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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed
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Says it all,Charlie thought Appleton is a "class act", everyone I know was "ffs,not him "ButtleJR said:
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.3 -
Methven is the most involved, not involved person at a club in the country, just be honest.
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...So he didn't want him until he did want him. That's how wanting things works.DubaiCAFC said:
Not originally no. But after interviews and after 2nd interview yesPlaaayer said:
So he did want him then?!DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
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The conclusion can only be that Less is Moore.Davynix said:
How boring ,uninspired ,dull,absolutely useless must Moore be,if Appleton got the gig!!!!DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.4 -
Maybe so, but was Scott choice. Scott put the short list together same as this time around. Methven wanted Moore added, but didn’t get it.ButtleJR said:
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
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Take a bow sonswordfish said:
The conclusion can only be that Less is Moore.Davynix said:
How boring ,uninspired ,dull,absolutely useless must Moore be,if Appleton got the gig!!!!DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.1 -
No, point not proven.DubaiCAFC said:
Point proven..seth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.19 -
Success has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan.DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.3 -
So what actually has Methven done wrong?? Apart from leaks to people who feed information?Henry Irving said:
No, point not proven.DubaiCAFC said:
Point proven..seth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
Methven got the investors in to the club..4 -
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I opened this thread on page 62 and the first post I saw was a war and peace Grapevine classic, skipped right to the current page and the last few posts I see are Dubai stepping in support of his man Charlie - never change CL, never change6
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Ultimate control is with the owners who share value adds up to over 50%, if they decide to influence that control they have the power to replace the British board of directors and or the senior management team if different. There’s nothing unusual or exceptional that I can see in the Charlton set up.thenewbie said:
No-one seems to know, which is sort of the problem it seems. Of course having one person doing everything is not automatically the answer either (as shown by that one person potentially being Meire or Sandgaard).seth plum said:
Who is actually in charge?thenewbie said:
He's not in charge. But that is exactly WHY he is (allegedlyseth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
) behind all the leaks. He doesn't have the direct authority to call all the shots so he plants a few stories to get his way instead.
I dunno.
P.S. Sorry about the predictive ‘Elton’ correction, my tablet mis-read ‘Bash Street School’.
Unfortunately our current leadership seem to have had a plan for how to buy a club, and to make a nice profit when selling it later, but turned out to be a bit rubbish at the bit in-between those two points, e.g. actually running a club.I have been an owner and worked alongside a senior management team who were employed to reorganise our company, in my case it wasn’t a great success or experience. The biggest mistake we made was employing consultants to advise us of the structure (that part was ok) and composition of the senior management team, they suggested a time span of 2 years and also the people who in there opinion had the skill set to undertake the required reshaping (both myself and my partners where engineers and certainly couldn’t have undertaken this). After 2 years of the 5 senior management employed (all corporate types with no knowledge of working in a private company) only 1 survived, the other 4 where tossers of the first order and where quickly removed, one even was a blabbermouth and loved to play politics which caused a lot of aggro. My staff rightly blamed myself and my partner for the mess that eventually took 4 years from the start of the reorganisation until us owners and the staff were satisfied, they were probably correct.The moral of this story, is double the amount of time for the reorganisation, expect not to get the correct senior management team in place initially and expect it to change out of all recognition between the start of restructuring and the completion. Oh and expect head aches, aggravation and loads of additional, unexpected costs and to realise that specialist consultants are good at talking and that about it, oh other than they get paid by the word and not by results.2 -
Easy to say once it’s gone wrong that Appleton was someone else’s choice.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe so, but was Scott choice. Scott put the short list together same as this time around. Methven wanted Moore added, but didn’t get it.ButtleJR said:
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.0 -
An ongoing discussion about who told @DubaiCAFC what, and why, is hardly discussing who might be the new appointment. Dubai has shared what he has been told, some are happy that its been shared (the camp I'm in), others not so. Why on earth we have this fixation with Methven, the colour of his trousers, where he went to school etc etc is beyond me!
I'm interested in the here and now and which person will come in and stop this team sliding into League 2. The entire SMT have a collective responsibility to get this appointment right! If Scott, or Methven or anyone else, on the SMT, gets this decision wrong then 'collectively' they are all to blame, it's the same as if they get it right and we start heading upwards over the rest of this season and next, they can ALL take the credit. So is there any remote chance we can discuss potential new managers and less about who told who what and why? What the hell does it matter FFS?
I'm happy if people share what they've been told, heard etc. Its how Sky Sports News spends most of their broadcasting time! Believe me, life is too short to be discussing minutia of trousers etc!
For what its worth I'd be happy with Jones, Rowett or Duff (even Warnock as a 'Red Adaire' short term solution!)
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I've already said what I feel are the issues but you dismissed those, and all criticism, as being based on purely personal dislike of him.DubaiCAFC said:
So what actually has Methven done wrong??Henry Irving said:
No, point not proven.DubaiCAFC said:
Point proven..seth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.3 -
And this above is just one example of what Methven is doing wrong. No collective or individual responsibility for what is going wrong, no discretion, no confidentiality.DubaiCAFC said:Henry Irving said:
No, point not proven.DubaiCAFC said:
Point proven..seth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
His leaking that MA had been sacked on the Sunday after the Burton defeat was not only incredibly indiscreet, unprofessional and damaging to the club and team it wasn't even correct.10 -
You ask the question what has Methven done wrong.DubaiCAFC said:
So what actually has Methven done wrong?? Apart from leaks to people who feed information?Henry Irving said:
No, point not proven.DubaiCAFC said:
Point proven..seth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
Methven got the investors in to the club..
He has put together a consortium of people to run this club for the American owners.
