The level of entitlement is absolutely off the charts here.
What I find amazing is the amount of abuse players get at the ground or on line but suddenly, it all clock and dagger what injuries they have. As I said if it's not a mental health problem I just don't see what's the issue.
In the women's game unfortunately *ACL's happen nearly every week in the professional game and they share the prognosis so they don't suffer alone.
* I'm not saying that any player at CAFC men's side has this injury 🤷🏻♂️
Would you be happy with all your medical issues being in the public domain? If my boss asked that of me id tell him to fuck right off, when I’m off work, I’m off work, the reason why is no one’s business.
Yes, if I was lucky enough to be a professional sportsman and fans were paying to watch me play football I would expect the fans to be told.
Since when could an employee take sick leave and not give a reason in "Normal jobs "
You wouldn't tell your boss to fuck off Stu of Kunming because he/they pays your wages and is entitled to know why you're not at work.
Maybe you're self employed and you don't have to in your teaching job.
I would tell my boss, of course, but I’d be damn angry if he then when and told all and sundry why I was away from work, my students and parents have no right to know my medical issues, players should have the exact same privacy if they want it.
I hope you have back tracked on telling your boss to fuck off as that is never a good career move ! Obviously the employer needs to know about your absence from paid employment and the reason.
To conflate paid performers/Footballers with the general public and their work is different on many levels. At top Premier clubs, Millions globally want to know why their favourite player isn't available. The scapegoat dodgy left back; the majority aren't bothered about ! We may only be a 3rd tier club but there is genuine interest and concern for Kayne in this instance.
I probably care more about player's welfare than most: Hearing a Charlton fan at Palace away game boo Andy Hunt's when his name was on the team sheet before the match I got into a heated argument with the six foot plus guy. This was just weeks before it was announced that Andy had ME/chronic fatigue syndrome.
When to announce Hunt's condition was the sensitive decision and Andy felt relieved when the fans/critics knew the reason despite the sad outcome.
The level of entitlement is absolutely off the charts here.
What I find amazing is the amount of abuse players get at the ground or on line but suddenly, it all clock and dagger what injuries they have. As I said if it's not a mental health problem I just don't see what's the issue.
In the women's game unfortunately *ACL's happen nearly every week in the professional game and they share the prognosis so they don't suffer alone.
* I'm not saying that any player at CAFC has this injury 🤷🏻♂️
Why is a mental health issue OK to keep secret but not a physical one? Who made that judgement?
You don't know the reason ? Personally i found talking released me from my depression but if you are a performer/ sports person you may want to deal with mental health in a different way to a physical injury.
So when Cullen and Igor both dislocated their shoulders in the same match you didn't want to know what was the problem with their shoulders ? Makes no sense and sounds paranoid.
We disagree and nothing I say will make you change your mind about the lack of transparency that you prefer.
And nothing I say will change your mind about an invasion of privacy that you demand
This cannot be a serious post? Invasion of privacy!!
People are interested to know how long he's out injured for, which is quite a natural thing in football as anyone who will recall the media attention on Beckham's metatarsal before the 2002 world cup. You're acting like they want to see his bank account info and internet search history.
Strange thread. I can't see how Lloyd Jones is wanting to keep his injury private when he's already told a fan. The evidence is conclusive that he doesn't want to keep it quiet.
It is either a deliberate attempt by the club to hush up the injuries or is simply poor communication from the club.
The most likely reason is Nathan Jones trying to obsfucate, because we actually see him doing it when interviewed, so I don't see any doubt, it's just further strange behaviour by our manager.
I can see good reason to not giving the heads up to the opposition the week before a game. It annoyed me when Karl Robinson used to inform the opposition of our starting line up well in advance.
But I don't really see the necessity to keep quiet about a player being out for weeks or even months.
Where this does become delicate is when a player has other reasons for being out e.g. that person might be suffering from depression or suffered a family bereavement. In those circumstances, the very last thing they might want is public intrusion. By definition, if the extent of each and every injury is declared then fans will suspect that there is something else that is preventing them from playing. Remember the Maddison saga when Bowyer said:
“Marcus has had a few days off because he said he was ill,” explained the Charlton manager.
