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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)

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  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,169
    Have we signed anyone yet
    Have we signed anyone yet
    Have we signed anyone yet 
    Have we signed anyone yet 
    Have we signed anyone yet

    Are we all in the back of the CL 🚙 
  • supaclive said:
    supaclive said:
    Come on guys, any loan with a view to buy is a positive.
    We were told we would be focussing on permanent acquisitions to add to the squad for next season now.   We are going with a loan - nowhere, apart from the journo does that say it's with a view to a permanent deal.

    We were told we would be going for permanent signings.   He isn't.

    Why am I happy about being lied to?

    But each to their own.

    I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the loan - I am saying the owners stated they wanted permanent transfers...... 
    They can't say with a view to a permanent deal because when his loan ends he will no longer be Sheffield Wednesday's player to sell.

    But it's pretty obvious a player coming on loan in the last 6 months of his contract is with a view to being a permanent signing. It's effectively a trial. If he's shit we've not lost anything, if he's good we will try and sign him.
    Or it's a cheap option compared to spending actual money on better players.
    if you are a conspiracy theorist.
    It's the 5 Jan and we've already had bids in for Coventry, JCH and Gillesphey.

    I understand the wider frustration with things but i really don't see why you're knocking a loan signing who is 25, local, good experience in this division with clubs who were promoted and could potentially sign for us in the summer.
    Bids they  know won't be enough.
    It's all a f******g nonsense
    You must be salesman’s dream if you pay whatever they say somethings worth. 
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,001
    A good mate who is a Bristol City season ticket holder on Bakinson:

    You won’t find many City fans have a good thing to say about him, was a bit of a prick when he left. Decent enough on his day but can go missing a lot. Also attitude problem by all accounts, so Pearson told him to do one
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,176
    supaclive said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well 
    And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!

    If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
    On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,358
    edited January 2024
    Valley11 said:
    A good mate who is a Bristol City season ticket holder on Bakinson:

    You won’t find many City fans have a good thing to say about him, was a bit of a prick when he left. Decent enough on his day but can go missing a lot. Also attitude problem by all accounts, so Pearson told him to do one
    Was that taken from Andy Scott's browser search history?
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,515
    supaclive said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well 
    And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!

    If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
    On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
    The bad attitude comments
    The goes missing comments
    The inconsistent comments

    Sadly he's not encouraging me 

    We need influential footballers 
    People with the right attitude
    People with something to prove

    Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.

    That concerns me


  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,180
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,484
    edited January 2024
    Aaron Henry recalled from Crawley and sent out to Wealdstone.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,169
     I don't have any mates supporting other clubs but if I did, they'd all say Bakinson is shit, can go missing, injury prone etc etc.,
  • supaclive said:
    supaclive said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well 
    And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!

    If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
    On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
    The bad attitude comments
    The goes missing comments
    The inconsistent comments

    Sadly he's not encouraging me 

    We need influential footballers 
    People with the right attitude
    People with something to prove

    Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.

    That concerns me


    Agreed. It sounds like no lessons have been learnt to me.

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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,176
    supaclive said:
    supaclive said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well 
    And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!

    If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
    On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
    The bad attitude comments
    The goes missing comments
    The inconsistent comments

    Sadly he's not encouraging me 

    We need influential footballers 
    People with the right attitude
    People with something to prove

    Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.

    That concerns me


    Sure, but then Watson is inconsistent and goes missing. I think if we swap a loan player who Appleton doesn't want to play for one he does then that's an improvement no matter what. The fact he's a loan means at the very least the manager has got what he wants and can then either improve or continue to fail, at which point Bakinson can be retained after doing well or waved off after failing. I'm ok with Bakinson as an immediate player in to plug the massive, massive gap we have in our midfield before we can get longer term targets in this month. We're losing Watson, McGrandles is still out, Anderson isn't ready, we're left with Fraser alongside Dobson letting teams line up 35 yarders with no pressure on the ball and we haven't won in about 10,000 years. Quick loan of a massive defensive shield so we can not be 6 points off the drop anymore and then hopefully bring in Coventry and/or another good midfielder on permanents works for me. I cannot watch our midfield be like this for even another game, it's killing me.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,003
    fenaddick said:
    Gone to a lower league team, not very encouraging 
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    If CBT & Dobson are to leave (to be clear I want them to sign new deals). I think i'd rather offload them both now to help give a clearer picture of what is needed now & for next season.
    I think if they both leave now we could go down.
    First we got no chance of going down second Dobson will stay he not interested in leaving as his dad confirmed CBT not bothered ( turning out to be biggest overrated player we ever seen ) we can do much  better like CJ Hamilton ..

