Next Manager?

Oakster2

Kind of tongue in cheek, but seriously Appleton can only be a few more crap results from getting the tin tack

John Eustace for me, maybe even Tony Mowbray...

Danny Addick

Should’ve been Bowyer this time around imo 

rememberbillybonds

it’s not  the manager,  it’s a poor squad of players.i have no idea if Appleton is any  good , all I see is he has very little to work with.

ShootersHillGuru

Charlton are already a laughing stock and replacing yet another manager after ten minutes will add to the laughter. Who of any note do you seriously think would entertain coming to work at our three ring circus ? In the knowledge that you can’t polish a turd. At some point we’ve got to support a manager in the transfer market and give him time to get things how he wants things. I’ll make a judgement on Appleton next November and then only based on who he’s allowed to bring in. 

carly burn

There's a reason Darren Ferguson laughed when offered the gig. The same reason Chris Powell kindly declined.
The vision and the tools by which to reach it don't add up.

You'll always get some no mark willing to do it though. And that's why we ended up with Appleton. And there's plenty more where he came from.

Oakster2

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton are already a laughing stock and replacing yet another manager after ten minutes will add to the laughter. Who of any note do you seriously think would entertain coming to work at our three ring circus ? In the knowledge that you can’t polish a turd. At some point we’ve got to support a manager in the transfer market and give him time to get things how he wants things. I’ll make a judgement on Appleton next November and then only based on who he’s allowed to bring in. 

I know, it's ludicrous to be even thinking this but we are on an awful run at the moment (cup games included) & Appleton is not getting any kind of response whatsoever, we look absolutely clueless  - if we continue like this then what?

Every chance Mowbray will end up at Birmingham I think but I am hoping there s some kind of plan B at least for us

ElfsborgAddick

Oakster2 said:

Kind of tongue in cheek, but seriously Appleton can only be a few more crap results from getting the tin tack

John Eustace for me, maybe even Tony Mowbray...

And by doing this would mean SE7 doing a total about turn in recruitment.
Or another way, wtf would these two want to come here.
Or another way, Appleton is not the problem.  Let him have the next two windows with HIS players coming in.

North Lower Neil

carly burn said:

There's a reason Darren Ferguson laughed when offered the gig. The same reason Chris Powell kindly declined.
The vision and the tools by which to reach it don't add up.

You'll always get some no mark willing to do it though. And that's why we ended up with Appleton. And there's plenty more where he came from.

Exactly this.

The decent managers out there can do better than us.

Eustace and Mowbray amongst them.

Rock Spectacle

Wayne Rooney 

usetobunkin

Ian Dowie

killerandflash

Since Bowyer, all the external appointments have been a bit questionable, and have often come out of nowhere.

Adkins and Holden weren't in the conversation, but emerged. Garner did reasonably at Swindon, but it's not as if he was tipped everywhere to be the next big thing.

Appleton was a "safer" appointment, but so was Russell Slade...

NabySarr

There’s no way Eustace or Mowbray would drop to league 1, they will easily get decent championship jobs

Michael Duff would be my first choice. Failing that then maybe Gary Rowett would be more likely to drop down than those first 2 as he’s probably settled down here and played for us. 

Based on this regimes last 2 appointments though, there would have to be a serious change in ambition to get one of those 

Airman Brown

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton are already a laughing stock and replacing yet another manager after ten minutes will add to the laughter. Who of any note do you seriously think would entertain coming to work at our three ring circus ? In the knowledge that you can’t polish a turd. At some point we’ve got to support a manager in the transfer market and give him time to get things how he wants things. I’ll make a judgement on Appleton next November and then only based on who he’s allowed to bring in. 

If he’s still here that will probably be academic because he’ll have to be doing will enough that the chums in charge don’t need a scapegoat. 

I wouldn’t rely on any of them being here next November.

L0rd_M0ntagu3

NabySarr said:

There’s no way Eustace or Mowbray would drop to league 1, they will easily get decent championship jobs

Michael Duff would be my first choice. Failing that then maybe Gary Rowett would be more likely to drop down than those first 2 as he’s probably settled down here and played for us. 

