Not enthused by this appointment as NJ has had two poor appointments more recently than Luton but pleased that the club have made a higher level appointment. I'm even less enthused by the actions of our SMT who by delaying the termination of Appleton have put us in danger of relegation that even the messiah that is Jones might not avoid.
However I will give him and his team my full support and hope that my unenthusiastic post is wrong.
Tbf Lancs, he went back to Luton between Stoke and Southampton, and won manager of the season in the championship.
Which tells me he's more than capable, he just ran before he could get up to a light jogging speed, again.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake three times with us
Just on your last line, both times he left Luton the next manager had success in part because he’d built a solid foundation. If he does that with us and gets poached it will be annoying but at least we’d be in a better position
That is my logic, he laid the foundations for two different managers to achieve promotions which he may well have earned himself.
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
I wish supporters would not get carried away with new manager signing just because he has Charlton history. Yes he did well with Luton but other wise not been a great success. Proof of the pudding and all that remember. I will make my judgement a month of or two from now.
Not enthused by this appointment as NJ has had two poor appointments more recently than Luton but pleased that the club have made a higher level appointment. I'm even less enthused by the actions of our SMT who by delaying the termination of Appleton have put us in danger of relegation that even the messiah that is Jones might not avoid.
However I will give him and his team my full support and hope that my unenthusiastic post is wrong.
Tbf Lancs, he went back to Luton between Stoke and Southampton, and won manager of the season in the championship.
Which tells me he's more than capable, he just ran before he could get up to a light jogging speed, again.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake three times with us
Just on your last line, both times he left Luton the next manager had success in part because he’d built a solid foundation. If he does that with us and gets poached it will be annoying but at least we’d be in a better position
That is my logic, he laid the foundations for two different managers to achieve promotions which he may well have earned himself.
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
Plus imagine how good it would be to have a manager so good he gets poached!
I wish supporters would not get carried away with new manager signing just because he has Charlton history. Yes he did well with Luton but other wise not been a great success. Proof of the pudding and all that remember. I will make my judgement a month of or two from now.
Not enthused by this appointment as NJ has had two poor appointments more recently than Luton but pleased that the club have made a higher level appointment. I'm even less enthused by the actions of our SMT who by delaying the termination of Appleton have put us in danger of relegation that even the messiah that is Jones might not avoid.
However I will give him and his team my full support and hope that my unenthusiastic post is wrong.
Tbf Lancs, he went back to Luton between Stoke and Southampton, and won manager of the season in the championship.
Which tells me he's more than capable, he just ran before he could get up to a light jogging speed, again.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake three times with us
Just on your last line, both times he left Luton the next manager had success in part because he’d built a solid foundation. If he does that with us and gets poached it will be annoying but at least we’d be in a better position
That is my logic, he laid the foundations for two different managers to achieve promotions which he may well have earned himself.
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
Plus imagine how good it would be to have a manager so good he gets poached!
Not enthused by this appointment as NJ has had two poor appointments more recently than Luton but pleased that the club have made a higher level appointment. I'm even less enthused by the actions of our SMT who by delaying the termination of Appleton have put us in danger of relegation that even the messiah that is Jones might not avoid.
However I will give him and his team my full support and hope that my unenthusiastic post is wrong.
Tbf Lancs, he went back to Luton between Stoke and Southampton, and won manager of the season in the championship.
Which tells me he's more than capable, he just ran before he could get up to a light jogging speed, again.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake three times with us
Just on your last line, both times he left Luton the next manager had success in part because he’d built a solid foundation. If he does that with us and gets poached it will be annoying but at least we’d be in a better position
That is my logic, he laid the foundations for two different managers to achieve promotions which he may well have earned himself.
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
Plus imagine how good it would be to have a manager so good he gets poached!
Not enthused by this appointment as NJ has had two poor appointments more recently than Luton but pleased that the club have made a higher level appointment. I'm even less enthused by the actions of our SMT who by delaying the termination of Appleton have put us in danger of relegation that even the messiah that is Jones might not avoid.
However I will give him and his team my full support and hope that my unenthusiastic post is wrong.
Tbf Lancs, he went back to Luton between Stoke and Southampton, and won manager of the season in the championship.
Which tells me he's more than capable, he just ran before he could get up to a light jogging speed, again.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake three times with us
Just on your last line, both times he left Luton the next manager had success in part because he’d built a solid foundation. If he does that with us and gets poached it will be annoying but at least we’d be in a better position
That is my logic, he laid the foundations for two different managers to achieve promotions which he may well have earned himself.