    What fucking planet are you on? We've every chance of going down as it stands, we're just 6 points above the zone. We have no god given right to avoid it...we need players in the door ASAP, or trouble will be heading our way!
    CBT, you've never liked him, God knows why, he scores goals, is quick and provides assists, yes he needs to do more, but biggest overrated player we've ever seen is just wrong. I can think of loads more in my 63 yrs of supporting this club!

  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,001
     I don't have any mates supporting other clubs but if I did, they'd all say Bakinson is shit, can go missing, injury prone etc etc.,
    Hilarious. Simply passing on what I’ve been told.

    Another loan. Wow. These new owners are really pulling out all the stops.
    Bet we don’t end up with JCH or Coventry. 
    Just the usual cheap stop gaps. 

  • Valley11 said:
    A good mate who is a Bristol City season ticket holder on Bakinson:

    You won’t find many City fans have a good thing to say about him, was a bit of a prick when he left. Decent enough on his day but can go missing a lot. Also attitude problem by all accounts, so Pearson told him to do one

    If he rocks up and says ‘mate’ to anyone ….. fuck that shit. Overfamiliar - out the door.
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,515
    supaclive said:
    supaclive said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bakinson is out of contract in the summer. I don’t massively rate the signing from what I’ve seen of him, but a loan where it’s a bit of a try before you buy is fine as there’s a good chance we get him permanently if he does well 
    And we all know he won't do well and he won't be better than Louie Watson who is signed to a Premier League Club, is still wanted by that club and who want to take him back off of us because they can't believe, seeing how shit we are playing, that he's not getting any game time!

    If anybody thinks Bakinson is better than Louie Watson, prepare to be UNDERWHELMED!
    On what basis are you saying that though? The reality is that the way Appleton sets the team up we need more of a physical presence in midfield. Whether we like it or not, that's what's required and Bakinson is a 6ft3 defensive midfielder who will hopefully provide more of what the team needs in the middle, which is for teams not to be able to run directly through us. Watson has played a grand total of 608 minutes of Championship football and 637 minutes of L1 football in his career, Bakinson has 3,196 minutes of Championship football and 2,585 minutes of L1 football. We do need a bit more experience and he's got a lot at this level and above. I have liked what I've seen of Watson but I think we're in danger of making him out to be a much more important and influential player than he is. He had some good games but he was pretty rank the last few times he played, in line with all the others, but to hear him talked about you'd think we had Leo Messi on our bench. I don't know enough about Bakinson to assume how he'll play and I'm more that ready to accept any player we sign will somehow fail for us, but a positionally aware physical presence is needed in our midfield along with a bit more experience, there's no denying that.
    The bad attitude comments
    The goes missing comments
    The inconsistent comments

    Sadly he's not encouraging me 

    We need influential footballers 
    People with the right attitude
    People with something to prove

    Wednesday have been abject and they don't want him and are willing to let him go out on loan whilst they are in real danger of being relegated.

    That concerns me


    Sure, but then Watson is inconsistent and goes missing. I think if we swap a loan player who Appleton doesn't want to play for one he does then that's an improvement no matter what. The fact he's a loan means at the very least the manager has got what he wants and can then either improve or continue to fail, at which point Bakinson can be retained after doing well or waved off after failing. I'm ok with Bakinson as an immediate player in to plug the massive, massive gap we have in our midfield before we can get longer term targets in this month. We're losing Watson, McGrandles is still out, Anderson isn't ready, we're left with Fraser alongside Dobson letting teams line up 35 yarders with no pressure on the ball and we haven't won in about 10,000 years. Quick loan of a massive defensive shield so we can not be 6 points off the drop anymore and then hopefully bring in Coventry and/or another good midfielder on permanents works for me. I cannot watch our midfield be like this for even another game, it's killing me.
    I'd rather somebody better
    That's all
    It's nearly 5pm Friday
    It's not announced
    If it doesn't go through in time to play tomorrow, let's see what next week could bring

    Still have a back 5 that can't keep a elean sheet and no fit senior striker.