“Then,someone he knew had Covid. And obviously he had that ankle injury, didn’t he. So, Marcus Maddison is not training.
“I’ve not seen him for a few days. I think I saw him yesterday from a distance with the fitness people, ticking boxes.
“Ticking the box to see if he could start training again. But he’s not been in and around us for a few days now.”
Those statements might be interpreted in any number of ways especially as Bowyer isn't demonstrating the sort of "finger on the pulse" for Maddison's actual situation that one would expect a manager to have. Sometimes, whatever one thinks of Maddison (and I'm not a fan), a manager saying something actually muddies the water. What if Maddison was, actually, having a breakdown? Would we expect the manager to announce that or invent an injury? If he did invent one and it all came out then we would probably find some fans accusing him of lying. The manager can't win in those circumstances.
Equally, how many times have have people, over the years, asked when Aneke was going to back and the reply was something very vague. Probably because the Club actually struggled to get to the bottom of what the issues are.
Disclosing injuries publicly could be detrimental in the transfer market e.g. if selling clubs know a RB is out for ages then they'll know we're desperate for cover and whack on a premium.
Likewise could be disadvantageous in respect of helping oppos plan their games v us to a degree.
Could be a reason why NJ is cagey in disclosing publicly?
This has made me laugh.
Other clubs know more than we do & share things. Do you think that when a player gets transferred that the buying club had no Intel on their previous injuries. Do me a favour. Its like when we were under a transfer embargo & everyone knew apart from us fans.
The level of entitlement is absolutely off the charts here.
What I find amazing is the amount of abuse players get at the ground or on line but suddenly, it all clock and dagger what injuries they have. As I said if it's not a mental health problem I just don't see what's the issue.
In the women's game unfortunately *ACL's happen nearly every week in the professional game and they share the prognosis so they don't suffer alone.
* I'm not saying that any player at CAFC has this injury 🤷🏻♂️
Why is a mental health issue OK to keep secret but not a physical one? Who made that judgement?
You don't know the reason ? Personally i found talking released me from my depression but if you are a performer/ sports person you may want to deal with mental health in a different way to a physical injury.
So when Cullen and Igor both dislocated their shoulders in the same match you didn't want to know what was the problem with their shoulders ? Makes no sense and sounds paranoid.
We disagree and nothing I say will make you change your mind about the lack of transparency that you prefer.
And nothing I say will change your mind about an invasion of privacy that you demand
Has the world gone mad, really!!! Invasion of privacy!!!! Maybe we should have left him on the pitch so that nobody realised he was injured?
maybe having squad numbers and names on their shirt is also invasion of privacy? Because you wouldn’t go into the local Regus office building and see a solicitor with a name on the shirt and a squad number!!!!!
they are footballers, it’s an entertainment industry and us paying fans are the client. There is a difference between football and the real world.
if you were instructed to undertake a piece of work for a client and there was an issue, you would inform the client. The level of information provided can be short and not cover personal information.
We all know Ramsay is injured. There is no harm in the club providing an update even if it’s a short statement along the lines of “Ramsay has or has not (delete as applicable) had an operation on his knee and is currently starting his rehabilitation and will hopefully be back with the first team squad on xxxxxxx
This is where it goes wrong, we are not the client, they aren’t completing a body of work for us.
We’re more like a collection of spreadbetters, who choose to speculate their time, money and emotion (for whatever reason) in this particular company. Hoping on a return that we perceive as ‘good value’ for the time and money expended, by being entertained and satisfied emotionally. We don’t own any of the underlying asset or are contracted to financially benefit from any of the assets actions.
Getting back to the point of Kayne, I agree with @LargeAddick he’s out injured and isn’t available, when he is, we’ll know!
The level of entitlement is absolutely off the charts here.
What I find amazing is the amount of abuse players get at the ground or on line but suddenly, it all clock and dagger what injuries they have. As I said if it's not a mental health problem I just don't see what's the issue.
In the women's game unfortunately *ACL's happen nearly every week in the professional game and they share the prognosis so they don't suffer alone.
