As for admiration for Musk. Didn’t he set up pay pal (something I don’t know or care about) which seems to be a licence to print money so well done him? But he is also the owner of twitter often described as a cesspit.
I wish Gavin Carter had said positive words about Sadiq Khan, or Medecines sans Frontiers, or William Shakespeare instead of Musk.
Why pick on 5 yrs away? He said it could take 3-5 yrs, but they hope it'll be sooner. He's being realistic and not setting silly plans of being in Europe in 5 yrs! Bloody hell mate, we have a proper Chatlton fan as one of the owners, for the first time in years, stop being so negative about everything, it must be exhausting! Whether you like it or not, and from many of your posts I guess it's the latter, let's give these guys a chance, some of this fanbase is so quick to condemn and pick out the negatives. I know you want to know who owns what % and why etc etc, but in the scheme of things it's not important, what's important is owners getting this club back on an even footing and progressing, not making unrealistic soundbites, and I don't think Carter is doing that.
I might be reading this wrong, but haven’t we already given these guys a chance and we’re on our third manager under them and living with the threat of relegation? If 3-5 years is meaningless then don’t say it at all. It puts me in mind of a certain politician saying the benefits of a 48/52 vote won’t be seen for fifty years.
You've given them 7 months! Yes they've screwed up in terms of managers, but if Jones is coming in that's a huge step forward! For all we know having Holden and Applegate may have been the SMT telling Carter and Co that's the way to go, now, it appears, the owners have made the decision, this time, and lumped money on Jones, which is by far and away the best managerial appointment in years! They may even give some of the SMT their marching orders in due course, we just don't know! They are trying to turn a failing business around, one that has been failing for years, it takes bloody time and 7 months is sod all in the scheme of things. Let's see what Jones, if it is him, can do over the next 18 months, you might be pleasantly surprised! One final point, Carter has given a time line of a plan, would you have preferred him to say "I don't know how long as we haven't got a clue/plan"?
To be fair, even if you take the view that they had no involvement before July, we’ve gone backwards in that seven months and it’s not just the managerial appointment that they’ve screwed up. The evidence suggests that the August transfer window and commentary around it was also poor, despite the excitement around it at the time. There has also been an amount of rubbish spoken about the business and the playing side on the record by Methven. Comms have been poor generally.
I think Gavin Carter’s narrative is promising and Nathan Jones is as good an appointment as we could get, but let’s not pretend the last seven months haven’t been a mess. We just don’t know how realistic the owners’ understanding of the business is, but the executive needs to do better - much better.
I was talking about what Gavin Carter said in his interview with CAST. and I get the feeling he does understand the business. I also said in my original post that the owners now seem to have taken the decision to hire Jones, as the SMT had given them Holden and Appleton, both of whom failed, and that perhaps we will see some of the SMT given their marching orders, so that could include Methven and maybe even Scott. My point is, its time we gave the owners the opportunity to show what they can do, now that it seems, they are in, some areas, overruling the SMT. The constant negativity about them is not helpful. Yes |I agree the SMT and comms have been poor, and the owners seem to have learnt, I guess, an expensive lesson, (pay offs for Holden/Appleton), but years and years of poor management, and owners, is not going to be reversed in 7 months. I agree with @CharltonKerry, having myself in the past, as a outside consultant, been employed by Owners to go in and sort out a 'misfunctioning' SMT and it had to change. It took time but change occurred and I had done my job but it wasn't quick and it cost. My guess is the owners no longer want to spend money on poor decisions made by some or all of the SMT. Perhaps we might see change as well? Who knows, but we'll see in pretty quick order I suggest,
As for admiration for Musk. Didn’t he set up pay pal (something I don’t know or care about) which seems to be a licence to print money so well done him? But he is also the owner of twitter often described as a cesspit.
I wish Gavin Carter had said positive words about Sadiq Khan, or Medecines sans Frontiers, or William Shakespeare instead of Musk.
Why pick on 5 yrs away? He said it could take 3-5 yrs, but they hope it'll be sooner. He's being realistic and not setting silly plans of being in Europe in 5 yrs! Bloody hell mate, we have a proper Chatlton fan as one of the owners, for the first time in years, stop being so negative about everything, it must be exhausting! Whether you like it or not, and from many of your posts I guess it's the latter, let's give these guys a chance, some of this fanbase is so quick to condemn and pick out the negatives. I know you want to know who owns what % and why etc etc, but in the scheme of things it's not important, what's important is owners getting this club back on an even footing and progressing, not making unrealistic soundbites, and I don't think Carter is doing that.
