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POST MATCH THREAD : Leyton Orient Vs Charlton Athletic : Tuesday Boxing Day 2023 : KO 13:00
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Roland continuing to own the Valley and the training ground means his malign influence continues. Can’t help but feel things will not improve until those assets belong to the club again and who knows when, if ever, that will be.Cloudworm said:
Somehow they were facilitated in that. Billionaire owners don't come round too often.DOUCHER said:
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.
As someone who wasn't really following the club so closely during the Roland years, I beg the question; on the pitch, was it really that bad when you look back at it objectively? I know people invested a lot of time and emotion in the CARD stuff, so it might be hard to admit. However, our slide as a club seems to have a force beyond Roland and since he's left, it's worsened. He seemed to have us top of League 1/championship strugglers. Who wouldn't accept that right now?
I just wonder if what we are witnessing is the inevitable outcome of bad timing, premier League TV money allocation and escalating parachute payments since we were relegated from the prem. Even a new billionaire wouldn't be able to buy success as we don't have the revenue to satisfy the financial rules. In short, we've missed the boat and should probably accept it.10 -
Just in case you didn’t know Roland still owns the ground and training ground and this has led to Roland selling to asset stripping cnuts like ESI then to cheapo(in footballing terms ) chancers who think they can outwit the football world like Sandgaard and the CM conglomerate.Cloudworm said:
Somehow they were facilitated in that. Billionaire owners don't come round too often.DOUCHER said:
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.
As someone who wasn't really following the club so closely during the Roland years, I beg the question; on the pitch, was it really that bad when you look back at it objectively? I know people invested a lot of time and emotion in the CARD stuff, so it might be hard to admit. However, our slide as a club seems to have a force beyond Roland and since he's left, it's worsened. He seemed to have us top of League 1/championship strugglers. Who wouldn't accept that right now?
I just wonder if what we are witnessing is the inevitable outcome of bad timing, premier League TV money allocation and escalating parachute payments since we were relegated from the prem. Even a new billionaire wouldn't be able to buy success as we don't have the revenue to satisfy the financial rules. In short, we've missed the boat and should probably accept it.
The separation of ground and training ground ownership (and the ridiculous price that Cnut Roland wants for it ) from the club has scared away other buyers who may be as shit as what we have or maybe not .
Im sure you can spend to get out , Ipswich did over two seasons .
FooTball finances are fucked but if you wanna burn some cash for success I’m sure it’s allowed as long as you aren’t mincing about asking for payment back with interest .
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Right. Clearly an important point which has put us, as a club, in the bargain bin. What I missed was how The Valley ever went from the ownership of Greenwich borough to RD? Please help us out..0
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Its because of that prick we are in the mess we are in. He started the ball rolling by rocking up at the end of January 2014, sat down with Latrien and told us what was going to happen. A Belgian journalist also told us what would happen and just to be sure shill #1 also told us what was going g to happen. He then set about selling our best 2 players, replacing them with utterly inadequate and unsuitable players, sacked Chris Powell, failed to renew the contract of the core squad players and the rest blurs into a long and horrible time for the club and everyone.Cloudworm said:
Somehow they were facilitated in that. Billionaire owners don't come round too often.DOUCHER said:
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.
As someone who wasn't really following the club so closely during the Roland years, I beg the question; on the pitch, was it really that bad when you look back at it objectively? I know people invested a lot of time and emotion in the CARD stuff, so it might be hard to admit. However, our slide as a club seems to have a force beyond Roland and since he's left, it's worsened. He seemed to have us top of League 1/championship strugglers. Who wouldn't accept that right now?
I just wonder if what we are witnessing is the inevitable outcome of bad timing, premier League TV money allocation and escalating parachute payments since we were relegated from the prem. Even a new billionaire wouldn't be able to buy success as we don't have the revenue to satisfy the financial rules. In short, we've missed the boat and should probably accept it.
