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England Cricket 2024
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England's 2024 Averages
Batting:
Inn - Runs - HS - Ave - SR
Root 31 - 1556 - 262 - 55.57 - 63.38
Brook 20 - 1100 - 317 - 55.00 - 85.00
Bethell 6 - 260 - 96 - 52.00 - 75.14
Smith 15 - 637 - 111 - 42.46 - 72.30
Duckett 32 - 1149 - 153 - 37.06 - 87.04
Pope 30 - 994 - 196 - 33.13 - 68.88
Robinson 2 - 58 - 58 - 29.00 - 58.58
Stokes 23 - 602 - 80 - 28.66 - 65.72
Crawley 25 - 695 - 79 - 27.80 - 71.79
Bairstow 10 - 238 - 39 - 23.80 - 82.06
Atkinson 16 - 445 - 118 - 23.46 - 79.10
Foakes 10 - 205 - 47 - 20.50 - 39.34
Lawrence 6 - 120 - 35 - 20.00 - 65.57
Woakes 13 - 216 - 62 - 19.63 - 56.54
Carse 7 - 94 - 33* - 18.80 - 78.99
Hartley 10 - 185 - 36 - 18.50 - 65.14
Leach 6 - 52 - 25* - 17.33 - 72.22
Stone 4 - 47 - 15* - 15.66 - 52.22
Rehan Ahmed 8 - 92 - 28 - 11.50 - 53.80
Wood 10 - 83 - 33 - 10.37 - 75.45
Potts 7 - 56 - 21 - 9.33 - 53.84
Hull 2 - 9 - 7* - 9.00 - 56.25
Shoaib Bashir 23 - 76 - 13 - 6.90 - 36.71
Anderson 9 - 13 - 6 - 2.60 - 24.07
Bowling:
Overs - Runs - WKts - Ave - ER
Carse 156.1 - 536 - 27 - 19.85 - 3.43
Atkinson 308.4 -1152 - 52 - 22.15 - 3.73
Woakes 260.4 - 771 - 32 - 24.09 - 2.95
Bethell 15.2 - 77 - 3 - 25.66 - 5.02
Anderson 136.4 - 393 - 14 - 28.07 - 2.87
Stone 42.0 - 206 - 7 - 29.42 - 4.90
Potts 124.0 - 387 - 13 - 29.76 - 3.12
Hull 17.0 - 91 - 3 - 30.33 - 5.35
Leach 171.2 -599 - 18 - 33.27 - 3.49
Hartley 250.4 - 795 - 22 - 36.13 - 3.17
Rehan Ahmed 136.1 - 550 - 15 - 36.66 - 4.03
Stokes 130.1 - 479 - 13 - 36.84 - 3.67
Wood 154.1 - 558 - 15 - 37.20 - 3.61
Shoaib Bashir 524.3 -1968 - 49 - 40.16 - 3.75
Root 158.4 - 561 - 11 - 51.00 - 3.53
Brook 2.0 - 13 - 0 - 0.00 - 6.50
Lawrence 8.0 - 36 - 0 - 0.00 - 4.50
Robinson 13.0 - 54 - 0 - 0.00 - 4.15
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England Men’s Lions Squad that's going to AustraliaSonny Baker (Hampshire)Shoaib Bashir (Somerset)Pat Brown (Derbyshire)James Coles (Sussex)Sam Cook (Essex)Alex Davies (Warwickshire)Rocky Flintoff (Lancashire)Tom Hartley (Lancashire)Tom Lawes (Surrey)Freddie McCann (Nottinghamshire)Ben McKinney (Durham)James Rew (Somerset)Hamza Shaikh (Warwickshire)Mitch Stanley (Lancashire)Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire)John Turner (Hampshire)0
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Good to see Bashir on that trip and very much the forgotten man, at Lancashire and England, Hartley. Coles can hopefully use the trip to put himself in the frame. Robinson appears to have fallen through some sort of hole between being good enough to be called up for England but the likes of Davies, McKinney (Durham team mate of Robinson) and Rew preferred for the trip.