I might be reading this wrong, but haven’t we already given these guys a chance and we’re on our third manager under them and living with the threat of relegation? If 3-5 years is meaningless then don’t say it at all. It puts me in mind of a certain politician saying the benefits of a 48/52 vote won’t be seen for fifty years.
You've given them 7 months! Yes they've screwed up in terms of managers, but if Jones is coming in that's a huge step forward! For all we know having Holden and Applegate may have been the SMT telling Carter and Co that's the way to go, now, it appears, the owners have made the decision, this time, and lumped money on Jones, which is by far and away the best managerial appointment in years! They may even give some of the SMT their marching orders in due course, we just don't know! They are trying to turn a failing business around, one that has been failing for years, it takes bloody time and 7 months is sod all in the scheme of things. Let's see what Jones, if it is him, can do over the next 18 months, you might be pleasantly surprised! One final point, Carter has given a time line of a plan, would you have preferred him to say "I don't know how long as we haven't got a clue/plan"?
I would’ve preferred him to say judge us on results.
As for admiration for Musk. Didn’t he set up pay pal (something I don’t know or care about) which seems to be a licence to print money so well done him? But he is also the owner of twitter often described as a cesspit.
I wish Gavin Carter had said positive words about Sadiq Khan, or Medecines sans Frontiers, or William Shakespeare instead of Musk.
Why pick on 5 yrs away? He said it could take 3-5 yrs, but they hope it'll be sooner. He's being realistic and not setting silly plans of being in Europe in 5 yrs! Bloody hell mate, we have a proper Chatlton fan as one of the owners, for the first time in years, stop being so negative about everything, it must be exhausting! Whether you like it or not, and from many of your posts I guess it's the latter, let's give these guys a chance, some of this fanbase is so quick to condemn and pick out the negatives. I know you want to know who owns what % and why etc etc, but in the scheme of things it's not important, what's important is owners getting this club back on an even footing and progressing, not making unrealistic soundbites, and I don't think Carter is doing that.
I might be reading this wrong, but haven’t we already given these guys a chance and we’re on our third manager under them and living with the threat of relegation? If 3-5 years is meaningless then don’t say it at all. It puts me in mind of a certain politician saying the benefits of a 48/52 vote won’t be seen for fifty years.
You've given them 7 months! Yes they've screwed up in terms of managers, but if Jones is coming in that's a huge step forward! For all we know having Holden and Applegate may have been the SMT telling Carter and Co that's the way to go, now, it appears, the owners have made the decision, this time, and lumped money on Jones, which is by far and away the best managerial appointment in years! They may even give some of the SMT their marching orders in due course, we just don't know! They are trying to turn a failing business around, one that has been failing for years, it takes bloody time and 7 months is sod all in the scheme of things. Let's see what Jones, if it is him, can do over the next 18 months, you might be pleasantly surprised! One final point, Carter has given a time line of a plan, would you have preferred him to say "I don't know how long as we haven't got a clue/plan"?
To be fair, even if you take the view that they had no involvement before July, we’ve gone backwards in that seven months and it’s not just the managerial appointment that they’ve screwed up. The evidence suggests that the August transfer window and commentary around it was also poor, despite the excitement around it at the time. There has also been an amount of rubbish spoken about the business and the playing side on the record by Methven. Comms have been poor generally.
I think Gavin Carter’s narrative is promising and Nathan Jones is as good an appointment as we could get, but let’s not pretend the last seven months haven’t been a mess. We just don’t know how realistic the owners’ understanding of the business is, but the executive needs to do better - much better.
I was talking about what Gavin Carter said in his interview with CAST. and I get the feeling he does understand the business. I also said in my original post that the owners now seem to have taken the decision to hire Jones, as the SMT had given them Holden and Appleton, both of whom failed, and that perhaps we will see some of the SMT given their marching orders, so that could include Methven and maybe even Scott. My point is, it’s time we gave the owners the opportunity to show what they can do, now that it seems, they are in, some areas, overruling the SMT. The constant negativity about them is not helpful. Yes |I agree the SMT and comms have been poor, and the owners seem to have learnt, I guess, an expensive lesson, (pay offs for Holden/Appleton), but years and years of poor management, and owners, is not going to be reversed in 7 months. I agree with @CharltonKerry, having myself in the past, as an outside consultant, been employed by Owners to go in and sort out a 'misfunctioning' SMT and it had to change. It took time but change occurred and I had done my job but it wasn't quick and it cost. My guess is the owners no longer want to spend money on poor decisions made by some or all of the SMT. Perhaps we might see change as well? Who knows, but we'll see in pretty quick order I suggest,
My scepticism is all around the structure and the individuals making the decisions. I agree we need to see what develops.