Based on this regimes last 2 appointments though, there would have to be a serious change in ambition to get one of those 

Part of the reason Rowett left “the small club up the road”, was because he no longer wanted to commute from the midlands. 

cabbles

Airman Brown said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton are already a laughing stock and replacing yet another manager after ten minutes will add to the laughter. Who of any note do you seriously think would entertain coming to work at our three ring circus ? In the knowledge that you can’t polish a turd. At some point we’ve got to support a manager in the transfer market and give him time to get things how he wants things. I’ll make a judgement on Appleton next November and then only based on who he’s allowed to bring in. 

If he’s still here that will probably be academic because he’ll have to be doing will enough that the chums in charge don’t need a scapegoat. 

I wouldn’t rely on any of them being here next November.

As in, do you think the current owners will clear the decks of the current SLT on the footballing side, or, the current owners won’t be here by next November?

Oakster2

NabySarr said:

There’s no way Eustace or Mowbray would drop to league 1, they will easily get decent championship jobs

Michael Duff would be my first choice. Failing that then maybe Gary Rowett would be more likely to drop down than those first 2 as he’s probably settled down here and played for us. 

Based on this regimes last 2 appointments though, there would have to be a serious change in ambition to get one of those 

Yes agree - wishful thinking & I'm clutching at straws & have calmed down a bit from that disgraceful performance this morning

Appleton out! 

Airman Brown

cabbles said:

Airman Brown said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton are already a laughing stock and replacing yet another manager after ten minutes will add to the laughter. Who of any note do you seriously think would entertain coming to work at our three ring circus ? In the knowledge that you can’t polish a turd. At some point we’ve got to support a manager in the transfer market and give him time to get things how he wants things. I’ll make a judgement on Appleton next November and then only based on who he’s allowed to bring in. 

If he’s still here that will probably be academic because he’ll have to be doing will enough that the chums in charge don’t need a scapegoat. 

I wouldn’t rely on any of them being here next November.

As in, do you think the current owners will clear the decks of the current SLT on the footballing side, or, the current owners won’t be here by next November?

I’m guessing there will be some accountability at some point and that this wasn’t quite the pitch made. Thus far it’s probably just background noise, but in a year’s time…

NabySarr

L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:

NabySarr said:

There’s no way Eustace or Mowbray would drop to league 1, they will easily get decent championship jobs

Michael Duff would be my first choice. Failing that then maybe Gary Rowett would be more likely to drop down than those first 2 as he’s probably settled down here and played for us. 

Based on this regimes last 2 appointments though, there would have to be a serious change in ambition to get one of those 

Part of the reason Rowett left “the small club up the road”, was because he no longer wanted to commute from the midlands. 

Fair enough maybe not Rowett then. 

If we have some ambition then Michael Duff or Alex Neill from the unemployed list. 

Maybe go for giving a chance to a highly rated coach (worked for Pompey/Leicester/Plymouth recently), Ryan Mason or someone like that 

Or to try and unite the fans, Bowyer, Euell (would also fit highly rated coach) 

Oakster2

NabySarr said:

L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:

NabySarr said:

There’s no way Eustace or Mowbray would drop to league 1, they will easily get decent championship jobs

Michael Duff would be my first choice. Failing that then maybe Gary Rowett would be more likely to drop down than those first 2 as he’s probably settled down here and played for us. 

Based on this regimes last 2 appointments though, there would have to be a serious change in ambition to get one of those 

Part of the reason Rowett left “the small club up the road”, was because he no longer wanted to commute from the midlands. 

Fair enough maybe not Rowett then. 

If we have some ambition then Michael Duff or Alex Neill from the unemployed list. 

