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POST-MATCH THREAD: Carlisle Utd vs Charlton Athletic: Saturday 25th November 2023 KO 3:00 PM
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That’s frightening The Fleetwood of The South. That makes The New Den what?cabbles said:Fleetwood are the longest serving team in League One currently. All the way back to 2013/14…..we could be the Fleetwood of the south if we play our cards right
Oh yer The Golden Mile😂2 -
It's a bit too easy and convenient to say that it's all down to Apples and team selection, the team he put out should have been able to beat Carlisle, and I am sure that is what Apples thought as well, the fact they failed was down to individual errors, like the ball watching that went on with the equaliser, we had more men in the box than they did, and when the ball fell very conveniently at the feet of Lavelle, he had all the time in the world to stop the ball and tap it home.Hartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.
We had at least 5, maybe 6 men in front of him and to a man they all retreated to the goal line and just watched the bloody ball trickle over the line, that has naff all to do with Apples and all to do with the players.
The players let themselves down, the team down, and most of all the 1000 who travelled up...7 -
Still not convinced Appleton knows what the fuck he is doing. Playing May out wide and not playing Louie Watson supports thisHartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.7 -
UP!!eastterrace6168 said:
It's a bit too easy and convenient to say that it's all down to Apples and team selection, the team he put out should have been able to beat Carlisle, and I am sure that is what Apples thought as well, the fact they failed was down to individual errors, like the ball watching that went on with the equaliser, we had more men in the box than they did, and when the ball fell very conveniently at the feet of Lavelle, he had all the time in the world to stop the ball and tap it home.Hartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.
We had at least 5, maybe 6 men in front of him and to a man they all retreated to the goal line and just watched the bloody ball trickle over the line, that has naff all to do with Apples and all to do with the players.
The players let themselves down, the team down, and most of all the 1000 who travelled down...4 -
I reckon there's more chance that players will leave than join. Reckon we will be worse off come Feb 1st.ValleyDan said:This team isn’t at present a promotion side.Lets see what the new owners do in the January window to see where our club is going.0 -
My humble apologies sir..UP!!!!!!!Melrose said:
UP!!eastterrace6168 said:
It's a bit too easy and convenient to say that it's all down to Apples and team selection, the team he put out should have been able to beat Carlisle, and I am sure that is what Apples thought as well, the fact they failed was down to individual errors, like the ball watching that went on with the equaliser, we had more men in the box than they did, and when the ball fell very conveniently at the feet of Lavelle, he had all the time in the world to stop the ball and tap it home.Hartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.
We had at least 5, maybe 6 men in front of him and to a man they all retreated to the goal line and just watched the bloody ball trickle over the line, that has naff all to do with Apples and all to do with the players.
The players let themselves down, the team down, and most of all the 1000 who travelled down...1 -
so in a match of 100 mins players aren't allowed to make a mistake then ?eastterrace6168 said:
It's a bit too easy and convenient to say that it's all down to Apples and team selection, the team he put out should have been able to beat Carlisle, and I am sure that is what Apples thought as well, the fact they failed was down to individual errors, like the ball watching that went on with the equaliser, we had more men in the box than they did, and when the ball fell very conveniently at the feet of Lavelle, he had all the time in the world to stop the ball and tap it home.Hartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.
We had at least 5, maybe 6 men in front of him and to a man they all retreated to the goal line and just watched the bloody ball trickle over the line, that has naff all to do with Apples and all to do with the players.
The players let themselves down, the team down, and most of all the 1000 who travelled down...