Perhaps, though, Davies has been called up not to keep, as he's relinquished the gloves at Warwickshire, but to open. He averaged 50.68 in the CC and the reason for him going, at the age of 30, surely has to be with a view to getting a good look at him for the England opening spot. Despite losing Rhodes to Durham), the form of Davies, Hain and Yates and arrival of Latham actually creates a bit of an issue if England want Bethell to bat in the top three for the county.
Another interesting opener, though very much at the other end of the age spectrum, is 19 year old Freddie McCann who averages 51.10 in FC cricket, albeit from just 7 innings, but that includes 2 hundreds and a fifty. I would say that it's far too early for McCann to be anything other than an outside for the Ashes but, under this regime specifically, if he were to carry that form into next season then, given the example of Bethell, you wouldn't want to bet against that happening.0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cy89jww8g7lo
Away from England, I hadn't noticed that Ravichandran Ashwin has retired from international cricket with immediate effect, with 2 Tests of the current series still to go.
537 wickets at 24.00, the 7th highest, and a handy average of 25.75 with the bat also, including 6 tons.0 -
If I was England I would be going to Liam Dawson and askingbwhat it would take for him to be available for test cricket from now till the ashes. He has to be our best option. Experienced, knows his game has played around the world can hold up an end or attack. The best spinner in the country.
Spinners mature much later so the exposure our young spinners have got over the last couple years will be so useful in their careers long term but exposing then to an away ashes would be negligent.
Dawsons ability with the bat would be valuable too and would take away the issues created when stokes is injured.5 -
Bethell is making his Big Bash debut in a matter of minutes and Pope and Duckett will be playing for their respective teams. So much for our boys being fatigued from the NZ tour and desperate to get home!3
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cantersaddick said:If I was England I would be going to Liam Dawson and askingbwhat it would take for him to be available for test cricket from now till the ashes. He has to be our best option. Experienced, knows his game has played around the world can hold up an end or attack. The best spinner in the country.
Spinners mature much later so the exposure our young spinners have got over the last couple years will be so useful in their careers long term but exposing then to an away ashes would be negligent.
Dawsons ability with the bat would be valuable too and would take away the issues created when stokes is injured.
Gone are the days when each and every player will drop everything because of that call from England especially for someone like Dawson who will recognise that there is no longevity in the position. A 20 year old would be persuaded but it has to be questionable as to whether we can influence a 35 year old who has other franchise interests and has been overlooked so many times.3 -
I wonder if the choice of spinner for the Ashes will take up as much thought from the selectors as it does from the armchair viewers. Because there's a paucity of exceptional performances from England spinners down under.
This century, there has been only one Ashes Test in Australia that England have won, on the strength of a spinner taking more than a couple of wickets in an innings. Once. In what will be a quarter of a century.
In that match Graeme Swann took his fifth - and match-winning - wicket in his 42nd over, bowling Peter Siddle. Match-winning, but not what you might call match-changing. Because Australia were facing a mammoth 375 first innings deficit, after England piled up 620-5.
Let's face it, if we're 375 ahead on first innings, there's a good chance we'd win whoever bowls at the other end from the seamers. Put it another way, if Australia are facing a 375 first innings deficit in the First Ashes Test next year, the selectors have done a good job, no matter who the spinner is.
I think Bashir is in prime position as we stand, simply because of the sunk investment cost of giving him fifteen Tests so far. And I think, if they get the batting line-up right (they're nearly there), they make the right decision about the keeper (which will be a difficult choice between good options) and they get the seam attack firing, in-form and fit (tough job), the decision about the spinner will assume a very much lower priority.0 -
Addick Addict said:Bethell is making his Big Bash debut in a matter of minutes and Pope and Duckett will be playing for their respective teams. So much for our boys being fatigued from the NZ tour and desperate to get home!