* I'm not saying that any player at CAFC men's side has this injury 🤷🏻♂️
Would you be happy with all your medical issues being in the public domain? If my boss asked that of me id tell him to fuck right off, when I’m off work, I’m off work, the reason why is no one’s business.
It's like Pavarotti cancelling concert's months in advance, but witholding from his fans the fact that he's got a sore throat and can't sing.
It’s worse than a sore throat, he’s dead mate.
Let’s let him off the next couple of months and see if he recovers yeah
The level of entitlement is absolutely off the charts here.
What I find amazing is the amount of abuse players get at the ground or on line but suddenly, it all clock and dagger what injuries they have. As I said if it's not a mental health problem I just don't see what's the issue.
In the women's game unfortunately *ACL's happen nearly every week in the professional game and they share the prognosis so they don't suffer alone.
* I'm not saying that any player at CAFC has this injury 🤷🏻♂️
Why is a mental health issue OK to keep secret but not a physical one? Who made that judgement?
You don't know the reason ? Personally i found talking released me from my depression but if you are a performer/ sports person you may want to deal with mental health in a different way to a physical injury.
So when Cullen and Igor both dislocated their shoulders in the same match you didn't want to know what was the problem with their shoulders ? Makes no sense and sounds paranoid.
We disagree and nothing I say will make you change your mind about the lack of transparency that you prefer.
And nothing I say will change your mind about an invasion of privacy that you demand
Has the world gone mad, really!!! Invasion of privacy!!!! Maybe we should have left him on the pitch so that nobody realised he was injured?
maybe having squad numbers and names on their shirt is also invasion of privacy? Because you wouldn’t go into the local Regus office building and see a solicitor with a name on the shirt and a squad number!!!!!
they are footballers, it’s an entertainment industry and us paying fans are the client. There is a difference between football and the real world.
if you were instructed to undertake a piece of work for a client and there was an issue, you would inform the client. The level of information provided can be short and not cover personal information.
We all know Ramsay is injured. There is no harm in the club providing an update even if it’s a short statement along the lines of “Ramsay has or has not (delete as applicable) had an operation on his knee and is currently starting his rehabilitation and will hopefully be back with the first team squad on xxxxxxx
This is where it goes wrong, we are not the client, they aren’t completing a body of work for us.
We’re more like a collection of spreadbetters, who choose to speculate their time, money and emotion (for whatever reason) in this particular company. Hoping on a return that we perceive as ‘good value’ for the time and money expended, by being entertained and satisfied emotionally. We don’t own any of the underlying asset or are contracted to financially benefit from any of the assets actions.
Getting back to the point of Kayne, I agree with @LargeAddick he’s out injured and isn’t available, when he is, we’ll know!
Can’t resist popping back for this one.
Tomorrow we are playing Exeter City, a club whose fans really do own the “underlying assets”.
The level of entitlement is absolutely off the charts here.
What I find amazing is the amount of abuse players get at the ground or on line but suddenly, it all clock and dagger what injuries they have. As I said if it's not a mental health problem I just don't see what's the issue.
In the women's game unfortunately *ACL's happen nearly every week in the professional game and they share the prognosis so they don't suffer alone.
* I'm not saying that any player at CAFC has this injury 🤷🏻♂️
Why is a mental health issue OK to keep secret but not a physical one? Who made that judgement?
You don't know the reason ? Personally i found talking released me from my depression but if you are a performer/ sports person you may want to deal with mental health in a different way to a physical injury.
So when Cullen and Igor both dislocated their shoulders in the same match you didn't want to know what was the problem with their shoulders ? Makes no sense and sounds paranoid.
We disagree and nothing I say will make you change your mind about the lack of transparency that you prefer.
And nothing I say will change your mind about an invasion of privacy that you demand
Has the world gone mad, really!!! Invasion of privacy!!!! Maybe we should have left him on the pitch so that nobody realised he was injured?
maybe having squad numbers and names on their shirt is also invasion of privacy? Because you wouldn’t go into the local Regus office building and see a solicitor with a name on the shirt and a squad number!!!!!
they are footballers, it’s an entertainment industry and us paying fans are the client. There is a difference between football and the real world.
if you were instructed to undertake a piece of work for a client and there was an issue, you would inform the client. The level of information provided can be short and not cover personal information.