As far as “giving owners a chance” is concerned, I think this is overstated as a problem. All ownerships bar ESI2 have received positive support and in any event they have the power to make the right decisions. It doesn’t matter what individuals post on message boards or social media. If the club moves forward fans will back them. It’s pretty hard to argue that it has in the last seven months, but the owners have the power to change that - as by the way did Duchatelet and Sandgaard, but they didn’t do so because their egos got in the way.
As for admiration for Musk. Didn’t he set up pay pal (something I don’t know or care about) which seems to be a licence to print money so well done him? But he is also the owner of twitter often described as a cesspit.
I wish Gavin Carter had said positive words about Sadiq Khan, or Medecines sans Frontiers, or William Shakespeare instead of Musk.
Why pick on 5 yrs away? He said it could take 3-5 yrs, but they hope it'll be sooner. He's being realistic and not setting silly plans of being in Europe in 5 yrs! Bloody hell mate, we have a proper Chatlton fan as one of the owners, for the first time in years, stop being so negative about everything, it must be exhausting! Whether you like it or not, and from many of your posts I guess it's the latter, let's give these guys a chance, some of this fanbase is so quick to condemn and pick out the negatives. I know you want to know who owns what % and why etc etc, but in the scheme of things it's not important, what's important is owners getting this club back on an even footing and progressing, not making unrealistic soundbites, and I don't think Carter is doing that.
I might be reading this wrong, but haven’t we already given these guys a chance and we’re on our third manager under them and living with the threat of relegation? If 3-5 years is meaningless then don’t say it at all. It puts me in mind of a certain politician saying the benefits of a 48/52 vote won’t be seen for fifty years.
Seth…..FFS, things are without doubt looking more hopeful than at any time over the last few years and even beyond. Let’s give the new owners a break and support what’s going on at present.
You particularly and too many others on CL are glass half empty merchants, it’s most discouraging and one must say, even damaging to the mindset of the fan base. I perfectly well understand why this thought pattern is ingrained into us due to the interminably and unbelievable series of ghastly events that have gone on for what seems like forever. Having said that, things have unquestionably taken a turn for the better……let’s embrace that and for the time being at least, keep our fingers firmly crossed and as best we can….. enjoy the ride.🤞 Or put another way…..”shut the fuck up.”
You start this post with my user name, and finish by telling me to shut the fuck up. Two questions. Have I ever told you (or anybody on Charlton Life) to shut the fuck up? Have you been granted any authority over who should be allowed to speak and who should shut the fuck up?
My take on it is that the owners want us to succeed and won't bail on the back of failure so far, so those hoping for a quick change won't get it. To reverse our continuing slide will take time, but until results improve the glass half empty folk will feel entitled to criticize. The table doesn't lie! However, the glass half fullers are long overdue something positive happening that doesn't prove them wrong, again, and if Jones is appointed, he won't necessarily succeed where others have failed, but it would be hard to condemn the board's decision as not showing ambition.
My take on it is that the owners want us to succeed and won't bail on the back of failure so far, so those hoping for a quick change won't get it. To reverse our continuing slide will take time, but until results improve the glass half empty folk will feel entitled to criticize. The table doesn't lie! However, the glass half fullers are long overdue something positive happening that doesn't prove them wrong, again, and if Jones is appointed, he won't necessarily succeed where others have failed, but it would be hard to condemn the board's decision as not showing ambition.
It’s the right appointment - whether it works or not.
As for admiration for Musk. Didn’t he set up pay pal (something I don’t know or care about) which seems to be a licence to print money so well done him? But he is also the owner of twitter often described as a cesspit.
I wish Gavin Carter had said positive words about Sadiq Khan, or Medecines sans Frontiers, or William Shakespeare instead of Musk.
