But don’t seem to see anything being done about the amount of fly tipping that takes place and people fronting up to the fly tippers, mainly because they would get a punch on their nose.
So fly tipping does far more harm than using a hot wash using detergent. Just take a walk around Dartford heath to see the pollution.
I know it’s not as glamorous as beaches and whales but it’s is just as harmful.
Fly tipping is dreadful and there certainly should be tougher penalties and the will to tackle it.
I was not the person who hi-jacked the Dave Courtney thread, I merely pointed out that the planned release of 1000 balloons would be extremely damaging to the environment and that there are better ways of remembering a deceased person. It was others who chose to hi-jack the thread by making comments about me.
I have worked in the charitable sector for over 16 years and I see the good that can be done by making a donation in memory of a loved one. The releasing of 1000 balloons would be an extremely destructive act.
You were - and the comments that followed highlighted that.
People choose to mark the passing of a loved one in any number of ways, and commonly at the request of the late departed or their family. It could be planting a tree, a traditional floral tribute, help with the cost of the funeral, a charitable donation (you are not the only person who appreciates the work of the charitable sector) and so on.
I happen to believe that your view of balloon releases is 100% valid. In my opinion you made an appropriate remark in an inappropriate place - and that has been corrected by you opening this, again, 100% valid, thread. An acknowledgment of that by you, rather than what comes across as a holier than thou stance would be a strength, not a weakness.
I don't intend apologising for my remarks, because the comment about the planned balloon release would have been lost on any other thread. I hope that fewer balloons were released last night as a result of my comment and less damage to the environment will be the outcome. It was the personal comments about me that hi-jacked the thread. One person called me 'a pain in the arse', if that is not hi-jacking the thread and being disrespectful, I don't know what is.
The same people are now trying to hi-jack this thread.
I think most people agreed with the general point you were making, as has been apparent on both the original thread and this one.
The problem some people had was the way you chose to not only make that point, but then repeat yourself over and over again and derail the thread completely because it then started to become all about you and the "attacks" you thought you were getting (you weren't) and you then entrenching yourself further.
I make Bob right on this. You may not have intended it but your comments came across (to me, anyway) as a bit holier than thou and it really wasn't the place to be talking about "educating" people who would presumably have been grieving.
Anyway, I hope you take these comments in the manner they are intended. I've certainly no axe to grind with you.
It's clear that there are people who do need educating about the harm that the balloon releases can cause and if it came over as holier than I can't help that.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
It's clear that there are people who do need educating about the harm that the balloon releases can cause and if it came over as holier than I can't help that.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
This is absolute rubbish. I’ve never seen anything like it on a thread on someone who has just passed away. ANYONE would and should have been called out on it, regardless of who posted (one could argue that no one else ever would, but I’m not going to do that).
Last night's Planet Earth was a stark reminder to everyone that we, the human race, are destroying the seas around us and the wildlife that live within it! 1 million tons of plastic are dumped into the sea every year, that we know of! Also fishing nets and lines are discarded into the sea and between them they are killing millions of sea life. Surely its not difficult to dispose of these items correctly, but we just seem to lazy, unbothered, selfish or just plain ignorant to do so. If we carry on the way we are going we will eventually destroy this planet for future generations, sadly I despair that, unless there are major changes in peoples behaviour, we are very likely to bring our own downfall! Change will not happen overnight, but all I'm asking is that we think about where we discard our rubbish....its at least a start!
Can’t argue with any of the OP and I’m another who dislikes Halloween and would be more than happy if it didn’t exist.
I could make comment about the continual building of new housing that has a greater impact on wildlife than balloons or Halloween but that’s probably for the HOC thread.
While the American version of Halloweens is beyond the pale it is not really their fault. It was the Irish and Scots that started it all with Samhain. As usual, the Christians merely borrowed a festival from the pagans and claimed it as their own.
It's clear that there are people who do need educating about the harm that the balloon releases can cause and if it came over as holier than I can't help that.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
This is absolute rubbish. I’ve never seen anything like it on a thread on someone who has just passed away. ANYONE would and should have been called out on it, regardless of who posted (one could argue that no one else ever would, but I’m not going to do that).