Because that skidmark still owns the stuff that is actually worth something and rightly or wrongly has stuck a high price on what is valuable London Real Estate but not real estate that is worth much in real terms. This then means in theory anyone with an ok credit score can have a stab at running the club, they then discover it will cost in the region of 800k a month to run and need prolonged, ongoing cash investment and after expecting a series of managers to make a silk purse out of ginger pubic hair and being abused and held to account by a load of horrible working class fans who disgustingly feel a sense of ownership of the club and start making ruckus
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But how did he get to own it? When I tapped out (Jimenez year(s)?) I thought the ground was owned by the borough. That was in place since the 1992 return. What changed?Carter said:
Its because of that prick we are in the mess we are in. He started the ball rolling by rocking up at the end of January 2014, sat down with Latrien and told us what was going to happen. A Belgian journalist also told us what would happen and just to be sure shill #1 also told us what was going g to happen. He then set about selling our best 2 players, replacing them with utterly inadequate and unsuitable players, sacked Chris Powell, failed to renew the contract of the core squad players and the rest blurs into a long and horrible time for the club and everyone.Cloudworm said:
Somehow they were facilitated in that. Billionaire owners don't come round too often.DOUCHER said:
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.
As someone who wasn't really following the club so closely during the Roland years, I beg the question; on the pitch, was it really that bad when you look back at it objectively? I know people invested a lot of time and emotion in the CARD stuff, so it might be hard to admit. However, our slide as a club seems to have a force beyond Roland and since he's left, it's worsened. He seemed to have us top of League 1/championship strugglers. Who wouldn't accept that right now?
I just wonder if what we are witnessing is the inevitable outcome of bad timing, premier League TV money allocation and escalating parachute payments since we were relegated from the prem. Even a new billionaire wouldn't be able to buy success as we don't have the revenue to satisfy the financial rules. In short, we've missed the boat and should probably accept it.
Because that skidmark still owns the stuff that is actually worth something and rightly or wrongly has stuck a high price on what is valuable London Real Estate but not real estate that is worth much in real terms. This then means in theory anyone with an ok credit score can have a stab at running the club, they then discover it will cost in the region of 800k a month to run and need prolonged, ongoing cash investment and after expecting a series of managers to make a silk purse out of ginger pubic hair and being abused and held to account by a load of horrible working class fans who disgustingly feel a sense of ownership of the club and start making ruckus
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They haven't, but some believe fan anger directed at players motivates them to do better and prove their doubters wrong. Others that it tempts them to play it safe.JamesSeed said:
No one has said it is as far as I can see?swordfish said:I don't believe our current predicament is down to fan apathy, or anger for that matter.
Either way, if expressions of anger or apathy affect performance levels and results then they contribute to our predicament. But if we all agree that fans aren't to blame for it, like I said, why do some turn on others to say they aren't helping our situation when they are aren't harming it?
Fans who have come to accept where we are as a club just have more limited expectations and aren't a problem are they? They still want us to be successful.0 -
Fans are expected to attend, to sing, to cheer and show passion.
Players can’t have it both ways, if they accept adulation when successful they can expect condemnation when they fail.
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Is there? If there is, just refer me to where I can read it or buy it please.Fumbluff said:
If only there were books about this…Cloudworm said:Right. Clearly an important point which has put us, as a club, in the bargain bin. What I missed was how The Valley ever went from the ownership of Greenwich borough to RD? Please help us out..