That was one of the weirdest BBL games I've seen. Hobart with one of the worst batting displays I've seen since the Thunder got rolled for 15.1 -
Addick Addict said:Bethell is making his Big Bash debut in a matter of minutes and Pope and Duckett will be playing for their respective teams. So much for our boys being fatigued from the NZ tour and desperate to get home!1
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Chizz said:I wonder if the choice of spinner for the Ashes will take up as much thought from the selectors as it does from the armchair viewers. Because there's a paucity of exceptional performances from England spinners down under.
This century, there has been only one Ashes Test in Australia that England have won, on the strength of a spinner taking more than a couple of wickets in an innings. Once. In what will be a quarter of a century.
In that match Graeme Swann took his fifth - and match-winning - wicket in his 42nd over, bowling Peter Siddle. Match-winning, but not what you might call match-changing. Because Australia were facing a mammoth 375 first innings deficit, after England piled up 620-5.
Let's face it, if we're 375 ahead on first innings, there's a good chance we'd win whoever bowls at the other end from the seamers. Put it another way, if Australia are facing a 375 first innings deficit in the First Ashes Test next year, the selectors have done a good job, no matter who the spinner is.
I think Bashir is in prime position as we stand, simply because of the sunk investment cost of giving him fifteen Tests so far. And I think, if they get the batting line-up right (they're nearly there), they make the right decision about the keeper (which will be a difficult choice between good options) and they get the seam attack firing, in-form and fit (tough job), the decision about the spinner will assume a very much lower priority.2 -
I'm surprised the Lions are having another look at Tom Hartley. Seems a bit weird when you've got a batting left arm spinner there in James Coles too.1
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MarcusH26 said:I'm surprised the Lions are having another look at Tom Hartley. Seems a bit weird when you've got a batting left arm spinner there in James Coles too.
That goes for Hartley too. Not sure about Coles but at least he's a regular in county cricket. However, Jack Carson is qualified for England and took 50 wickets in the CC last season at 22.46. He has the same action as Bashir who took the grand total of 6 wickets in the CC for Somerset and Worcestershire 89.83 a time.
McCullum and Key want to be proven right in picking Crawley, Bashir and Hartley. The fact that neither spinner is rated sufficiently by their counties to even play at that level does not matter one iota to them. They will carry on regardless, though if the argument is that Crawley needs to be 30 before maturing then those two will probably need to wait until Bashir and Hartley get beyond that age to reach their peak given how underused they have been in their career to date. That's almost another decade of Bashir playing for England.
Where all of this becomes an issue is where other opening bats or spinners come to the correct conclusion that there is no merit in hanging about and waiting for a call. They might as well sign up for franchises. Which is probably why the ECB want to have their cake and eat it by preventing county red ball cricketers from doing just that.2 -
Addick Addict said:MarcusH26 said:I'm surprised the Lions are having another look at Tom Hartley. Seems a bit weird when you've got a batting left arm spinner there in James Coles too.
That goes for Hartley too. Not sure about Coles but at least he's a regular in county cricket. However, Jack Carson is qualified for England and took 50 wickets in the CC last season at 22.46. He has the same action as Bashir who took the grand total of 6 wickets in the CC for Somerset and Worcestershire 89.83 a time.
McCullum and Key want to be proven right in picking Crawley, Bashir and Hartley. The fact that neither spinner is rated sufficiently by their counties to even play at that level does not matter one iota to them. They will carry on regardless, though if the argument is that Crawley needs to be 30 before maturing then those two will probably need to wait until Bashir and Hartley get beyond that age to reach their peak given how underused they have been in their career to date. That's almost another decade of Bashir playing for England.
Where all of this becomes an issue is where other opening bats or spinners come to the correct conclusion that there is no merit in hanging about and waiting for a call. They might as well sign up for franchises. Which is probably why the ECB want to have their cake and eat it by preventing county red ball cricketers from doing just that.