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
Plus imagine how good it would be to have a manager so good he gets poached!
Lee Bowyer exists!
We’ve had so many managers since I totally forgot that happened! Although things were on a decline here (largely through things out of his control) so he jumped a bit before he was pushed. If it wasn’t for being an ex Brum player not sure he’d have got the job
Completely ignoring his Southampton time. They failed to win their last six games at the end of the 21/22 season under Hasenhuttl. Jones came in during the November after he was sacked after winning twice in nine games. They were easily the worst team in the league regardless of manager.
Jones actually went unbeaten in his first three league games there.They won two league games in sixteen after he left.
Not enthused by this appointment as NJ has had two poor appointments more recently than Luton but pleased that the club have made a higher level appointment. I'm even less enthused by the actions of our SMT who by delaying the termination of Appleton have put us in danger of relegation that even the messiah that is Jones might not avoid.
However I will give him and his team my full support and hope that my unenthusiastic post is wrong.
Tbf Lancs, he went back to Luton between Stoke and Southampton, and won manager of the season in the championship.
Which tells me he's more than capable, he just ran before he could get up to a light jogging speed, again.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake three times with us
Just on your last line, both times he left Luton the next manager had success in part because he’d built a solid foundation. If he does that with us and gets poached it will be annoying but at least we’d be in a better position
That is my logic, he laid the foundations for two different managers to achieve promotions which he may well have earned himself.
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
Plus imagine how good it would be to have a manager so good he gets poached!
Not enthused by this appointment as NJ has had two poor appointments more recently than Luton but pleased that the club have made a higher level appointment. I'm even less enthused by the actions of our SMT who by delaying the termination of Appleton have put us in danger of relegation that even the messiah that is Jones might not avoid.
However I will give him and his team my full support and hope that my unenthusiastic post is wrong.
Tbf Lancs, he went back to Luton between Stoke and Southampton, and won manager of the season in the championship.
Which tells me he's more than capable, he just ran before he could get up to a light jogging speed, again.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake three times with us
Just on your last line, both times he left Luton the next manager had success in part because he’d built a solid foundation. If he does that with us and gets poached it will be annoying but at least we’d be in a better position
That is my logic, he laid the foundations for two different managers to achieve promotions which he may well have earned himself.
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
Plus imagine how good it would be to have a manager so good he gets poached!
As with anyone who arrives we’ll wait a bit before we can judge , failing that I’ll only listen to the clubs whose fans talk highly of him and the others are just bitter supporters who are clueless.
Very pleased with Jones, was doubtful we'd get someone like him when first mentioned but once he was confirmed to be in the running was my pick.
Knows how he wants his players to play and how to get them playing it and win games and accolades.
But,
It won't happen over night, more than happy to give him time as a successful Jones can really bring this club back from the doldrums. Easy job 😅
Agree with the sentiment that the new manager needs time …..
Unfortunately it kind of does have to happen overnight. It still seems to have passed over some heads that we are on the verge of a catastrophic relegation that would be lethal for our long term health. Stay up, and absolutely he should get time (I would take mid table mediocrity next season as a sign of progress).
But to say it doesn’t have to happen overnight is not really accurate.
Very pleased with Jones, was doubtful we'd get someone like him when first mentioned but once he was confirmed to be in the running was my pick.
Knows how he wants his players to play and how to get them playing it and win games and accolades.
But,
It won't happen over night, more than happy to give him time as a successful Jones can really bring this club back from the doldrums. Easy job 😅
Agree with the sentiment that the new manager needs time …..
Unfortunately it kind of does have to happen overnight. It still seems to have passed over some heads that we are on the verge of a catastrophic relegation that would be lethal for our long term health. Stay up, and absolutely he should get time (I would take mid table mediocrity next season as a sign of progress).
But to say it doesn’t have to happen overnight is not really accurate.
Because it does.
********* This month is a shocker for fixtures, but March is awful as well with four away games. Fingers crossed that Jones can perform a miracle.
Welsh Manager ? How about Alan Llewellyn Curbishley. Curbs paternal Grandad was Welsh.
Llewellyn Curbishley worked in the office at the pit. When asked if he wanted to be a Crane driver or work on the coal face for extra money Llewellyn said:
"I don't want to get too high and I don't want to get too low"
Completely ignoring his Southampton time. They failed to win their last six games at the end of the 21/22 season under Hasenhuttl. Jones came in during the November after he was sacked after winning twice in nine games. They were easily the worst team in the league regardless of manager.