Or just tell me how he bought it.0 - Sponsored links:
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I wonder what the average age of the starting line ups were yesterday. Again, it felt like mean against boys. Or was that all down to Pratley?0
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I'm really worried about Tyreece. He doesn't look the same player from 2 months ago or last season. Worse of all is the body language.Bailey said:
Sadly it's the kids who's heads drop first as they look at the senior pro's and expect guidance when none is forthcoming. That said, there was only two kids Maynard Brewer and Kanu who started today and it was after substitutions were made, that we conceded. Appleton's frustration is not only with a lack of forwards and the side having very little backbone, it's the lack of quality or appetite of those on the bench. Tedic is really poor and Tyreece Campbell has the look of somebody who has been thrown into arena to grapple with LionsLincsaddick said:
Brown sums it up perfectly .. the manager and most of the 'players' are roving mercenaries 'playing' for the cash and certainly NOT for the shirt .. even the 'home grown' graduates to the first team don't seem to show the fervour for the club that I expect, or am I being too hard here .. whatever, the way out of the club's present limboland will not be easy, signing management and players with the necessary zeal will be expensive and will take a long time i m o .. still Luton managed it and so have countless other temporarily 'fallen giants'. We can only hope that our time will come againCallumcafc said:10 -
Cloudworm said:
But how did he get to own it? When I tapped out (Jimenez year(s)?) I thought the ground was owned by the borough. That was in place since the 1992 return. What changed?Carter said:
Its because of that prick we are in the mess we are in. He started the ball rolling by rocking up at the end of January 2014, sat down with Latrien and told us what was going to happen. A Belgian journalist also told us what would happen and just to be sure shill #1 also told us what was going g to happen. He then set about selling our best 2 players, replacing them with utterly inadequate and unsuitable players, sacked Chris Powell, failed to renew the contract of the core squad players and the rest blurs into a long and horrible time for the club and everyone.Cloudworm said:
Somehow they were facilitated in that. Billionaire owners don't come round too often.DOUCHER said:
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.
As someone who wasn't really following the club so closely during the Roland years, I beg the question; on the pitch, was it really that bad when you look back at it objectively? I know people invested a lot of time and emotion in the CARD stuff, so it might be hard to admit. However, our slide as a club seems to have a force beyond Roland and since he's left, it's worsened. He seemed to have us top of League 1/championship strugglers. Who wouldn't accept that right now?
I just wonder if what we are witnessing is the inevitable outcome of bad timing, premier League TV money allocation and escalating parachute payments since we were relegated from the prem. Even a new billionaire wouldn't be able to buy success as we don't have the revenue to satisfy the financial rules. In short, we've missed the boat and should probably accept it.
Because that skidmark still owns the stuff that is actually worth something and rightly or wrongly has stuck a high price on what is valuable London Real Estate but not real estate that is worth much in real terms. This then means in theory anyone with an ok credit score can have a stab at running the club, they then discover it will cost in the region of 800k a month to run and need prolonged, ongoing cash investment and after expecting a series of managers to make a silk purse out of ginger pubic hair and being abused and held to account by a load of horrible working class fans who disgustingly feel a sense of ownership of the club and start making ruckusI don't think the Council ever owned the valley. There is some planning 'rule' in place that the land is to be used for sport/football. But as with all things in local planning/administration that can be changed just by waving some notes under someone's nose.From what I know of the history, the council has often done it's best to not help the club. Part of the reason for the valley party was because the council removed it's support for the redevelopment. Same can be seen with the recent parking shenanigans.1 -
They didn't.Bailey said:
When did Greenwich Borough own Charlton Athletic ???Cloudworm said:Right. Clearly an important point which has put us, as a club, in the bargain bin. What I missed was how The Valley ever went from the ownership of Greenwich borough to RD? Please help us out..
Fyi @Cloudworm the ground has always been owned by the owner. In 2019 ESI did a deal with Roland to buy the "club" (basically the name & the rights to play in the EFL) for the princely sum of.......£1.
Yes. £1. Basically ESI bought the loss making part & Roland kept the assets (The Valley & the Training Ground).
The rest, as they say, is history.4 -
Alfie May was played as a centre forward today Dazzler, in exactly the position that posters on here have been calling for. Kanu played on the right and CBT on the left of the three. I think the two square pegs were May and Kanu, our best chances fell to CBT, May had one effort that was charged down and a free kick move that ended wide. The lack of forwards in the squad forced Holden to play Alfie May as centre forward and it doesn't work and was part of the reason for his multiple loss of games and his eventual sacking, we are now back to square one. The issue of no forwards is the responsibility of the board, to have a nineteen year old, Miles Leaburn, who was injured at the seasons start and Alfie May as the only forwards in your squad is criminal, we had a little period of success where Chuks got off the treatment table but deep down everyone knew how that would end. Quite simply if the forward issue is not addressed then this club is heading towards the relegation places, that was the form under Holden and it's now the form under Appleton.Dazzler21 said:I didn't see us today, but what formation were we?
