I don't think there's any doubt Fiorini has talent, otherwise he wouldn't be on City's books..
The problem is, he hasn't been playing, he doesn't sound match fit, he isn't a player on a long term basis and we need certain characters right now to ensure we don't get dragged into that relegation mess.
I wouldn't be surprised if we got 6 or less points from the next 27 avaliable. There are better players that are ready to go and would ensure we don't find ourselves down there, these are cheap-o options, if you can't see that then I don't know what to say at this point.
If these loan signings don't hit the ground running, are they really the types of characters up to a fight? My gut instinct says they'll pick up easy wages while not too concerned where we end up as a club, like so many before them. It's a win win situation for these types of players coming in on loan
The concern runs a lot deeper than if a player is decent imo.
Anyone who sees these signings as positives I can only envy you, I imagine life outside Charlton would be a lot more upbeat if I could find the positives in any poor situation like this
A general misconception in today's football world. The likes of Man city,Liverpool,Arsenal... Hoover these kids up for fun. The majority are just kept on as training fodder for the real talent coming through their ranks. There are the odd one or two that they really feel could progress. The Rak- Sakyis and the Gallagher's are sent out to improve them to come back as stronger players. But as someone has already mentioned, we don't seem to be signing those types now. We are now getting the boys labelled for the trash can that have served their purpose for their parent clubs.
We are in a perverse situation where we are losing our best young talents to the big boys youth systems before they've hardly put on a shirt for us and they are sending all of their shit back in our direction.
Talk from the owners that we are serious about getting out of this league as it's unsustainable to stay in it each season are bullshit if you ask me. They have already shown their plan is to run it like every other bog standard league one club. Don't expect us to be making moves anytime soon
I’m wary of signing an injury prone player who hasn’t played this season given our special skill in crippling footballers. With Terry Taylor and McGrandles it’s not so strange because we signed them on long term contracts but a 6 month loan feels like it’ll be mostly spent returning to fitness and then returning to unfitness. Hope not but I’m not putting too much expectation on this one right now.
The positive again though is it’s another Appleton signing. He’s got his big lump in the middle and his little mate just like he wanted. No excuses now.
What I can’t get my head around is why Scott built up expectations for permanent signings in the window only to sign two loans in the first week.
Good we’ve moved fairly quickly, but as said if they do well for us there will be plenty of interest from other clubs in the summer.
The only way it makes sense is if we go on to make a minimum of 2/3 permanent signings in this window.
Have we gone for these two because Coventry and Doherty turned us down?
Yeah I said similar yesterday. Only way we still want more CMs is if others are leaving. It wouldn’t surprise me if Fraser and/Dobson move on in addition to Watson returning to Luton (that’s expected while MA is here).
What I can’t get my head around is why Scott built up expectations for permanent signings in the window only to sign two loans in the first week.
Good we’ve moved fairly quickly, but as said if they do well for us there will be plenty of interest from other clubs in the summer.
The only way it makes sense is if we go on to make a minimum of 2/3 permanent signings in this window.
My guess is because that's what Methven told him. My other guess is Methven told his fellow ownership group a completely different story and that they won't need to throw endless money at it because his senior leadership team is so good.
I still strongly feel that Methven will be left holding the baby here as the characters he managed to get on board start to realise he told them a load of bollox
What I can’t get my head around is why Scott built up expectations for permanent signings in the window only to sign two loans in the first week.
Good we’ve moved fairly quickly, but as said if they do well for us there will be plenty of interest from other clubs in the summer.
The only way it makes sense is if we go on to make a minimum of 2/3 permanent signings in this window.
Have we gone for these two because Coventry and Doherty turned us down?
Yeah I said similar yesterday. Only way we still want more CMs is if others are leaving. It wouldn’t surprise me if Fraser and/Dobson move on in addition to Watson returning to Luton (that’s expected while MA is here).