Players will make mistakes - this is 3rd tier football. not the Premier League. Teams don't usually become 3rd tier Champions by winning 1-0 every week. You just have to score more goals than your opponents - be that 3-2, 4-1 or 5-2. Yes, we have tighten up at the back, but if we had gone 2-0 up we would probably have won.0 -
Of course players make mistakes, I was highlighting the errors leading up to the goal, was I not accurate in my description, my point was, as I would hope you would realise, was that it was players errors rather than Apples team selection, oh, and don't make an ounce of difference Premier league or league one, errors occur, and cost matches every week.golfaddick said:
so in a match of 100 mins players aren't allowed to make a mistake then ?eastterrace6168 said:
It's a bit too easy and convenient to say that it's all down to Apples and team selection, the team he put out should have been able to beat Carlisle, and I am sure that is what Apples thought as well, the fact they failed was down to individual errors, like the ball watching that went on with the equaliser, we had more men in the box than they did, and when the ball fell very conveniently at the feet of Lavelle, he had all the time in the world to stop the ball and tap it home.Hartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.
We had at least 5, maybe 6 men in front of him and to a man they all retreated to the goal line and just watched the bloody ball trickle over the line, that has naff all to do with Apples and all to do with the players.
The players let themselves down, the team down, and most of all the 1000 who travelled down...
Players will make mistakes - this is 3rd tier football. not the Premier League. Teams don't usually become 3rd tier Champions by winning 1-0 every week. You just have to score more goals than your opponents - be that 3-2, 4-1 or 5-2. Yes, we have tighten up at the back, but if we had gone 2-0 up we would probably have won.0 -
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Should have won that. We were clearly the better side. But, you don’t give a goal away as easily as that after going deservedly one up. Very poor. A good side just doesn’t do that. For that alone we didn’t deserve to win that game.0
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Very rare for a team to go up in the automatics without keeping a large amount of clean sheets. Ipswich kept 23 clean sheets last season, so in around 50% of their games. Plymouth kept 19.golfaddick said:
so in a match of 100 mins players aren't allowed to make a mistake then ?eastterrace6168 said:
It's a bit too easy and convenient to say that it's all down to Apples and team selection, the team he put out should have been able to beat Carlisle, and I am sure that is what Apples thought as well, the fact they failed was down to individual errors, like the ball watching that went on with the equaliser, we had more men in the box than they did, and when the ball fell very conveniently at the feet of Lavelle, he had all the time in the world to stop the ball and tap it home.Hartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.
We had at least 5, maybe 6 men in front of him and to a man they all retreated to the goal line and just watched the bloody ball trickle over the line, that has naff all to do with Apples and all to do with the players.
The players let themselves down, the team down, and most of all the 1000 who travelled down...
Players will make mistakes - this is 3rd tier football. not the Premier League. Teams don't usually become 3rd tier Champions by winning 1-0 every week. You just have to scor e more goals than your opponents - be that 3-2, 4-1 or 5-2. Yes, we have tighten up at the back, but if we had gone 2-0 up we would probably have won.
Stevenage are flying because they already have 10 clean sheets this season
When you only need to score one goal to win a game, winning is easy. Something we know nothing about...
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Three questions I'm asking after today's game.
1) Will we keep hold of CBT in January? I know there's some on here that still somehow don't rate him (lol) but he's absolutely unplayable when he's at his best, and surely a lower championship team comes for him in January?
2) Why was Sam Lavelle on the penalty spot to tuck that away, when he would get a nosebleed just crossing the halfway line for us? Absolute shithouse
3) Will we see Tedic play in his natural position through the middle at all? Leaburn seems to be in a bit of a lull right now and Appleton admitted he's having to use him a lot because he's lost Aneke and doesn't feel May can play alone up top against certain teams, but he didn't mention the other big lump forward we have on the books at all1 -
I think his problem, not a bad one, is the reimergence of McGrandles. I thought it was a cert that McGrandles would start and alongside Dobson it allows either Fraser or Watson freedom. His problem now is where do you play your top scorer to maximise his effect on the team. By all accounts, where May played today, did not work out that well but the midfield dominated. It will be interesting to see the line up for the next two games.Melrose said:
Still not convinced Appleton knows what the fuck he is doing. Playing May out wide and not playing Louie Watson supports thisHartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.0 -
Players will leave Golfie, whether we will be worse off remains to be seen. There are a three loanees in the squad that are not making an impact, I'd like to think all three could go back to their parent clubs and we could get three in who could make a difference, we will just have to wait and see.golfaddick said:
I reckon there's more chance that players will leave than join. Reckon we will be worse off come Feb 1st.ValleyDan said:This team isn’t at present a promotion side.Lets see what the new owners do in the January window to see where our club is going.1 -
He says Fraser was good and selected for his experience. I thought he was the usual. Good at times but infuriatingly wasteful at set pieces. An “experienced” player might have noticed before taking a corner that the Carlisle keeper was excellent at commanding his box from set pieces. Subbing Watson for him so late seemed like a calculated snub, and Watson looked visibly pissed off to me when he came on.LouisMend said:
As for McGrandles he was pretty good today but he was one of those at fault for the equaliser, standing there waving his arm around instead of assisting the overloaded T. Watson.