Why pick on 5 yrs away? He said it could take 3-5 yrs, but they hope it'll be sooner. He's being realistic and not setting silly plans of being in Europe in 5 yrs! Bloody hell mate, we have a proper Chatlton fan as one of the owners, for the first time in years, stop being so negative about everything, it must be exhausting! Whether you like it or not, and from many of your posts I guess it's the latter, let's give these guys a chance, some of this fanbase is so quick to condemn and pick out the negatives. I know you want to know who owns what % and why etc etc, but in the scheme of things it's not important, what's important is owners getting this club back on an even footing and progressing, not making unrealistic soundbites, and I don't think Carter is doing that.
I might be reading this wrong, but haven’t we already given these guys a chance and we’re on our third manager under them and living with the threat of relegation? If 3-5 years is meaningless then don’t say it at all. It puts me in mind of a certain politician saying the benefits of a 48/52 vote won’t be seen for fifty years.
You've given them 7 months! Yes they've screwed up in terms of managers, but if Jones is coming in that's a huge step forward! For all we know having Holden and Applegate may have been the SMT telling Carter and Co that's the way to go, now, it appears, the owners have made the decision, this time, and lumped money on Jones, which is by far and away the best managerial appointment in years! They may even give some of the SMT their marching orders in due course, we just don't know! They are trying to turn a failing business around, one that has been failing for years, it takes bloody time and 7 months is sod all in the scheme of things. Let's see what Jones, if it is him, can do over the next 18 months, you might be pleasantly surprised! One final point, Carter has given a time line of a plan, would you have preferred him to say "I don't know how long as we haven't got a clue/plan"?
To be fair, even if you take the view that they had no involvement before July, we’ve gone backwards in that seven months and it’s not just the managerial appointment that they’ve screwed up. The evidence suggests that the August transfer window and commentary around it was also poor, despite the excitement around it at the time. There has also been an amount of rubbish spoken about the business and the playing side on the record by Methven. Comms have been poor generally.
I think Gavin Carter’s narrative is promising and Nathan Jones is as good an appointment as we could get, but let’s not pretend the last seven months haven’t been a mess. We just don’t know how realistic the owners’ understanding of the business is, but the executive needs to do better - much better.
And I think Carter said as much didn't he?
A very refreshing interview in my opinion. When he first came in I thought he was a token gesture but sounds like he has a genuine affinity with the club the same as the rest of us which really can't be a bad thing.
As for admiration for Musk. Didn’t he set up pay pal (something I don’t know or care about) which seems to be a licence to print money so well done him? But he is also the owner of twitter often described as a cesspit.
I wish Gavin Carter had said positive words about Sadiq Khan, or Medecines sans Frontiers, or William Shakespeare instead of Musk.
Why pick on 5 yrs away? He said it could take 3-5 yrs, but they hope it'll be sooner. He's being realistic and not setting silly plans of being in Europe in 5 yrs! Bloody hell mate, we have a proper Chatlton fan as one of the owners, for the first time in years, stop being so negative about everything, it must be exhausting! Whether you like it or not, and from many of your posts I guess it's the latter, let's give these guys a chance, some of this fanbase is so quick to condemn and pick out the negatives. I know you want to know who owns what % and why etc etc, but in the scheme of things it's not important, what's important is owners getting this club back on an even footing and progressing, not making unrealistic soundbites, and I don't think Carter is doing that.
I might be reading this wrong, but haven’t we already given these guys a chance and we’re on our third manager under them and living with the threat of relegation? If 3-5 years is meaningless then don’t say it at all. It puts me in mind of a certain politician saying the benefits of a 48/52 vote won’t be seen for fifty years.
You've given them 7 months! Yes they've screwed up in terms of managers, but if Jones is coming in that's a huge step forward! For all we know having Holden and Applegate may have been the SMT telling Carter and Co that's the way to go, now, it appears, the owners have made the decision, this time, and lumped money on Jones, which is by far and away the best managerial appointment in years! They may even give some of the SMT their marching orders in due course, we just don't know! They are trying to turn a failing business around, one that has been failing for years, it takes bloody time and 7 months is sod all in the scheme of things. Let's see what Jones, if it is him, can do over the next 18 months, you might be pleasantly surprised! One final point, Carter has given a time line of a plan, would you have preferred him to say "I don't know how long as we haven't got a clue/plan"?