Maybe go for giving a chance to a highly rated coach (worked for Pompey/Leicester/Plymouth recently), Ryan Mason or someone like that 

Or to try and unite the fans, Bowyer, Euell (would also fit highly rated coach) 

Pete Wild at Barrow - watched a few of their recent games - he is doing an excellent job up there on the back of an excellent job at Halifax - maybe we are too far south but he'll go onto bigger things some day - rather him than a washed up non-entity like Appleton

NabySarr

Oakster2 said:

NabySarr said:

L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:

NabySarr said:

There’s no way Eustace or Mowbray would drop to league 1, they will easily get decent championship jobs

Michael Duff would be my first choice. Failing that then maybe Gary Rowett would be more likely to drop down than those first 2 as he’s probably settled down here and played for us. 

Based on this regimes last 2 appointments though, there would have to be a serious change in ambition to get one of those 

Part of the reason Rowett left “the small club up the road”, was because he no longer wanted to commute from the midlands. 

Fair enough maybe not Rowett then. 

If we have some ambition then Michael Duff or Alex Neill from the unemployed list. 

Maybe go for giving a chance to a highly rated coach (worked for Pompey/Leicester/Plymouth recently), Ryan Mason or someone like that 

Or to try and unite the fans, Bowyer, Euell (would also fit highly rated coach) 

Pete Wild at Barrow - watched a few of their recent games - he is doing an excellent job up there on the back of an excellent job at Halifax - maybe we are too far south but he'll go onto bigger things some day - rather him than a washed up non-entity like Appleton

That’s a good shout, we tried Challinor before who would probably be the best out of league 2 but Wild looks like a good young manager on the up

Danny Addick

Airman Brown said:

cabbles said:

Airman Brown said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton are already a laughing stock and replacing yet another manager after ten minutes will add to the laughter. Who of any note do you seriously think would entertain coming to work at our three ring circus ? In the knowledge that you can’t polish a turd. At some point we’ve got to support a manager in the transfer market and give him time to get things how he wants things. I’ll make a judgement on Appleton next November and then only based on who he’s allowed to bring in. 

If he’s still here that will probably be academic because he’ll have to be doing will enough that the chums in charge don’t need a scapegoat. 

I wouldn’t rely on any of them being here next November.

As in, do you think the current owners will clear the decks of the current SLT on the footballing side, or, the current owners won’t be here by next November?

I’m guessing there will be some accountability at some point and that this wasn’t quite the pitch made. Thus far it’s probably just background noise, but in a year’s time…

But isn’t Methven a minor shareholder? He can’t be moved out if so. 

cabbles

Airman Brown said:

cabbles said:

Airman Brown said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton are already a laughing stock and replacing yet another manager after ten minutes will add to the laughter. Who of any note do you seriously think would entertain coming to work at our three ring circus ? In the knowledge that you can’t polish a turd. At some point we’ve got to support a manager in the transfer market and give him time to get things how he wants things. I’ll make a judgement on Appleton next November and then only based on who he’s allowed to bring in. 

If he’s still here that will probably be academic because he’ll have to be doing will enough that the chums in charge don’t need a scapegoat. 

I wouldn’t rely on any of them being here next November.

As in, do you think the current owners will clear the decks of the current SLT on the footballing side, or, the current owners won’t be here by next November?

I’m guessing there will be some accountability at some point and that this wasn’t quite the pitch made. Thus far it’s probably just background noise, but in a year’s time…

Makes sense.  I can’t see the current owners being here in 2 years personally.  I think that whoever is in charge in the summer (Appleton/Scott etc), will get the 24/25 season, but that the squad and the investment will be no near what’s required, and at the end of that season, the investors will finally realise they’ve been sold a dud and will want to sell up, and we’ll be back to square one, but an even more unattractive investment 

As per my post further back in the thread, the way it’s panning out under the new owners, it’s made a few people who were talking them up, look a bit silly 

I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY

The last 3 managers to get us up were former players. Whose out there?

L0rd_M0ntagu3

NabySarr said:

L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:

NabySarr said:

There’s no way Eustace or Mowbray would drop to league 1, they will easily get decent championship jobs

Michael Duff would be my first choice. Failing that then maybe Gary Rowett would be more likely to drop down than those first 2 as he’s probably settled down here and played for us. 

Based on this regimes last 2 appointments though, there would have to be a serious change in ambition to get one of those 

Part of the reason Rowett left “the small club up the road”, was because he no longer wanted to commute from the midlands. 