We all know Ramsay is injured. There is no harm in the club providing an update even if it’s a short statement along the lines of “Ramsay has or has not (delete as applicable) had an operation on his knee and is currently starting his rehabilitation and will hopefully be back with the first team squad on xxxxxxx
We're not clients though. You can't say there's a difference between football and real world, then use clients as an example.
We rightfully fought against Meire calling us customers, and we're not clients either.
The level of entitlement is absolutely off the charts here.
What I find amazing is the amount of abuse players get at the ground or on line but suddenly, it all clock and dagger what injuries they have. As I said if it's not a mental health problem I just don't see what's the issue.
In the women's game unfortunately *ACL's happen nearly every week in the professional game and they share the prognosis so they don't suffer alone.
* I'm not saying that any player at CAFC men's side has this injury 🤷🏻♂️
Would you be happy with all your medical issues being in the public domain? If my boss asked that of me id tell him to fuck right off, when I’m off work, I’m off work, the reason why is no one’s business.
Yes, if I was lucky enough to be a professional sportsman and fans were paying to watch me play football I would expect the fans to be told.
Since when could an employee take sick leave and not give a reason in "Normal jobs "
You wouldn't tell your boss to fuck off Stu of Kunming because he/they pays your wages and is entitled to know why you're not at work.
Maybe you're self employed and you don't have to in your teaching job.
I would tell my boss, of course, but I’d be damn angry if he then when and told all and sundry why I was away from work, my students and parents have no right to know my medical issues, players should have the exact same privacy if they want it.
I hope you have back tracked on telling your boss to fuck off as that is never a good career move ! Obviously the employer needs to know about your absence from paid employment and the reason.
To conflate paid performers/Footballers with the general public and their work is different on many levels. At top Premier clubs, Millions globally want to know why their favourite player isn't available. The scapegoat dodgy left back; the majority aren't bothered about ! We may only be a 3rd tier club but there is genuine interest and concern for Kayne in this instance.
I probably care more about player's welfare than most: Hearing a Charlton fan at Palace away game boo Andy Hunt's when his name was on the team sheet before the match I got into a heated argument with the six foot plus guy. This was just weeks before it was announced that Andy had ME/chronic fatigue syndrome.
When to announce Hunt's condition was the sensitive decision and Andy felt relieved when the fans/critics knew the reason despite the sad outcome.
I said I’d tell him to fuck off if he put my medical issues in the public domain, which I absolutely would.
But it seems your reading comprehension is about as messed up as your ego. Care more than most? Yeah. Sure, based on what exactly?
Maybe if we didn’t all expect so much from footballers and demand insight into every aspect of their lives they wouldn’t end up receiving such awful vile abuse from freaks online that think it’s ok ‘cos they’re footballers’
Disclosing injuries publicly could be detrimental in the transfer market e.g. if selling clubs know a RB is out for ages then they'll know we're desperate for cover and whack on a premium.
Likewise could be disadvantageous in respect of helping oppos plan their games v us to a degree.
Could be a reason why NJ is cagey in disclosing publicly?
This has made me laugh.
Other clubs know more than we do & share things. Do you think that when a player gets transferred that the buying club had no Intel on their previous injuries. Do me a favour. Its like when we were under a transfer embargo & everyone knew apart from us fans.
We are being treated like idiots.
And for a fair few, there's a good reason for that!
It's only natural that fans are anxious to know what's up with the best players and how long they are out for. I understand that we have no entitlement to know, but I don't recall the club/manager being precious about it before. I can accept the new reality, but this sense of mind your own business doesn't exactly scream we are all in this together
Every time there’s no midweek game one footballing topic gets blown out of proportion for a bit, this week it’s been about how public the club should be about injuries. This place goes mad without actual football
Without taking sides in this debate, surely the decision should be made by the player, as it would be his medical records that are being shared in the public domain?