To be fair, even if you take the view that they had no involvement before July, we’ve gone backwards in that seven months and it’s not just the managerial appointment that they’ve screwed up. The evidence suggests that the August transfer window and commentary around it was also poor, despite the excitement around it at the time. There has also been an amount of rubbish spoken about the business and the playing side on the record by Methven. Comms have been poor generally.
I think Gavin Carter’s narrative is promising and Nathan Jones is as good an appointment as we could get, but let’s not pretend the last seven months haven’t been a mess. We just don’t know how realistic the owners’ understanding of the business is, but the executive needs to do better - much better.
And I think Carter said as much didn't he?
A very refreshing interview in my opinion. When he first came in I thought he was a token gesture but sounds like he has a genuine affinity with the club the same as the rest of us which really can't be a bad thing.
I was responding to a poster who appeared to be saying the manager appointments were the extent of the errors.
As for admiration for Musk. Didn’t he set up pay pal (something I don’t know or care about) which seems to be a licence to print money so well done him? But he is also the owner of twitter often described as a cesspit.
I wish Gavin Carter had said positive words about Sadiq Khan, or Medecines sans Frontiers, or William Shakespeare instead of Musk.
Why pick on 5 yrs away? He said it could take 3-5 yrs, but they hope it'll be sooner. He's being realistic and not setting silly plans of being in Europe in 5 yrs! Bloody hell mate, we have a proper Chatlton fan as one of the owners, for the first time in years, stop being so negative about everything, it must be exhausting! Whether you like it or not, and from many of your posts I guess it's the latter, let's give these guys a chance, some of this fanbase is so quick to condemn and pick out the negatives. I know you want to know who owns what % and why etc etc, but in the scheme of things it's not important, what's important is owners getting this club back on an even footing and progressing, not making unrealistic soundbites, and I don't think Carter is doing that.
I might be reading this wrong, but haven’t we already given these guys a chance and we’re on our third manager under them and living with the threat of relegation? If 3-5 years is meaningless then don’t say it at all. It puts me in mind of a certain politician saying the benefits of a 48/52 vote won’t be seen for fifty years.
Christ you are a miserable git, I would hate to sit next to you on the bus clutching your Socialist worker and half empty coffee flask.
As for admiration for Musk. Didn’t he set up pay pal (something I don’t know or care about) which seems to be a licence to print money so well done him? But he is also the owner of twitter often described as a cesspit.
I wish Gavin Carter had said positive words about Sadiq Khan, or Medecines sans Frontiers, or William Shakespeare instead of Musk.
Why pick on 5 yrs away? He said it could take 3-5 yrs, but they hope it'll be sooner. He's being realistic and not setting silly plans of being in Europe in 5 yrs! Bloody hell mate, we have a proper Chatlton fan as one of the owners, for the first time in years, stop being so negative about everything, it must be exhausting! Whether you like it or not, and from many of your posts I guess it's the latter, let's give these guys a chance, some of this fanbase is so quick to condemn and pick out the negatives. I know you want to know who owns what % and why etc etc, but in the scheme of things it's not important, what's important is owners getting this club back on an even footing and progressing, not making unrealistic soundbites, and I don't think Carter is doing that.
I might be reading this wrong, but haven’t we already given these guys a chance and we’re on our third manager under them and living with the threat of relegation? If 3-5 years is meaningless then don’t say it at all. It puts me in mind of a certain politician saying the benefits of a 48/52 vote won’t be seen for fifty years.
Christ you are a miserable git, I would hate to sit next to you on the bus clutching your Socialist worker and half empty coffee flask.
I wouldn't advise you to tell Nathan Jones what you think of Christ.
The Trust in the past did interviews with Meire, Southall and Sandgaard in the past and got very positive reviews on here.
Actions and results is all they should be judged on
Very true but this was still an interesting read and a more pragmatic approach than previous owners.
3 to 5 years to the championship sounds ridiculous at first glance but more realistic than Premier League in five years from Sandgaard or seeing the Premier League stars of the future from Meire.
It also suggests, though can't prove, that the money men are in this for at least the medium term and won't slash and burn after a couple of years ala TS and RD. If true, that is reassuring to me.
If this is year one then they have wasted a year already so I'm not cracking open the champagne yet.
Hopefully it is under promise, over deliver although so far its been very much under deliver.
The engagement from an owner is welcome and hopefully we see and hear more of this.
