injuries because we have no benchmark for judging comparatively how bad it is or has been over periods of time.

    And then along comes Charlie Methven to confirm that it really is a problem. Now I'm no CM cheer-leader, but he is quite good at benchmarking the "business's" performance against the "competition". With some benchmarks, the basic financials, he'll have got hold of the EFL syndicated data. I have no idea whether any such data is supplied by clubs for benchmarking incidence ofs injuries. I kind of doubt it, but if it does exist it will be very P&C. Otherwise he'll have gone for a more qualitative evaluation of our situation based on his "I know everyone in the game" claim. Which to be fair, will give him insights none of us have. And there, he's said it. Now I'm waiting for him to do something about it.

    To end on a more optimistic note, there is one player that they seem to have sorted out in close-season: Corey Blackett-Taylor. He's been doing the full 100 minutes, whereas up to now he's been one of those that Curbs would say can't do the full 90. Maybe he himself takes the credit, I don't know. Maybe it's been partly work on his mental approach - I was hugely impressed with him stepping up to take that pen last week. Now, if he keeps up this sustained level of performance, for full games, most of the season, that is a major upgrade on last year. I want to see the same from Fraser. Like CBT, he's a Champ player if he fully deploys his skills for a whole game, in most of our games.
  • Fraser still not even making the 18, then….
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Fraser still not even making the 18, then….
    And we have injured another one in the week!
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,349
    Billy_Mix said:
    Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??
    I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!
    A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday.  Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.
    Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname? 

    Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
    Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames. 

    A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.
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  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,491
    Dazzler21 said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??
    I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!
    A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday.  Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.
    Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname? 

    Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
    Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames. 

    A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.
    Weren't you Mr Rak-Leko all last season? 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,349
    edited September 2023
    Talal said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??
    I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!
    A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday.  Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.
    Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname? 

    Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
    Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames. 

    A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.
    Weren't you Mr Rak-Leko all last season? 
     Yep. It was a bad joke that I started to use seriously, but quickly it became used ironically because it was clear how much better Rak Sakyi was than Leko
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,859
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Off_it said:
    A Charlton "soon" means two months
    I think this soon means tomorrow.
    How soon is now?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Off_it said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Off_it said:
    A Charlton "soon" means two months
    I think this soon means tomorrow.
    How soon is now?
    Probably about another 6 weeks knowing us!

    I was told he was touch and go to be involved at Stevenage so was suprised he wasn't in the 18 today.  
  • It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.

    Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,518
    edited September 2023
    Dazzler21 said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??
    I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!
    A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday.  Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.
    Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname? 

    Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
    Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames. 

    A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.

    I know right, all that Cheat code, The beast and he's a league one *insert ridiculous world famous Brazilian player reference* bollocks
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Dazzler21 said:
    Talal said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??
    I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!
    A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday.  Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.
    Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname? 

    Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
    Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames. 

    A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.
    Weren't you Mr Rak-Leko all last season? 
     Yep. It was a bad joke that I started to use seriously, but quickly it became used ironically because it was clear how much better Rak Sakyi was than Leko
    This reminds me of the Aussie cricket team's stance on "banter". 10/10 for trying!
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Dazzler21 said:
    Billy_Mix said:
    Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??
    I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!
    A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday.  Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.
    Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname? 

    Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
    Yeah kind of bored of all the shite nicknames. 

    A&Eke, Mansfield etc. They were funny for a fleeting moment, but like all jokes they've gone on too long.

    I know right, all that Cheat code, The beast and he's a league one *insert ridiculous world famous Brazilian player reference* bollocks
    Scottish Pirlo 
  • Noticed the club referring to Tedic as "Teddy".

    I wonder what other real nicknames the player's use.

    I imagine most are just shortened versions of their names that are easy to shout during the game.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Noticed the club referring to Tedic as "Teddy".

    I wonder what other real nicknames the player's use.

    I imagine most are just shortened versions of their names that are easy to shout during the game.
    T.Watson is called TwentyB in the dressing room, no honestly.
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  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,253
    It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.

    Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
    What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    Southbank said:
    It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.

    Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
    What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.
    What's the 30 second rule?
    I did read it but forgotten. 
  • Southbank said:
    It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.

    Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
    What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.
    What's the 30 second rule?
    I did read it but forgotten. 
    If you get treated by the physio, you have to go off the field for 30 seconds before coming back on
  • Southbank said:
    It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.

    Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
    What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.
    What's the 30 second rule?
    I did read it but forgotten. 
    If you get treated by the physio, you have to go off the field for 30 seconds before coming back on
    Officials get a lot of stick, but keeping up with new and everchanging rules makes life more difficult than it already is.
  • It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.

    Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
    Some responsibility, I imagine that's fair.
    I guess what none of us know is how much poor football management and cost saving initiatives contributed through players being asked to play when they shouldn't have been and whether effective/best treatments couldn't be accessed or used for long enough. 
  • Billy_Mix said:
    Appletons "we have a couple who are 50/50 for the game" comment maybe in relation to Fraser... and, dare I hope.... Aneke??
    I mean aneke was fit and played last week so I’d hope hes not already a 50-50 doubt again!
    A&Eke was on the field for 25 odd minutes last Saturday.  Based on years of experience with him there can't even be a 50% chance he's 50% fit for this Saturday.
    Anyone else sick to death of this stupid nickname? 

    Can’t wait for him to score the winner in the next couple of games and shut a few people up.
    Yep, I hate it. But it's still only second in stupid cl nicknames

    the winner....Mansfield for DJ. Terrible!!!!?
  • Southbank said:
    It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.

    Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
    What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.
    What's the 30 second rule?
    I did read it but forgotten. 
    If you drop a chip on the floor, that's how long you have to pick it up and eat it
  • Southbank said:
    It was noticeable today against Wycombe how more often Charlton players were on the floor receiving treatment, and on two occasions from WW players, compared to Wycombe players.

    Maybe bad luck on the day, but the fitnes/conditioning/physio team at Charlton needs to take some responsibility for the injury record in recent seasons.
    What I noticed was how much less the physios are on the pitch since the 30 second rule. Seems to be working.
    What's the 30 second rule?
    I did read it but forgotten. 
    If you drop a chip on the floor, that's how long you have to pick it up and eat it
    Talk about inflation, it wasn’t that long ago, it was 5 seconds.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,907
    Tupac - can never remember who or why it is 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,382
    DOUCHER said:
    Tupac - can never remember who or why it is 
    His full name

    Tyreece Anthony Tupac Shakur Campbell

    If we’re calling him Tupac we should call Anderson Zidane

    Karoy Zidane Lovebourne Anderson