Assuming Watson goes it’s Dobson, Bakinson, Fiorini, McGrandles, Camara, Taylor, Fraser, Anderson, Chem for three spaces. I get the feeling that once there’s any other option at all Chem will be sent back to sit in the corner and Anderson isn’t really fancied yet. Taylor I assume will be very gently eased back in and might not feature this season, Camara is a write off and McGrandles has more than his share of injuries.
I think we’ve brought in some need right now players and will continue to work on the permanents but we’ll need players to leave first. I doubt Fraser is going anywhere but Dobson is a possibility
Despite all the talk (and not just at Charlton) at having sophisticated, data led recruitment processes, it's amazing how many lower division transfers still involve players the manager has previously worked with.
I’m willing to give everyone a chance, but the fact it’s been so bad for so long now overall on the players we’ve brought in, the fact that this guy, and the Plymouth CB come with talk of fitness struggles, really concerns me in terms of who we can attract
I just have a concern in general that we seem to be bringing in a constant stream of players now that just turn up, and you struggle to remember any of them. I hope this guy and Bakinson do well, but I’m just not confident
Believe if he’s ready to come in and start straight away, he’ll show he is a good player. Whether we can sign him permanently or again on loan next season if he does well, that’s a matter for the summer.
Either way, we need quality in now to help us out. The squad lacks it, so yes they said we would be getting in permanent signings and they don’t want to rely on loans, it doesn’t look great initially. However, it’s 5 days into the window, a day or so ago no one had even mentioned either of these players which shows that no matter what people may think or like to think, they haven’t a clue how close we are or players or know the ins and outs of every player we are targeting. It’s exhausting reading the over analysis on players that frankly 95% know nothing or very little about.
Regarding the academy and our own youth, we’ve spent a number of seasons in the third tier, the same thing happens at youth level as it does with first team level. The longer we are down here, the less chance we have of producing players who are good enough because they go to better clubs with better facilities in higher leagues playing against the better players from category 1 academies.
Sure, we’ve regularly produced good players before, but we had been higher in the pyramid than the sustained time in League One we’ve had and experiencing now. Also, in the last 2 or 3 years, how many players from the academy have come through and been good enough for the standard required?
That’s not harsh, that’s the reality of where we are at.
At last someone talking sense, makes a pleasant change on here
What I can’t get my head around is why Scott built up expectations for permanent signings in the window only to sign two loans in the first week.
Good we’ve moved fairly quickly, but as said if they do well for us there will be plenty of interest from other clubs in the summer.
The only way it makes sense is if we go on to make a minimum of 2/3 permanent signings in this window.
Have we gone for these two because Coventry and Doherty turned us down?
Yeah I said similar yesterday. Only way we still want more CMs is if others are leaving. It wouldn’t surprise me if Fraser and/Dobson move on in addition to Watson returning to Luton (that’s expected while MA is here).
We’ll finish higher in the league by keeping Watson over Appleton!
He won’t be playing tomorrow will he, so I don’t fully understand the issue here?
Because January loans should be coming in ready to hit the ground running, not needing a month to get up to match fitness. This is a truly bizarre bit of business imo
Of course, but for all our January signings to be match fit and ready to start matches is an unrealistic expectation in our current position. Sorry.
He won’t be playing tomorrow will he, so I don’t fully understand the issue here?
Because January loans should be coming in ready to hit the ground running, not needing a month to get up to match fitness. This is a truly bizarre bit of business imo
Of course, but for all our January signings to be match fit and ready to start matches is an unrealistic expectation in our current position. Sorry.
Both Scott and Appleton said they only wanted players who were fit and could make an immediate impact. If that's an unrealistic expectation, don't say it.
He won’t be playing tomorrow will he, so I don’t fully understand the issue here?
The issue is we were told by Scott that we’d be signing players that had been playing recently so why wouldn’t he be playing tomorrow James?
Agreed, but I never listen to what these people say with any great expectation that it’ll happen.
I think we’re living in cloud cookoo land if we expect top quality, match fit players, who are better than what we have, to be queuing up to join Charlton, sadly. I wish they were, but they’re not.