3-5 years is an extreme case of planning to under promise and over deliver, though hopefully more successfully than the guy on The Apprentice last night.
My take on it is that the owners want us to succeed and won't bail on the back of failure so far, so those hoping for a quick change won't get it. To reverse our continuing slide will take time, but until results improve the glass half empty folk will feel entitled to criticize. The table doesn't lie! However, the glass half fullers are long overdue something positive happening that doesn't prove them wrong, again, and if Jones is appointed, he won't necessarily succeed where others have failed, but it would be hard to condemn the board's decision as not showing ambition.
I think supporters are wanting a quick change with the personnel here, not in America.
I remember reading that at the time and just shaking my head - some bloke actually had a real go at me when I said I reckon he's a complete charlatan. Then of course we had the rounds of applause in Crossbars, 'we're fucking rich' etc etc.
Amazed it's still available online - fair play for not taking it down I suppose.
I don't honestly think any Charlton fan should be criticised by another for showing caution, lack of trust or even pessimism after what we have all endured for the vast majority of the last twenty years.
I remember reading that at the time and just shaking my head - some bloke actually had a real go at me when I said I reckon he's a complete charlatan. Then of course we had the rounds of applause in Crossbars, 'we're fucking rich' etc etc.
Amazed it's still available online - fair play for not taking it down I suppose.
I don't honestly think any Charlton fan should be criticised by another for showing caution, lack of trust or even pessimism after what we have all endured for the vast majority of the last twenty years.
I don’t know why, but the Carter interview left me cold. Lots of management speak, and positive words, but it left me feeling like we’re a load of fund managers’ pet project, rather than a football club.
It all sounds unnecessarily complex and convoluted somehow.
Yes, CAST have done interviews with previous owners - it’s part of our role to try and build a connection and let their voices be heard without too much of a filter of official club comms. Personally I still absolutely cringe at meeting Southall. But I did get him to admit more re The Valley deal and I have strong reason to believe that what he said to me on the record was one of the causes of the fallout with Nimer.
Anyway, back to Carter. He seems genuine to me, albeit new to the world of football as a business which will be v different from his corporate experience.
Thank you for the kind comments from some at least 😉
Sandgaard: we expect to be in the premier league the day after tomorrow. Our fans: he is crazy and unrealistic. He must not understand the sport. We need a slow and structured approach to promotion. New owners: We need a slow and structured approach towards promotion. The same fans: That is unacceptable we expect you to spend millions of dollars on transfer fees now so we can be promoted the day after tomorrow.
Whilst the next manager appointment may be the right one, I have more concern around those running the place. Football isn't that much different to running any other business, get the people right and success will follow.
Sadly ever since Miere was appointed I've not seen anything other than bang average at best at the helm/senior positions and people way way out of their depth.
Whilst we chop and change the Football manager at will, the money men/owners I think need to take a good hard look at those running the show, same has applied ever since 2014.
We've been fortunate in that ten year period that we've had I dare say more junior staff holding things together as best they can (generally away from the playing side). But they can only do so much.
I think the part that I found most important was that there wasn't any attempt to try and downplay that things are not actually going to plan, or that the club being in its current position is okay really.
It does of course only matter if things actually do change and for the better but if the big boys are getting themselves involved then I am at the very least curious to see what they do next.
Yes, CAST have done interviews with previous owners - it’s part of our role to try and build a connection and let their voices be heard without too much of a filter of official club comms. Personally I still absolutely cringe at meeting Southall. But I did get him to admit more re The Valley deal and I have strong reason to believe that what he said to me on the record was one of the causes of the fallout with Nimer.
Anyway, back to Carter. He seems genuine to me, albeit new to the world of football as a business which will be v different from his corporate experience.
Thank you for the kind comments from some at least 😉
No criticism of you at all Weegie. I’m just being a curmudgeon. I’m not even blaming Carter, it’s just the modern world of football ownership is so complex. Thanks for shedding some light on it. 👍
We’re going for it !! 3-5 more years down here , maybe , beautiful … well done to the Trust for doing this and it’s nice to hear they accept it’s loss making and understand it’s not an investment .