Fair enough maybe not Rowett then. 

If we have some ambition then Michael Duff or Alex Neill from the unemployed list. 

Maybe go for giving a chance to a highly rated coach (worked for Pompey/Leicester/Plymouth recently), Ryan Mason or someone like that 

Or to try and unite the fans, Bowyer, Euell (would also fit highly rated coach) 

I’d be keen on Michael Duff. Not sure the fans would get on with his preferred use of the 352 tho

alburyaddick

Airman - could you identify any type of owner or existing owner in the EFL ( a realistic one) that you would be happy with ? 
It seems to me that 99% of potential owners of a club like Charlton are likely to be gambling chancers . No sensible business person would ever take it on. 

Stig

As each manager seems to be a little worse than the last, I'm worried about where we go next. Here's a name that got long history of management in the sport sector, Gordon Brittas. That'd be about Charlton's level. 

Rob

Surely our US owners know little about the game so are relying on the British management structure they’ve put in place. They acted quickly to get rid of Holden. Who would they need to get rid of now? They will be seeing that this isn’t working and being American they would want to act quickly I would think. But what can they do? It would take guts to get rid of the big guns they’ve put in place. But, things aren’t working. I have no idea how they’d need to go about changing things but as things stand we seem to be spiraling downwards. Is it as simple as sacking Appleton? Seems a lot bigger than that to me.
i suppose we have the transfer window ahead of us which may give us an idea of what they are about. I hope they act positively in some way. The core of the team just seems all wrong. 

Saulc23

I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:

The last 3 managers to get us up were former players. Who’s out there?

Lyle Taylor might fancy it as his first managerial job when he retires from playing? That would be a fun thread. 

Airman Brown

alburyaddick said:

Airman - could you identify any type of owner or existing owner in the EFL ( a realistic one) that you would be happy with ? 
It seems to me that 99% of potential owners of a club like Charlton are likely to be gambling chancers . No sensible business person would ever take it on. 

I don’t think this is about the character of the owners (bar Methven), except that they’ve been sold a pup. It’s about a fundamentally flawed approach by management which is essentially 1) playing success / player sales are all that matters and drive everything else (with no context), 2) we are cleverer than other people who have messed up here, and 3) if it all goes wrong we have no skin in the game anyway.

Of course we can argue that no sensible business person would ever buy most clubs, which is likely true. But that doesn’t mean they will all do it equally badly. The lack of control/ownership of the assets is what has enabled the three latest ownerships. It’s hard to see how we get beyond that at present.

Airman Brown

Danny Addick said:

Airman Brown said:

cabbles said:

Airman Brown said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton are already a laughing stock and replacing yet another manager after ten minutes will add to the laughter. Who of any note do you seriously think would entertain coming to work at our three ring circus ? In the knowledge that you can’t polish a turd. At some point we’ve got to support a manager in the transfer market and give him time to get things how he wants things. I’ll make a judgement on Appleton next November and then only based on who he’s allowed to bring in. 

If he’s still here that will probably be academic because he’ll have to be doing will enough that the chums in charge don’t need a scapegoat. 

I wouldn’t rely on any of them being here next November.

As in, do you think the current owners will clear the decks of the current SLT on the footballing side, or, the current owners won’t be here by next November?

I’m guessing there will be some accountability at some point and that this wasn’t quite the pitch made. Thus far it’s probably just background noise, but in a year’s time…

But isn’t Methven a minor shareholder? He can’t be moved out if so. 

He can surely be removed from any position of authority.

sam3110

Everything that's wrong with modern football fans in a thread. 

We've lost 3 games under Appleton.

THREE.

In 16(?) Games.

We lost more than that in the first 5 games of the season FFS. 

And if he was sacked, what message does that send out about the new owners? You think that would lead to managers of a decent quality queuing out the door wanting to work with them?

If that was Chris Powell most of you would be clamouring to "give him time", "he hasn't had a proper window to sort out his team yet", "at least he's movednus away from the relegation places".

It's pathetic, some of our fans are so deluded it's unreal