He won’t be playing tomorrow will he, so I don’t fully understand the issue here?
Because January loans should be coming in ready to hit the ground running, not needing a month to get up to match fitness. This is a truly bizarre bit of business imo
Of course, but for all our January signings to be match fit and ready to start matches is an unrealistic expectation in our current position. Sorry.
Both Scott and Appleton said they only wanted players who were fit and could make an immediate impact. If that's an unrealistic expectation, don't say it.
I agree. 100%. But I think there’s a certain level of nativity required in order to believe them.
He won’t be playing tomorrow will he, so I don’t fully understand the issue here?
Because January loans should be coming in ready to hit the ground running, not needing a month to get up to match fitness. This is a truly bizarre bit of business imo
Of course, but for all our January signings to be match fit and ready to start matches is an unrealistic expectation in our current position. Sorry.
Both Scott and Appleton said they only wanted players who were fit and could make an immediate impact. If that's an unrealistic expectation, don't say it.
I agree. 100%. But I think there’s a certain level of nativity required in order to believe them.
It's not naive to expect them to follow through with their publicly stated strategy.
Trust in club leadership is built on consistency between what they say and what they do.
He won’t be playing tomorrow will he, so I don’t fully understand the issue here?
Because January loans should be coming in ready to hit the ground running, not needing a month to get up to match fitness. This is a truly bizarre bit of business imo
Of course, but for all our January signings to be match fit and ready to start matches is an unrealistic expectation in our current position. Sorry.
Both Scott and Appleton said they only wanted players who were fit and could make an immediate impact. If that's an unrealistic expectation, don't say it.
I agree. 100%. But I think there’s a certain level of nativity required in order to believe them.
It's not naive to expect them to follow through with their publicly stated strategy.
Trust in club leadership is built on consistency between what they say and what they do.
I agree, but until I’ve seen what they do I’ll take everything they say with a giant pinch of salt.
He won’t be playing tomorrow will he, so I don’t fully understand the issue here?
Because January loans should be coming in ready to hit the ground running, not needing a month to get up to match fitness. This is a truly bizarre bit of business imo
Of course, but for all our January signings to be match fit and ready to start matches is an unrealistic expectation in our current position. Sorry.
I disagree entirely when it comes to loan options.
He won’t be playing tomorrow will he, so I don’t fully understand the issue here?
Because January loans should be coming in ready to hit the ground running, not needing a month to get up to match fitness. This is a truly bizarre bit of business imo
Of course, but for all our January signings to be match fit and ready to start matches is an unrealistic expectation in our current position. Sorry.
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The likes of Man city,Liverpool,Arsenal... Hoover these kids up for fun. The majority are just kept on as training fodder for the real talent coming through their ranks.
There are the odd one or two that they really feel could progress. The Rak- Sakyis and the Gallagher's are sent out to improve them to come back as stronger players.
But as someone has already mentioned, we don't seem to be signing those types now. We are now getting the boys labelled for the trash can that have served their purpose for their parent clubs.
We are in a perverse situation where we are losing our best young talents to the big boys youth systems before they've hardly put on a shirt for us and they are sending all of their shit back in our direction.
Talk from the owners that we are serious about getting out of this league as it's unsustainable to stay in it each season are bullshit if you ask me. They have already shown their plan is to run it like every other bog standard league one club.
Don't expect us to be making moves anytime soon
Good we’ve moved fairly quickly, but as said if they do well for us there will be plenty of interest from other clubs in the summer.
The only way it makes sense is if we go on to make a minimum of 2/3 permanent signings in this window.
My other guess is Methven told his fellow ownership group a completely different story and that they won't need to throw endless money at it because his senior leadership team is so good.
I still strongly feel that Methven will be left holding the baby here as the characters he managed to get on board start to realise he told them a load of bollox
He's clearly telling us this is his type of player and saying at the same time to some of the team that you're a bunch of fecking lightweights.
Could be interesting when he's fit in a couple of years.
Trust in club leadership is built on consistency between what they say and what they do.
We need them to make an immediate impact.