Jones actually went unbeaten in his first three league games there.They won two league games in sixteen after he left.
Only manager to stop city winning the quadruple last year too….(pointed out by my United friend)
For those that advocated Curtis for the managers role to end of the season and those arguing for Jones, The Evening Standard listened to your wishes and gave us Curtis Jones as interim manager
He smashed up and set fire to a ping- pong table because he thought it was proving to be be devisive among his Luton squad. That's the man for us, no more vanilla, v-neck jumper wearing apologists for their own shortcomings. We will be 'living in interesting times' for sure, but I can't wait...
Matthew Syed the renowned Journalist and ex elite Sportsman isn't a fan of Nathan Jones 🤔
I think I’ll ignore the opinion of anyone on GB News.
Very pleased with Jones, was doubtful we'd get someone like him when first mentioned but once he was confirmed to be in the running was my pick.
Knows how he wants his players to play and how to get them playing it and win games and accolades.
But,
It won't happen over night, more than happy to give him time as a successful Jones can really bring this club back from the doldrums. Easy job 😅
Agree with the sentiment that the new manager needs time …..
Unfortunately it kind of does have to happen overnight. It still seems to have passed over some heads that we are on the verge of a catastrophic relegation that would be lethal for our long term health. Stay up, and absolutely he should get time (I would take mid table mediocrity next season as a sign of progress).
But to say it doesn’t have to happen overnight is not really accurate.
Because it does.
Im assuming Jones has enough about him to get us away from the relegation spots by
1. Not being a career no.2 that talks nice 2. Not being Appleton
I'm fully aware of our position, I'm also fully aware how fucking useless and clueless the team management has been this season.
What I'm not expecting is for us to turn into some sort of footballing orchestra overnight.
I'm aiming this at being further down the line, when people were moaning why isnt Adkins playing like his saints team even after explaining why we were still lumping it stockly. Or why is garner ball not working in league one with league 2 players.
Completely ignoring his Southampton time. They failed to win their last six games at the end of the 21/22 season under Hasenhuttl. Jones came in during the November after he was sacked after winning twice in nine games. They were easily the worst team in the league regardless of manager.
Jones actually went unbeaten in his first three league games there.They won two league games in sixteen after he left.
Was going to say that when they got rid of him, the guy who came in after him (Ruben Selles) did even worse, an 11% win rate. So this pretty much shows it wasn't on the manager, their team was just abysmal.
Jones did get one notable scalp though. His win in the Carabao cup prevented Man City from going on to win a potential quadruple.
He smashed up and set fire to a ping- pong table because he thought it was proving to be be devisive among his Luton squad. That's the man for us, no more vanilla, v-neck jumper wearing apologists for their own shortcomings. We will be 'living in interesting times' for sure, but I can't wait...
Matthew Syed the renowned Journalist and ex elite Sportsman isn't a fan of Nathan Jones 🤔
I think I’ll ignore the opinion of anyone on GB News.
I guess that you prefer an echo chamber?
GB News literally has a show with a Tory presenter interviewing two Tory MPs.
Having read some of the thoughts of Luton fans and people that have worked with him before, it sounds like Jones' success at Luton came from building a culture across the entire club and getting everyone to buy into it. It seems like that buy in is essential, because he demands a lot from his players. Where he's been less successful at Stoke and Southampton, it would appear he hasn't been given time to develop the culture he wants, and has struggled to get the buy-in from a dressing room of Premier League or ex-Premier League players.
To me, someone who will establish a strong culture at the club and demand total commitment from the players is exactly what we need. It's also exactly what we've seen whenever this club has been successful. I'm also encouraged by the fact that he's seen what Charlton looks like when it's succeeding, because I'm not sure there are many people left around the place that can say that now.
My concerns are as follows:
1) Will he be given the time he needs to build the foundations and establish the culture he wants?
2) Does he have the energy and desire (and perhaps humility) to start all over again after bruising experiences at Stoke and Southampton? When he started the process at Luton, he was in his first job in management, with all of the enthusiasm and determination to succeed that brings.
3) Will Andy Scott be content to let Jones develop his own culture at the club and bring in his own people (staff and players)? I wonder if Scott might see that as treading on his toes, or even a threat to his own position (I don't necessarily agree with the view of many on here that everything is Scott's fault and he needs to go, but I see tension between the way Scott has described his own role and the way Jones seems to like to operate).