    Therein lies our REAL problems
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,003
    As we have heard nothing yet and there was supposed to be two medicals going on, would assume no new faces tomorrow. Fingers crossed for next Saturday 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,180
    ross1 said:
    As we have heard nothing yet and there was supposed to be two medicals going on, would assume no new faces tomorrow. Fingers crossed for next Saturday 
    Remember club can announce whenever they want, just the deal that had to be done by a certain time 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    Update on Gillesphey - we’re still negotiating.


  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,180
    Scoham said:
    Update on Gillesphey - we’re still negotiating.


    would imagine we want to change either the price/the structure due to something in the medical in that case 

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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,483
    MarcusH26 said:
    I'd assume the second is Gillesphey and not Fiorini. Would be odd if it wasn't Gillesphey given it's been on the cards all week. 
    We can always stretcher him on at Port Vale if his zimmer frame is not available.  

    He would still be quicker than Hector. 
    Does him being quicker necessarily make him ‘better than’ Hector, how does that add up?
    One of the best central defenders ever to play for us was Jorge Costa…..but you couldn’t say he was particularly quick, he just used his brain and experience, plus he knew all the shortcuts.
    Incidentally, Hector has arguably been our most decent
    player for the last month or so…..according to players marks that is……..and I wouldn’t argue with that.
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,515
    fenaddick said:
    Scoham said:
    Update on Gillesphey - we’re still negotiating.


    would imagine we want to change either the price/the structure due to something in the medical in that case 
    Or we are lowballing them 
    Nobody knows
    Except he was at the club last weekend and we've not signed him in time to help arguably the worst defence in division 3.....
  • The heir and the spare! Vaulks is the heir, Bakinson the spare. 
    From a slightly different angle, does he become Dobson’s spare…70 min sub, some legs when tiring, option to rest when in a heavy schedule? 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,786
    edited January 2024
    Or the negotiations could be with him/his agent over his potential wage rather than a transfer fee which we all presumed had been agreed.

    The fact that their DOF says “it’s at Charlton’s end” could either mean Plymouth are waiting for another offer from us, or they’re waiting to hear if the player is going to sign with us or not.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,267
    Scoham said:
    Looks like the two today are Fiorini and Bakinson, both could become permanent.


    If they impress .......FFS 
  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,315
    Wot? 5pm and no solution to world peace. Get rid
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,735
    cfgs said:
    Aaron Henry recalled from Crawley and sent out to Wealdstone.
    Bit of a backwards step isn't it?
  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,528
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Didn’t one of the Matt Smiths come from City as well. 

    They’ve done a great job of stitching us up. 
    Yup that should be the biggest complaint about Fiorini (How is he Scottish with a name like that) - All our Man City loans have ended up being absolute shite; Danny Mills was signed on loan from them when he decided he didnt want to play over Christmas
    Fiorini is Scottish you say, might help Fraser a bit on the communication front ‘ See you Scott, I’ve just about had enough of you!’ 😉
    That’s made my mind up - he’s obviously shit.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,470
    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-reject-bid-for-winger-corey-blackett-taylor/

    Charlton Athletic have rejected a bid for Corey Blackett-Taylor.

    Derby County had attempted to sign the former Aston Villa youngster in the summer transfer window, with Paul Warne a big admirer of the player.

    And the South London Press understands that Blackett-Taylor has been the subject of an offer this week that has been turned down.

    The 26-year-old is out of contract at the end of this campaign and has been tabled an extension to his current terms.

    We reported before that there is also interest from abroad in Blackett-Taylor, who has been one of the standout attacking players.