Great if they want it put out there, understandable if not...
I've noticed that the comment above about Jones being back in 3 weeks, is seeming less and less likely. He's not even back in training yet, as far as I can ascertain...
The level of entitlement is absolutely off the charts here.
What I find amazing is the amount of abuse players get at the ground or on line but suddenly, it all clock and dagger what injuries they have. As I said if it's not a mental health problem I just don't see what's the issue.
In the women's game unfortunately *ACL's happen nearly every week in the professional game and they share the prognosis so they don't suffer alone.
* I'm not saying that any player at CAFC men's side has this injury 🤷🏻♂️
Would you be happy with all your medical issues being in the public domain? If my boss asked that of me id tell him to fuck right off, when I’m off work, I’m off work, the reason why is no one’s business.
Yes, if I was lucky enough to be a professional sportsman and fans were paying to watch me play football I would expect the fans to be told.
Since when could an employee take sick leave and not give a reason in "Normal jobs "
You wouldn't tell your boss to fuck off Stu of Kunming because he/they pays your wages and is entitled to know why you're not at work.
Maybe you're self employed and you don't have to in your teaching job.
I would tell my boss, of course, but I’d be damn angry if he then when and told all and sundry why I was away from work, my students and parents have no right to know my medical issues, players should have the exact same privacy if they want it.
I hope you have back tracked on telling your boss to fuck off as that is never a good career move ! Obviously the employer needs to know about your absence from paid employment and the reason.
To conflate paid performers/Footballers with the general public and their work is different on many levels. At top Premier clubs, Millions globally want to know why their favourite player isn't available. The scapegoat dodgy left back; the majority aren't bothered about ! We may only be a 3rd tier club but there is genuine interest and concern for Kayne in this instance.
I probably care more about player's welfare than most: Hearing a Charlton fan at Palace away game boo Andy Hunt's when his name was on the team sheet before the match I got into a heated argument with the six foot plus guy. This was just weeks before it was announced that Andy had ME/chronic fatigue syndrome.
When to announce Hunt's condition was the sensitive decision and Andy felt relieved when the fans/critics knew the reason despite the sad outcome.
I said I’d tell him to fuck off if he put my medical issues in the public domain, which I absolutely would.
But it seems your reading comprehension is about as messed up as your ego. Care more than most? Yeah. Sure, based on what exactly?
Maybe if we didn’t all expect so much from footballers and demand insight into every aspect of their lives they wouldn’t end up receiving such awful vile abuse from freaks online that think it’s ok ‘cos they’re footballers’
Getting personal now. Messed up as my ego ! Having had low mental health a few years ago I'm pleased I've managed to rebuilt my ego and confidence with the help of CBT (not Corey !) even though I realise depression can be for life and not just for Xmas. As the alcoholics know on CL you have to take one day at a time.
I stand up to people in the real world and don't say anything on-line that I wouldn't say to someone's face. I hate abuse* of players that's why I gave the example of Andy Hunt before his condition was in the public domain. I give encouragement to some young players at the football academy my son works for. Many are over confident and need no encouragement from me. Yes, I care more than most who see footballers as commodities.
Because I have empathy, I personally feel its best for the club to share the news of players injuries with the fan/critic base. Just my humble opinion because as its been proved on CL, fans speculate anyway so when known, share.
* This is a lie. When Alex Gilbey got sent off for two shirt pulls in the 1st half of a match at the valley near the oppositions box I did shout out you absolute doughnut (other cakes are available)
When you decide to try to become a top professional footballer, you do so because you want to play in front of thousands of supporters, you want to be on TV, to be recognised in the night clubs, and you want to earn lots of money, buy flash cars, take great holidays and live in a nice house.
One of the disadvantages of all that, and something that they sign up for and have to accept (IE, the trade off), is that they lose a certain amount of privacy.
Keeping the people, who pay their wages, who fund their superior lifestyles, in the dark about something like a knee injury, is extremely disrespectful to those people.
Without us, their superior lifestyles wouldn't even exist.