Is it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 either way it leaves Alfie isolated when up top and when out wide. He's not a winger.6 -
I agree. My point is that the distinction often made in fan attitudes, whether they be positive or negative minded, is of no consequence to our position as a club, so a meaningless one. We all want to win, and all hurt when we don't. There's no club within a club existing in the support base as we have the same shared aspirations.seth plum said:Fans are expected to attend, to sing, to cheer and show passion.
Players can’t have it both ways, if they accept adulation when successful they can expect condemnation when they fail.
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I walked it from Penge. 12 miles. The walk was lovely. I thought it was golf that was a good walk spoiled. Turns out it's Charlton Athletic who spoil a good walk.seth plum said:One of the heroes of the day was @Leuth of this parish who walked walked from Camberwell to Brisbane road to see that load of rubbish today.
Gets a 10 on the post match marks thread in my opinion.15 -
I don’t think anyone wanted Alfie May to be played isolated against two 6ft 5 centre halves and have the ball pumped in the air the whole gameBailey said:
Alfie May was played as a centre forward today Dazzler, in exactly the position that posters on here have been calling for. .Dazzler21 said:I didn't see us today, but what formation were we?
Is it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 either way it leaves Alfie isolated when up top and when out wide. He's not a winger.12 -
Reads to me that Jones and Chem are in a throuple.Chunes said:According to this thread (seems to be confirmed by multiple people) some of the players girlfriends were arguing with fans in the stand.7 - Sponsored links:
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Airman Brown said:
Wonder if he thinks the people who booed him off today were also a very, very small percentage?Oakster2 said:
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
Clearly they are a small percentage. There are a larger number who are dissatisfied but don't boo. The foul abuse of Hector who came over to applaud the fans was disgusting. You can say that his actions were misjudged , but he had the decency to respect the fans that had supported the team. His misjudgement was that there were some decent people there. I hope there were. but here were a loud vocal group who shouting " You're f**king useless" to their own player and team. (and worse). Equivalent to the media MA talks about.Airman Brown said:
Wonder if he thinks the people who booed him off today were also a very, very small percentage?Oakster2 said:
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
There is no place in the UK where you can shout that at someone doing their job. And if you do it repeatedly then in any other setting you may , I say may as a customer ejected from the premises, or even possibly meet the men in blue. About time football is brought in line.10 -
Bowyer out
Adkins out
Garner out
Holden out
Appleton out
Whoever OUT
Him too OUT
And the next OUT
Constantly sacking the manager gives power to the players.
If you’re looking for an answer, it’s having a manager who feels secure.
For starters he knows he can bollock the players.
Put the players in their place and keep the manager.
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Top quality effort.9goalswentpastperry said:
I walked it from Penge. 12 miles. The walk was lovely. I thought it was golf that was a good walk spoiled. Turns out it's Charlton Athletic who spoil a good walk.seth plum said:One of the heroes of the day was @Leuth of this parish who walked walked from Camberwell to Brisbane road to see that load of rubbish today.
Gets a 10 on the post match marks thread in my opinion.1 -
What's the story about Kanu and a "childish dispute"- genuine question. Did puzzle me why he went out on loan with 3 goals already scored.grumpyaddick said:Agree with the comments above and echo thoughts @Fanny Fanackapan and @Braziliance.
I want to add a comment or two about our talented academy products. I remember being really impressed with Anderson, Assimwe, T Campbell and Kanu in those opening games of the season under Holden. I think Kanu was joint top scorer (with two) for a while before being sent out on loan.
It is one thing for our club to be dire against poor opposition but another scale of incompetence to ruin the future of the club. These young players are having their confidence shattered. MBick put on wing and then dropped and now Kanu being sacrificed in some childish dispute between coach and that idiot Scott. Anyone know what Scott's salary is by the way?
Hats off to Kanu who kept going while playing out of position with no encouragement or support from the coach or the senior pros.