Latex balloons are the deadliest form of marine debris for seabirds. They are 32 times more likely to kill than hard plastics when ingested. Balloons tied with ribbons and strings also rank just behind discarded fishing gear and plastic bags and utensils due to the high risk of entanglement and death that they pose to marine life.
I see rubbish in the pond where I live and it makes me really sad. I always try and grab what I can, but some people really do just trash the place, to the extent it must be deliberate.
Even had to shout at a group of young lads hurling rocks at some ducks recently, I just don't get it.
We must do everything we can to protect our wildlife.
But we have a not insignificant proportion of our population who think littering is absolutely fine, what chance recycling to save the planet?!
It's clear that there are people who do need educating about the harm that the balloon releases can cause and if it came over as holier than I can't help that.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
This is absolute rubbish. I’ve never seen anything like it on a thread on someone who has just passed away. ANYONE would and should have been called out on it, regardless of who posted (one could argue that no one else ever would, but I’m not going to do that).
Latex balloons are the deadliest form of marine debris for seabirds. They are 32 times more likely to kill than hard plastics when ingested. Balloons tied with ribbons and strings also rank just behind discarded fishing gear and plastic bags and utensils due to the high risk of entanglement and death that they pose to marine life.
Jesus Christ…I know! You know. ME14 knows. Every adult with a brain cell knows about the dangers balloons pose to wildlife. But that wasn’t the point and I’m sure you know that too.
It's clear that there are people who do need educating about the harm that the balloon releases can cause and if it came over as holier than I can't help that.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
This is absolute rubbish. I’ve never seen anything like it on a thread on someone who has just passed away. ANYONE would and should have been called out on it, regardless of who posted (one could argue that no one else ever would, but I’m not going to do that).
Latex balloons are the deadliest form of marine debris for seabirds. They are 32 times more likely to kill than hard plastics when ingested. Balloons tied with ribbons and strings also rank just behind discarded fishing gear and plastic bags and utensils due to the high risk of entanglement and death that they pose to marine life.
Jesus Christ…I know! You know. ME14 knows. Every adult with a brain cell knows about the dangers balloons pose to wildlife. But that wasn’t the point and I’m sure you know that too.
Quite clearly your statement that everyone with a brain cell knows that balloon releases harm the environment isn't correct, as there wouldn't have been a plan to release 1000 of them.
It's clear that there are people who do need educating about the harm that the balloon releases can cause and if it came over as holier than I can't help that.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
This is absolute rubbish. I’ve never seen anything like it on a thread on someone who has just passed away. ANYONE would and should have been called out on it, regardless of who posted (one could argue that no one else ever would, but I’m not going to do that).
Latex balloons are the deadliest form of marine debris for seabirds. They are 32 times more likely to kill than hard plastics when ingested. Balloons tied with ribbons and strings also rank just behind discarded fishing gear and plastic bags and utensils due to the high risk of entanglement and death that they pose to marine life.
Jesus Christ…I know! You know. ME14 knows. Every adult with a brain cell knows about the dangers balloons pose to wildlife. But that wasn’t the point and I’m sure you know that too.
Quite clearly your statement that everyone with a brain cell knows that balloon releases harm the environment isn't correct, as there wouldn't have been a plan to release 1000 of them.
How on earth does that prove it isn’t correct? Everyone knows smoking is harmful. Does that mean no one smokes?
It's clear that there are people who do need educating about the harm that the balloon releases can cause and if it came over as holier than I can't help that.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
This is absolute rubbish. I’ve never seen anything like it on a thread on someone who has just passed away. ANYONE would and should have been called out on it, regardless of who posted (one could argue that no one else ever would, but I’m not going to do that).
Latex balloons are the deadliest form of marine debris for seabirds. They are 32 times more likely to kill than hard plastics when ingested. Balloons tied with ribbons and strings also rank just behind discarded fishing gear and plastic bags and utensils due to the high risk of entanglement and death that they pose to marine life.