When you decide to try to become a top professional footballer, you do so because you want to play in front of thousands of supporters, you want to be on TV, to be recognised in the night clubs, and you want to earn lots of money, buy flash cars, take great holidays and live in a nice house.
One of the disadvantages of all that, and something that they sign up for and have to accept (IE, the trade off), is that they lose a certain amount of privacy.
Keeping the people, who pay their wages, who fund their superior lifestyles, in the dark about something like a knee injury, is extremely disrespectful to those people.
Without us, their superior lifestyles wouldn't even exist.
When you decide to try to become a top professional footballer, you do so because you want to play in front of thousands of supporters, you want to be on TV, to be recognised in the night clubs, and you want to earn lots of money, buy flash cars, take great holidays and live in a nice house.
One of the disadvantages of all that, and something that they sign up for and have to accept (IE, the trade off), is that they lose a certain amount of privacy.
Keeping the people, who pay their wages, who fund their superior lifestyles, in the dark about something like a knee injury, is extremely disrespectful to those people.
Without us, their superior lifestyles wouldn't even exist.
So why sign for Charlton?
Amusing ironic comment!
To hope Charlton Athletic can be the springboard for bigger and better things elsewhere the same as Konsa, Aribo, Lookman etc and their agents wanted when they signed for CAFC.
Only Richard Murray Part one of his tenure tried to stop CAFC being a selling club but Scott Parker throwing his toys out of his pram put an end to that ambition.
Every time there’s no midweek game one footballing topic gets blown out of proportion for a bit, this week it’s been about how public the club should be about injuries. This place goes mad without actual football
Have you seen how mad it goes when there is Football...?
I follow US sports particularly the NFL. Injury reports are routinely given to the media without any apparent push back from players or teams. Hiding behind privacy concerns and bringing up mental health issues feels completely over the top to me.
I follow US sports particularly the NFL. Injury reports are routinely given to the media without any apparent push back from players or teams. Hiding behind privacy concerns and bringing up mental health issues feels completely over the top to me.
Players are seen as much more of a commodity in the US so not sure it’s a great equivalence really. Football teams in Spain are very very open about injuries though
Trying to move the discussion on from personal abuse that Stu in China decided to indulge in, is it possible that Insurance has anything to do with statements or the lack of statements that are put out by clubs ?
Liverpool told the media that Joe Gomez and Danny Ings had ACL as soon as the scans confirmed the damage to their knees. From memory it may have been the same week ?
I really don't know the percentage of vast wages that Joe and Danny were on that are covered by insurance over the following 12 months ?
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I hope you have back tracked on telling your boss to fuck off as that is never a good career move !
Obviously the employer needs to know about your absence from paid employment and the reason.
To conflate paid performers/Footballers with the general public and their work is different on many levels. At top Premier clubs, Millions globally want to know why their favourite player isn't available. The scapegoat dodgy left back; the majority aren't bothered about ! We may only be a 3rd tier club but there is genuine interest and concern for Kayne in this instance.
I probably care more about player's welfare than most:
Hearing a Charlton fan at Palace away game boo Andy Hunt's when his name was on the team sheet before the match I got into a heated argument with the six foot plus guy. This was just weeks before it was announced that Andy had ME/chronic fatigue syndrome.
When to announce Hunt's condition was the sensitive decision and Andy felt relieved when the fans/critics knew the reason despite the sad outcome.
People are interested to know how long he's out injured for, which is quite a natural thing in football as anyone who will recall the media attention on Beckham's metatarsal before the 2002 world cup. You're acting like they want to see his bank account info and internet search history.
I can't see how Lloyd Jones is wanting to keep his injury private when he's already told a fan.
The evidence is conclusive that he doesn't want to keep it quiet.
It is either a deliberate attempt by the club to hush up the injuries or is simply poor communication from the club.
The most likely reason is Nathan Jones trying to obsfucate, because we actually see him doing it when interviewed, so I don't see any doubt, it's just further strange behaviour by our manager.
I can see good reason to not giving the heads up to the opposition the week before a game.
It annoyed me when Karl Robinson used to inform the opposition of our starting line up well in advance.