There was one moment when Kanu was battling away on the edge of the Orient box and got dragged over and won a free kick (the one from which May drove it wide, I think). Not one Charlton player helped him up or gave him a pat on the back or a had a quick word, Nothing at all from this spineless shower to encourage a young academy player giving it his all. That really stinks.0 -
Exactly why you don't play him there, but if you look back at the posts that is exactly where they wanted him to play. It also highlights the fact that May's best position is off the centre forward, proved by the success he had when playing at the top of the midfield, but that was when we had Chuks as our centre forward. It's really basic but this team is lacking in a key area, it's not been addressed since Stockley left and until it is then we are on the slide.AFKABartram said:
I don’t think anyone wanted Alfie May to be played isolated against two 6ft 5 centre halves and have the ball pumped in the air the whole gameBailey said:
Alfie May was played as a centre forward today Dazzler, in exactly the position that posters on here have been calling for. .Dazzler21 said:I didn't see us today, but what formation were we?
Is it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 either way it leaves Alfie isolated when up top and when out wide. He's not a winger.0 -
What a load of rubbish. Anyone with experience in local politics knows that they are subject to a constant diatribe of criticism and abuse, mostly from people who don’t understand the law, the financial position or the circumstances of what they are complaining about.KingKinsella said:Airman Brown said:
Wonder if he thinks the people who booed him off today were also a very, very small percentage?Oakster2 said:
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
Clearly they are a small percentage. There are a larger number who are dissatisfied but don't boo. The foul abuse of Hector who came over to applaud the fans was disgusting. You can say that his actions were misjudged , but he had the decency to respect the fans that had supported the team. His misjudgement was that there were some decent people there. I hope there were. but here were a loud vocal group who shouting " You're f**king useless" to their own player and team. (and worse). Equivalent to the media MA talks about.Airman Brown said:
Wonder if he thinks the people who booed him off today were also a very, very small percentage?Oakster2 said:
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
There is no place in the UK where you can shout that at someone doing their job. And if you do it repeatedly then in any other setting you may , I say may as a customer ejected from the premises, or even possibly meet the men in blue. About time football is brought in line.I don’t think it was fair that Tyreece Campbell was abused for failing to control the ball but equally the players are happy to suck up adulation and money in quantities that virtually nobody else can expect when they do their job well. It’s no surprise that the same passions work in the opposite direction.
The vast majority of Charlton fans present will have shared the same view of that performance and if Hector doesn’t like it he can jog on with the rest of them. But I doubt he needs you to protect him.Equally the real targets should be the people responsible for what happened yesterday, which is the gang of chancers in charge.42 -
I don't understand how anyone could clap them off after that. You've got Brownie and Lisbie making it clear that those players weren't trying (as if it wasn't already obvious) and to stand there and clap them...?8
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This is so funny. Surely you can't be seriousKingKinsella said:Airman Brown said:
Wonder if he thinks the people who booed him off today were also a very, very small percentage?Oakster2 said:
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
Clearly they are a small percentage. There are a larger number who are dissatisfied but don't boo. The foul abuse of Hector who came over to applaud the fans was disgusting. You can say that his actions were misjudged , but he had the decency to respect the fans that had supported the team. His misjudgement was that there were some decent people there. I hope there were. but here were a loud vocal group who shouting " You're f**king useless" to their own player and team. (and worse). Equivalent to the media MA talks about.Airman Brown said:
Wonder if he thinks the people who booed him off today were also a very, very small percentage?Oakster2 said:
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
There is no place in the UK where you can shout that at someone doing their job. And if you do it repeatedly then in any other setting you may , I say may as a customer ejected from the premises, or even possibly meet the men in blue. About time football is brought in line.5 -
The reaction the manager and players got at full time was fully deserved. Only time I think the fans let themselves down was singing fucking useless at Assimwe/Campbell when a poor pass and poor touch lost us the ball.Chunes said:I don't understand how anyone could clap them off after that. You've got Brownie and Lisbie making it clear that those players weren't trying (as if it wasn't already obvious) and to stand there and clap them...?Shouldn’t be singing that at our young players singling them out6 -
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listen a point away from home ain't all that bad fellas. At least we didn't lose COYRs 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkVn3knAN6Y