There are usually divergent opinions among fans about players so the almost universal bafflement about L.Watson’s exclusion speaks volumes. Young Lis in the studio suggested it might just be that Apples knows Fraser cant start two games in 4 days (he can barely sustain one) so LW should start Tuesday. I bloody hope so. Appleton has credit in the account with me at the moment, there’s a fair bit of progress, but his handling of LW seems like a waste of a talented player we are lucky to have available, and who always gives 100%.9 -
Yeah and just the 87 points to play for…Valley11 said:7pts off sixth. 11pts off fifth.
Tall order that.6 -
Hah does anybody seriously believe we will make the play offs ?blackpool72 said:Such a frustrating game to watch.
We are clearly a better side than Carlisle but once again our defence costs us a goal.
Sort it out in January or forget all about the playoffs
Another wasted season 2 -
This is the easiest L1 in years and easier than any future one is likely to be. We are 10th and a margin away from play offs. The recruitment has been very poor. Scott has to take a large slice of the blame for that.
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Exactly and something I noticed that Appleton said in his interview after about the keeper (I wouldn’t want him , I think he’s pony) was he spilled quite a few but we had no one following in for these , lack of noose .guinnessaddick said:Can’t understand why we kept pulling balls into the box, for their keeper to catch. We need a bit of a brain when playing.
Too many ordinary players doing ordinary things at our now ordinary league one shithouse club .
this league is shit if we can just pull it together a little bit the opportunity for a play off lottery ticket is available2 -
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Smug reply as standardBedsaddick said:
Yeah and just the 87 points to play for…Valley11 said:7pts off sixth. 11pts off fifth.
Tall order that.
IMO that is a tall order to hit title winning form to get us back in the mix. We’re way too inconsistent.0 -
Should have won. At least we didn’t lose.
Enough chances and phases to create other chances, to have won the game by a convincing scoreline!
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Carlisle are shit and were waiting to get beat but our limited attacking ability midfield meant there wasn’t enough guile to create for our attacking punters , May and Leaburn weren’t really at it today
so annoying that we failed to get 3 points
win the next ten and all is forgiven0 -
PWR
Such a frustrating game, which we dominated. This just about sums us up and shows why we won't make the top 6. The top teams find a way to get past these types of games.
Alfie May HAS to play central, but not as a lone striker.. Assuming that Apples isn't going to be changing the formation anytime soon, the only logical place for him is the 10 role and if that means sacrificing a midfielder, then so be it.0 -
We had the better of the game and should probably have won, but the team’s continuing inability to keep a clean sheet cost us today and will continue to do so unless and until we learn to defend properly and show some nous in managing these sort of games.
Corey was unlucky with his thunderous shot against the bar in the first half but, aside from the goal and a couple of decent saves from Leaburn and Hector, I don’t think we created any really clear cut chances.
Carlisle, of course, created very much less but, whilst the deflection off Watson was unlucky in getting their guy to the byline, there was no excuse for 5 of our defenders to run back into the six yard box, giving Lavelle all the time he needed to control the ball and then slot it home totally unchallenged.
There were certainly some positives to take from the game, including good performances from Edun, CBT and McGrandles, a fine team goal and a good measure of control for most of the game. Unfortunately, we weren’t able to get the second goal this team always needs and there were blow par performances from Dobson, Fraser (whose set plays were poor), Leaburn and May.