Carson confuses me as to how he's not involved, I watched basically every Sussex game on stream that I could last season and he's a very good prospect. Luke Wright would have worked with him too at Sussex so unless there's underlying attitude concerns after he was banned for tripping in 2023 I honestly don't understand why he's not around the Lions again. He's gone down under for the winter to play in Aussie conditions so he's over there anyway.
James Coles I also rate as a prospect but I see him more as a Batter that will give you some part time overs very much in the ilk of ironically a Liam Dawson1 -
MarcusH26 said:Addick Addict said:MarcusH26 said:I'm surprised the Lions are having another look at Tom Hartley. Seems a bit weird when you've got a batting left arm spinner there in James Coles too.
That goes for Hartley too. Not sure about Coles but at least he's a regular in county cricket. However, Jack Carson is qualified for England and took 50 wickets in the CC last season at 22.46. He has the same action as Bashir who took the grand total of 6 wickets in the CC for Somerset and Worcestershire 89.83 a time.
McCullum and Key want to be proven right in picking Crawley, Bashir and Hartley. The fact that neither spinner is rated sufficiently by their counties to even play at that level does not matter one iota to them. They will carry on regardless, though if the argument is that Crawley needs to be 30 before maturing then those two will probably need to wait until Bashir and Hartley get beyond that age to reach their peak given how underused they have been in their career to date. That's almost another decade of Bashir playing for England.
Where all of this becomes an issue is where other opening bats or spinners come to the correct conclusion that there is no merit in hanging about and waiting for a call. They might as well sign up for franchises. Which is probably why the ECB want to have their cake and eat it by preventing county red ball cricketers from doing just that.
Carson confuses me as to how he's not involved, I watched basically every Sussex game on stream that I could last season and he's a very good prospect. Luke Wright would have worked with him too at Sussex so unless there's underlying attitude concerns after he was banned for tripping in 2023 I honestly don't understand why he's not around the Lions again. He's gone down under for the winter to play in Aussie conditions so he's over there anyway.
James Coles I also rate as a prospect but I see him more as a Batter that will give you some part time overs very much in the ilk of ironically a Liam Dawson
England do have that other spin option avenue to explore in Bethell. If I were them then I would actively encourage him to keep bowling in red and white ball and not allow that to become a bit part as has with Root and even more so with KP. A spinner that can bat in the top four is somewhat unique after all and no one is expecting him to be the real deal sooner rather than later as opposed to Bashir, who struggles to know one end of the bat from the other, so his bowling must stand on its own.1 -
Addick Addict said:MarcusH26 said:Addick Addict said:MarcusH26 said:I'm surprised the Lions are having another look at Tom Hartley. Seems a bit weird when you've got a batting left arm spinner there in James Coles too.
That goes for Hartley too. Not sure about Coles but at least he's a regular in county cricket. However, Jack Carson is qualified for England and took 50 wickets in the CC last season at 22.46. He has the same action as Bashir who took the grand total of 6 wickets in the CC for Somerset and Worcestershire 89.83 a time.
McCullum and Key want to be proven right in picking Crawley, Bashir and Hartley. The fact that neither spinner is rated sufficiently by their counties to even play at that level does not matter one iota to them. They will carry on regardless, though if the argument is that Crawley needs to be 30 before maturing then those two will probably need to wait until Bashir and Hartley get beyond that age to reach their peak given how underused they have been in their career to date. That's almost another decade of Bashir playing for England.
Where all of this becomes an issue is where other opening bats or spinners come to the correct conclusion that there is no merit in hanging about and waiting for a call. They might as well sign up for franchises. Which is probably why the ECB want to have their cake and eat it by preventing county red ball cricketers from doing just that.
Carson confuses me as to how he's not involved, I watched basically every Sussex game on stream that I could last season and he's a very good prospect. Luke Wright would have worked with him too at Sussex so unless there's underlying attitude concerns after he was banned for tripping in 2023 I honestly don't understand why he's not around the Lions again. He's gone down under for the winter to play in Aussie conditions so he's over there anyway.