Lots of potential upside, lots of potential potential problems. Whichever way it goes, it's definitely the most exciting appointment we've had in a long time.
He smashed up and set fire to a ping- pong table because he thought it was proving to be be devisive among his Luton squad. That's the man for us, no more vanilla, v-neck jumper wearing apologists for their own shortcomings. We will be 'living in interesting times' for sure, but I can't wait...
Matthew Syed the renowned Journalist and ex elite Sportsman isn't a fan of Nathan Jones 🤔
I think I’ll ignore the opinion of anyone on GB News.
I guess that you prefer an echo chamber?
GB News literally has a show with a Tory presenter interviewing two Tory MPs.
Red Robin, I assume you know who Matthew Syed is and what sport he played ?
I don't normally explain my jokes and just let them land. Matthew Syed is as bright as a button and no right winger (no he's not a footballer)
Mr Jones seems like a good choice but Saturday's game at Reading is a tough start.They have the best record recently of any team near the bottom - 8 points from 15. A draw would probably be acceptable at least keeps us 3 points ahead of Reading. Our fixture list looks very tough - the Board knew that and delayed changing manager far too long. Let's hope NJ can rescue a dire position.
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I will support the club and hope they [and we] give him time.
COYR
We have to just hope he can replicate it at Charlton, I think some Luton fan put it quite well that I saw earlier ;
Yes he did well with Luton but other wise not been a great success. Proof of the pudding and all that remember. I will make my judgement a month of or two from now.
Jones actually went unbeaten in his first three league games there.They won two league games in sixteen after he left.
My thoughts on Nathan Jones in audio, I did a bit of a screen share going through some social media comments and found that quite fun.
Anyone struggling to sleep tonight, good background noise 😉
Knows how he wants his players to play and how to get them playing it and win games and accolades.
But,
It won't happen over night, more than happy to give him time as a successful Jones can really bring this club back from the doldrums. Easy job 😅
Unfortunately it kind of does have to happen overnight. It still seems to have passed over some heads that we are on the verge of a catastrophic relegation that would be lethal for our long term health. Stay up, and absolutely he should get time (I would take mid table mediocrity next season as a sign of progress).
But to say it doesn’t have to happen overnight is not really accurate.
Because it does.
The squad looks very disjointed at the moment. Let's see if Jones can turn them into a team.
Mark Aizlewood and Don WELSH 😀
How about Alan Llewellyn Curbishley.
Curbs paternal Grandad was Welsh.
Llewellyn Curbishley worked in the office at the pit. When asked if he wanted to be a Crane driver or work on the coal face for extra money Llewellyn said:
"I don't want to get too high and I don't want to get too low"
🤷🏻♂️
Im assuming Jones has enough about him to get us away from the relegation spots by
1. Not being a career no.2 that talks nice
2. Not being Appleton
I'm fully aware of our position, I'm also fully aware how fucking useless and clueless the team management has been this season.
What I'm not expecting is for us to turn into some sort of footballing orchestra overnight.
I'm aiming this at being further down the line, when people were moaning why isnt Adkins playing like his saints team even after explaining why we were still lumping it stockly. Or why is garner ball not working in league one with league 2 players.
Jones did get one notable scalp though. His win in the Carabao cup prevented Man City from going on to win a potential quadruple.
To me, someone who will establish a strong culture at the club and demand total commitment from the players is exactly what we need. It's also exactly what we've seen whenever this club has been successful. I'm also encouraged by the fact that he's seen what Charlton looks like when it's succeeding, because I'm not sure there are many people left around the place that can say that now.
My concerns are as follows:
1) Will he be given the time he needs to build the foundations and establish the culture he wants?
2) Does he have the energy and desire (and perhaps humility) to start all over again after bruising experiences at Stoke and Southampton? When he started the process at Luton, he was in his first job in management, with all of the enthusiasm and determination to succeed that brings.
3) Will Andy Scott be content to let Jones develop his own culture at the club and bring in his own people (staff and players)? I wonder if Scott might see that as treading on his toes, or even a threat to his own position (I don't necessarily agree with the view of many on here that everything is Scott's fault and he needs to go, but I see tension between the way Scott has described his own role and the way Jones seems to like to operate).
Lots of potential upside, lots of potential potential problems. Whichever way it goes, it's definitely the most exciting appointment we've had in a long time.
Red Robin, I assume you know who Matthew Syed is and what sport he played ?
I don't normally explain my jokes and just let them land. Matthew Syed is as bright as a button and no right winger (no he's not a footballer)