Jesus Christ…I know! You know. ME14 knows. Every adult with a brain cell knows about the dangers balloons pose to wildlife. But that wasn’t the point and I’m sure you know that too.
Quite clearly your statement that everyone with a brain cell knows that balloon releases harm the environment isn't correct, as there wouldn't have been a plan to release 1000 of them.
How on earth does that prove it isn’t correct? Everyone knows smoking is harmful. Does that mean no one smokes?
If someone knows that the balloon they release is harmful to wildlife, then they are guilty of wanton destruction to many animals. Smokers are harming themselves.
It's clear that there are people who do need educating about the harm that the balloon releases can cause and if it came over as holier than I can't help that.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
This is absolute rubbish. I’ve never seen anything like it on a thread on someone who has just passed away. ANYONE would and should have been called out on it, regardless of who posted (one could argue that no one else ever would, but I’m not going to do that).
Latex balloons are the deadliest form of marine debris for seabirds. They are 32 times more likely to kill than hard plastics when ingested. Balloons tied with ribbons and strings also rank just behind discarded fishing gear and plastic bags and utensils due to the high risk of entanglement and death that they pose to marine life.
Jesus Christ…I know! You know. ME14 knows. Every adult with a brain cell knows about the dangers balloons pose to wildlife. But that wasn’t the point and I’m sure you know that too.
I think it's to let it go. You've made your point.
Right so Halloween is now over, thank goodness. So can everyone please get their spider webs (aka bird, bat and insect traps) down ASAP. Also please now take pumpkins away where animals can get to them. They are NOT good for the health of certain animals. I suspect they also attract rats.
I sit just me and have I noticed the players drinking more from single use water bottles during the game. I had always more noticed re-useable ones before. Perhaps it's just me noticing. Either way it seems totally unnecessary. Also begs the question what they do in training. Anyone know?
I sit just me and have I noticed the players drinking more from single use water bottles during the game. I had always more noticed re-useable ones before. Perhaps it's just me noticing. Either way it seems totally unnecessary. Also begs the question what they do in training. Anyone know?
Can't say I've noticed, but I wouldn't be surprised. TBH if I was a player I wouldn't want to guzzle from a nipple that's been in my sweaty team mate's mouth, I'd want a bottle of my own. In the post-covid era, clubs might decide that they are less willing to risk viral infections in this way.
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The problem some people had was the way you chose to not only make that point, but then repeat yourself over and over again and derail the thread completely because it then started to become all about you and the "attacks" you thought you were getting (you weren't) and you then entrenching yourself further.
I make Bob right on this. You may not have intended it but your comments came across (to me, anyway) as a bit holier than thou and it really wasn't the place to be talking about "educating" people who would presumably have been grieving.
Anyway, I hope you take these comments in the manner they are intended. I've certainly no axe to grind with you.
I am repeatedly attacked by certain people on this forum. The moderators removed some of those comments and you may not have seen some of them, which were far more disrespectful than my comments.
Had it been anyone else pointing out what a bad idea it is to release 1000 balloons, none of those who did comment would have mentioned it.
Its a shame that another thread is being derailed and not by me.
I'm glad Planet Earth is back, television like that is worth the license fee.
It's a shame when threads get derailed.
Surely its not difficult to dispose of these items correctly, but we just seem to lazy, unbothered, selfish or just plain ignorant to do so.
If we carry on the way we are going we will eventually destroy this planet for future generations, sadly I despair that, unless there are major changes in peoples behaviour, we are very likely to bring our own downfall!
Change will not happen overnight, but all I'm asking is that we think about where we discard our rubbish....its at least a start!
I could make comment about the continual building of new housing that has a greater impact on wildlife than balloons or Halloween but that’s probably for the HOC thread.
Even had to shout at a group of young lads hurling rocks at some ducks recently, I just don't get it.
We must do everything we can to protect our wildlife.
But we have a not insignificant proportion of our population who think littering is absolutely fine, what chance recycling to save the planet?!
Also please now take pumpkins away where animals can get to them. They are NOT good for the health of certain animals. I suspect they also attract rats.