I don’t think there was too much wrong with Appleton’s selection and I can understand why he went with three in midfield, although Campbell (with May as a 10) or Watson would have been a better call than Fraser, who contributed little. A shame the team couldn’t reward the travelling faithful with three points that we really needed to edge closer to the top six.
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Ready to be slated for this but…
Just watched their goal back. There’s four players plus AMB in our six yard box and no one picking up the penalty spot.
Hector, Jones and Edun have formed a decent line across the back, doing what they’re meant to doing. The fourth man is meant to be holding a position in front of them ready to cut out that ball that found Lavelle.
But he’s been sucked in towards the ball, again, like he does so often…
Dobbo, Dobbo, Dobbo… what are you doing in no man’s land???
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Picked eldest son and his mate up from tube station at 11.15pm , two lads living in filthy West Ham and spurs territory , known the mate since he was 5 and they went junior school .I told them they’d ticked off the biggest one as an away fan , no higher league accolade than that .
A proud father day for me , these are the ones if we ever stop being completely utterly shit and get a promotion will make any form of success (EFL Trophy apart) taste that much sweeter to these poor afflicted youngsters .19 -
Football is a funny old game as 1 excellent striker once said. Once you get a goal in front you then need to get 2 in front....then the opposition are reeling. They then need to go all out to score so as to get back into the game, thus leaving gaps for you to exploit. A number of teams won today by big margins, probably because they got a 2nd and then a 3rd without reply (on our League alone there was Bolton, Blackpool & Peterborough). Look at us away to Wigan. We would have lost that game if we hadn't have gone 3 up. How many times have we been 3 up away from home over the past few years....not many. And of the ones I can recall (the 6-0 at Pymouth) was exactly because of that.......we scored 2 or 4 without reply & the game was won. Then think how many times have we been 1-0 up and not won. Loads. How many have we won 1-0 over the last 4 seasons that we have been stuck in this division. Not many. I am no statistician but I bet we have dropped far far more points being 1-0 up than we have won by then scoring 2 or 3 without reply.Chunes said:
Very rare for a team to go up in the automatics without keeping a large amount of clean sheets. Ipswich kept 23 clean sheets last season, so in around 50% of their games. Plymouth kept 19.golfaddick said:
so in a match of 100 mins players aren't allowed to make a mistake then ?eastterrace6168 said:
It's a bit too easy and convenient to say that it's all down to Apples and team selection, the team he put out should have been able to beat Carlisle, and I am sure that is what Apples thought as well, the fact they failed was down to individual errors, like the ball watching that went on with the equaliser, we had more men in the box than they did, and when the ball fell very conveniently at the feet of Lavelle, he had all the time in the world to stop the ball and tap it home.Hartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.
We had at least 5, maybe 6 men in front of him and to a man they all retreated to the goal line and just watched the bloody ball trickle over the line, that has naff all to do with Apples and all to do with the players.
The players let themselves down, the team down, and most of all the 1000 who travelled down...
Players will make mistakes - this is 3rd tier football. not the Premier League. Teams don't usually become 3rd tier Champions by winning 1-0 every week. You just have to scor e more goals than your opponents - be that 3-2, 4-1 or 5-2. Yes, we have tighten up at the back, but if we had gone 2-0 up we would probably have won.
Stevenage are flying because they already have 10 clean sheets this season
When you only need to score one goal to win a game, winning is easy. Something we know nothing about...
We did not not win today because we let in a sloppy goal. We didn't win today because we didnt get a 2nd goal.4 -
Of course 2 points dropped but what was wrong with the team selection?Hartleypete said:Down to team selection and Appleton that one, 2 points dropped.
All over them but couldn't score.
Who would have been better to start?
Harry Kane was busy.
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Oh I sure hope so - for your sake! Imagine the moaning opportunities.golfaddick said:
I reckon there's more chance that players will leave than join. Reckon we will be worse off come Feb 1st.ValleyDan said:This team isn’t at present a promotion side.Lets see what the new owners do in the January window to see where our club is going.1