James Coles I also rate as a prospect but I see him more as a Batter that will give you some part time overs very much in the ilk of ironically a Liam Dawson
England do have that other spin option avenue to explore in Bethell. If I were them then I would actively encourage him to keep bowling in red and white ball and not allow that to become a bit part as has with Root and even more so with KP. A spinner that can bat in the top four is somewhat unique after all and no one is expecting him to be the real deal sooner rather than later as opposed to Bashir, who struggles to know one end of the bat from the other, so his bowling must stand on its own.
Wouldn't be an option on spinning pitches etc but could work down under given Leach and Bashir aren't pulling up many trees.2 -
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/middlesex-launch-ambitious-bid-to-sign-kane-williamson-for-next-season-as-counties-continue-to-make-moves-for-new-zealand-stars/ar-AA1waELd
Middlesex after Kane Williamson, Southee to Hampshire , Will O'Rourke was going to Somerset but NZC only want him playing in the first block of the Blast + 1 round of the champ so they're in for Matt Henry instead.
Looks like most of the Kiwi test side is going to be over here....1 -
Ollie Pope (who is keeping) and Jamie Overton (Adelaide Strikers) versus Ben Duckett and Tom Curran (Melbourne Stars) this morning0
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MarcusH26 said:England Men’s Lions Squad that's going to AustraliaSonny Baker (Hampshire)Shoaib Bashir (Somerset)Pat Brown (Derbyshire)James Coles (Sussex)Sam Cook (Essex)Alex Davies (Warwickshire)Rocky Flintoff (Lancashire)Tom Hartley (Lancashire)Tom Lawes (Surrey)Freddie McCann (Nottinghamshire)Ben McKinney (Durham)James Rew (Somerset)Hamza Shaikh (Warwickshire)Mitch Stanley (Lancashire)Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire)John Turner (Hampshire)1
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killerandflash said:Addick Addict said:Bethell is making his Big Bash debut in a matter of minutes and Pope and Duckett will be playing for their respective teams. So much for our boys being fatigued from the NZ tour and desperate to get home!2
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A very interesting pick from Australia for the next Test against India - they've dropped Nathan McSweeney and brought in the much talked about 19 year old, Sam Konstas.0
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Addick Addict said:A very interesting pick from Australia for the next Test against India - they've dropped Nathan McSweeney and brought in the much talked about 19 year old, Sam Konstas.0
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fenaddick said:Addick Addict said:A very interesting pick from Australia for the next Test against India - they've dropped Nathan McSweeney and brought in the much talked about 19 year old, Sam Konstas.0
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Duckett has just taken one of the most unbelievable diving, one handed catches over his head from a full blooded drive from D'Arcy Short.1
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Addick Addict said:fenaddick said:Addick Addict said:A very interesting pick from Australia for the next Test against India - they've dropped Nathan McSweeney and brought in the much talked about 19 year old, Sam Konstas.
Ultimately, as an England fan I'm happy to see their top order in disarray but I feel sorry for both McSweeney and Konstas on a human level2 -
fenaddick said:Addick Addict said:fenaddick said:Addick Addict said:A very interesting pick from Australia for the next Test against India - they've dropped Nathan McSweeney and brought in the much talked about 19 year old, Sam Konstas.
Ultimately, as an England fan I'm happy to see their top order in disarray but I feel sorry for both McSweeney and Konstas on a human level0 -
Addick Addict said:Duckett has just taken one of the most unbelievable diving, one handed catches over his head from a full blooded drive from D'Arcy Short.0
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Addick Addict said:Ollie Pope (who is keeping) and Jamie Overton (Adelaide Strikers) versus Ben Duckett and Tom Curran (Melbourne Stars) this morning0
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killerandflash said:Addick Addict said:Ollie Pope (who is keeping) and Jamie Overton (Adelaide Strikers) versus Ben Duckett and Tom Curran (Melbourne Stars) this morning0