But I don't really see the necessity to keep quiet about a player being out for weeks or even months.
It's just weird.
“Marcus has had a few days off because he said he was ill,” explained the Charlton manager.
“Then, someone he knew had Covid. And obviously he had that ankle injury, didn’t he. So, Marcus Maddison is not training.
“I’ve not seen him for a few days. I think I saw him yesterday from a distance with the fitness people, ticking boxes.
“Ticking the box to see if he could start training again. But he’s not been in and around us for a few days now.”
Those statements might be interpreted in any number of ways especially as Bowyer isn't demonstrating the sort of "finger on the pulse" for Maddison's actual situation that one would expect a manager to have. Sometimes, whatever one thinks of Maddison (and I'm not a fan), a manager saying something actually muddies the water. What if Maddison was, actually, having a breakdown? Would we expect the manager to announce that or invent an injury? If he did invent one and it all came out then we would probably find some fans accusing him of lying. The manager can't win in those circumstances.
Equally, how many times have have people, over the years, asked when Aneke was going to back and the reply was something very vague. Probably because the Club actually struggled to get to the bottom of what the issues are.
If the player requests to keep the issue private then the club should.
If they don't have a problem with their injury being known, it's good to keep fans engaged.
Other clubs know more than we do & share things. Do you think that when a player gets transferred that the buying club had no Intel on their previous injuries. Do me a favour. Its like when we were under a transfer embargo & everyone knew apart from us fans.
We are being treated like idiots.
Maybe if we didn’t all expect so much from footballers and demand insight into every aspect of their lives they wouldn’t end up receiving such awful vile abuse from freaks online that think it’s ok ‘cos they’re footballers’
He made that perfectly clear within the first couple of weeks of being at the club
I understand that we have no entitlement to know, but I don't recall the club/manager being precious about it before.
I can accept the new reality, but this sense of mind your own business doesn't exactly scream we are all in this together
Great if they want it put out there, understandable if not...
I've noticed that the comment above about Jones being back in 3 weeks, is seeming less and less likely. He's not even back in training yet, as far as I can ascertain...
Getting personal now.
Messed up as my ego ! Having had low mental health a few years ago I'm pleased I've managed to rebuilt my ego and confidence with the help of CBT (not Corey !) even though I realise depression can be for life and not just for Xmas. As the alcoholics know on CL you have to take one day at a time.
I stand up to people in the real world and
don't say anything on-line that I wouldn't say to someone's face.
I hate abuse* of players that's why I gave the example of Andy Hunt before his condition was in the public domain.
I give encouragement to some young players at the football academy my son works for. Many are over confident and need no encouragement from me.
Yes, I care more than most who see footballers as commodities.
Because I have empathy, I personally feel its best for the club to share the news of players injuries with the fan/critic base. Just my humble opinion because as its been proved on CL, fans speculate anyway so when known, share.
* This is a lie. When Alex Gilbey got sent off for two shirt pulls in the 1st half of a match at the valley near the oppositions box I did shout out you absolute doughnut (other cakes are available)
One of the disadvantages of all that, and something that they sign up for and have to accept (IE, the trade off), is that they lose a certain amount of privacy.
Keeping the people, who pay their wages, who fund their superior lifestyles, in the dark about something like a knee injury, is extremely disrespectful to those people.
Without us, their superior lifestyles wouldn't even exist.
Does anyone have info on the time frame of Ramsay’s injury?
Amusing ironic comment!
To hope Charlton Athletic can be the springboard for bigger and better things elsewhere the same as Konsa, Aribo, Lookman etc and their agents wanted when they signed for CAFC.
Only Richard Murray Part one of his tenure tried to stop CAFC being a selling club but Scott Parker throwing his toys out of his pram put an end to that ambition.
Liverpool told the media that Joe Gomez and Danny Ings had ACL as soon as the scans confirmed the damage to their knees. From memory it may have been the same week ?
I really don't know the percentage of vast wages that Joe and Danny were on that are covered by insurance over the following 12 months ?
Do we have any health insurance experts on CL.