As for whether he is doing a good or a bad job I shall judge him on how we as a club are performing.
As we are in real danger of being relegated I would say he and his mates are not doing very well.9 -
Funny thing is, the leak wasn’t from Methven it verified, by him.. come from some else..Henry Irving said:
And this above is just one example of what Methven is doing wrong. No collective or individual responsibility for what is going wrong, no discretion, no confidentiality.DubaiCAFC said:Henry Irving said:
No, point not proven.DubaiCAFC said:
Point proven..seth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.
From what I understand, he bought Rodwell & Lenagan to the party, Rodwell recommended Scott. Scott runs the footballing side where we are being let down
His leaking that MA had been sacked on the Sunday after the Burton defeat was not only incredibly indiscreet, unprofessional and damaging to the club and team it wasn't even correct.0 -
Who is actually in charge?seth plum said:
Who is actually in charge?thenewbie said:
He's not in charge. But that is exactly WHY he is (allegedlyseth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?) behind all the leaks. He doesn't have the direct authority to call all the shots so he plants a few stories to get his way instead.
I dunno.
P.S. Sorry about the predictive ‘Elton’ correction, my tablet mis-read ‘Bash Street School’.
https://youtu.be/LkWHQ3MRlH0?si=llF7pbkTt7N6M7J3 0 -
can't really compare to being evicted from the Valley .. or back in the really 'bad old days' standing on the huge terrace amongst a 'crowd of around 3,000, you could almost count 'emValley11 said:The most wearisome period in our history.
Oh to be thinking solely about the game on Saturday, and whether a win would put us second or top.5 -
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Prove it.Henry Irving said:
No, point not proven.DubaiCAFC said:
Point proven..seth plum said:I want to ask a question about Methven that doesn’t reference red trousers, Netflix programmes, Elton, Oxford United, and Theology degrees.
How come Methven as a minority shareholder is in charge, calls the shots, and leaks stuff to the mugs?
That's one poster, who most on here recognise and have called him out on as being irrational and obsessive about irrelevant parts of Methven's life.
He is not representative of most people on here criticising Methven, who are doing so for other, valid, reasons.
You are trying to dismiss all criticism of Methven as being just because of his background etc but that just isn't true and you are hiding behind that so you don't have to address the valid points being made about how he operates.6 -
As you responded to me earlier,you've never ever spoken to Methven have you?DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe so, but was Scott choice. Scott put the short list together same as this time around. Methven wanted Moore added, but didn’t get it.ButtleJR said:
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.2 -
Find the Dubai questioning a bit weird, like he has to defend his views of the people who are telling him info. The only reason this thread is worth visiting is for the tidbits of info being leaked.
I've been on this site for years and there has been various people who are clearly ITK to some extent at various times, leaks are always there.
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Big fan of your username.Lurker said:Find the Dubai questioning a bit weird, like he has to defend his views of the people who are telling him info. The only reason this thread is worth visiting is for the tidbits of info being leaked.
I've been on this site for years and there has been various people who are clearly ITK to some extent at various times, leaks are always there.
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Oh yes, I met him this one time at red trouser party.. it was jolly good fun. Right good laugh that lad!….carly burn said:
As you responded to me earlier,you've never ever spoken to Methven have you?DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe so, but was Scott choice. Scott put the short list together same as this time around. Methven wanted Moore added, but didn’t get it.ButtleJR said:
He was/is an Appleton fan and told me so. Described him to me as a "class act" and believed he'd be a success here based on his time at Lincoln/oxford. Didn't sound like someone that opposed his appointment. He may be saying that now but I'd strongly dispute that.DubaiCAFC said:
100% not. It was Scott. Methven was Moore. But after interviews they all agreed on AppletonButtleJR said:
Sorry mate but you're wrong here. He wanted Appleton I assure you. He may be saying otherwise now to save face but trust me he wanted him. They all did.DubaiCAFC said:
Holden yes. Appleton noThe Red Robin said:Methven wanted Holden and Appleton. He should be nowhere near any managerial appointment.
Believe what you want.9 -
Have only been in the company of CM once, at a bar in the city after work. Was a big group but I came along as I was with a guy who knows him through his connections in football and mainly Charlton. This was not too long after they had taken over the club. Came across as a bit of a clown if I’m honest, doesn’t surprise me one bit that he’s been leaking left right and centre. Seems just one big power trip for him.9
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No No. It's not Methven you understand. There appears to be more than one clown at board level leaking sensitive information to all and sundry.PWADDICK said:Have only been in the company of CM once, at a bar in the city after work. Was a big group but I came along as I was with a guy who knows him through his connections in football and mainly Charlton. This was not too long after they had taken over the club. Came across as a bit of a clown if I’m honest, doesn’t surprise me one bit that he’s been leaking left right and centre. Seems just one big power trip for him.
Quite concerning really.1 -
Did you tape Location Location Location that day?PWADDICK said:Have only been in the company of CM once, at a bar in the city after work. Was a big group but I came along as I was with a guy who knows him through his connections in football and mainly Charlton. This was not too long after they had taken over the club. Came across as a bit of a clown if I’m honest, doesn’t surprise me one bit that he’s been leaking left right and centre. Seems just one big power trip for him.0 -
Same here. I like hearing the rumours but take most if not all with a pinch of salt. Everything seems to have got personal, and between genuine fans of the club. Not really great to read (cue being told not to then!).Lurker said:Find the Dubai questioning a bit weird, like he has to defend his views of the people who are telling him info. The only reason this thread is worth visiting is for the tidbits of info being leaked.
I've been on this site for years and there has been various people who are clearly ITK to some extent at various times, leaks are always there.
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