Whilst this is the longest period in our history that we’ve lasted in the third tier when being relegated in to it , this is our 6th time and the previous 5 took 1-3 seasons to gain promotion , next season will be our 5th consecutive one in the third tier (if we don’t go down to the 4th for the first time ever ) When we first entered the Football League in 1921 we had 8 seasons in Division 3 South on the bounce , we may challenge that record, good times but please don’t be pessimistic or glass half full because next season will be the 11th in 16 seasons outside of the top two divisions having had just 4 seasons in the previous 74 years at this low level . Let’s not forget our nearest and dearest are in their best ever runs of playing at higher levels as we’re in our worst so please let me and my fellow brethren wallow in our own self pity. Bringing up 4 boys the wrong side of the river and cajoling them to support our shithouse club during this period has been a graft and some gallows humour and realism about how shit we are along the way has helped brainwash them to be Addicks for life, the eldest (now 18) went to Burton and Blackpool away the last two weekends .
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My point is, its time we gave the owners the opportunity to show what they can do, now that it seems, they are in, some areas, overruling the SMT. The constant negativity about them is not helpful. Yes |I agree the SMT and comms have been poor, and the owners seem to have learnt, I guess, an expensive lesson, (pay offs for Holden/Appleton), but years and years of poor management, and owners, is not going to be reversed in 7 months. I agree with @CharltonKerry, having myself in the past, as a outside consultant, been employed by Owners to go in and sort out a 'misfunctioning' SMT and it had to change. It took time but change occurred and I had done my job but it wasn't quick and it cost. My guess is the owners no longer want to spend money on poor decisions made by some or all of the SMT. Perhaps we might see change as well? Who knows, but we'll see in pretty quick order I suggest,
As far as “giving owners a chance” is concerned, I think this is overstated as a problem. All ownerships bar ESI2 have received positive support and in any event they have the power to make the right decisions. It doesn’t matter what individuals post on message boards or social media. If the club moves forward fans will back them. It’s pretty hard to argue that it has in the last seven months, but the owners have the power to change that - as by the way did Duchatelet and Sandgaard, but they didn’t do so because their egos got in the way.
Two questions.
Have I ever told you (or anybody on Charlton Life) to shut the fuck up?
Have you been granted any authority over who should be allowed to speak and who should shut the fuck up?
A very refreshing interview in my opinion.
When he first came in I thought he was a token gesture but sounds like he has a genuine affinity with the club the same as the rest of us which really can't be a bad thing.
I was responding to a poster who appeared to be saying the manager appointments were the extent of the errors.
3 to 5 years to the championship sounds ridiculous at first glance but more realistic than Premier League in five years from Sandgaard or seeing the Premier League stars of the future from Meire.
It also suggests, though can't prove, that the money men are in this for at least the medium term and won't slash and burn after a couple of years ala TS and RD. If true, that is reassuring to me.
If this is year one then they have wasted a year already so I'm not cracking open the champagne yet.
Hopefully it is under promise, over deliver although so far its been very much under deliver.
The engagement from an owner is welcome and hopefully we see and hear more of this.
Challenge what he says and you're accused of bullying. And then victim blaming. 🤷🏻♂️
Amazed it's still available online - fair play for not taking it down I suppose.
I don't honestly think any Charlton fan should be criticised by another for showing caution, lack of trust or even pessimism after what we have all endured for the vast majority of the last twenty years.
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Whilst the next manager appointment may be the right one, I have more concern around those running the place. Football isn't that much different to running any other business, get the people right and success will follow.
Sadly ever since Miere was appointed I've not seen anything other than bang average at best at the helm/senior positions and people way way out of their depth.
Whilst we chop and change the Football manager at will, the money men/owners I think need to take a good hard look at those running the show, same has applied ever since 2014.
We've been fortunate in that ten year period that we've had I dare say more junior staff holding things together as best they can (generally away from the playing side). But they can only do so much.
It does of course only matter if things actually do change and for the better but if the big boys are getting themselves involved then I am at the very least curious to see what they do next.
3-5 more years down here , maybe , beautiful …
well done to the Trust for doing this and it’s nice to hear they accept it’s loss making and understand it’s not an investment .
Whilst this is the longest period in our history that we’ve lasted in the third tier when being relegated in to it , this is our 6th time and the previous 5 took 1-3 seasons to gain promotion , next season will be our 5th consecutive one in the third tier (if we don’t go down to the 4th for the first time ever )
When we first entered the Football League in 1921 we had 8 seasons in Division 3 South on the bounce , we may challenge that record, good times but please don’t be pessimistic or glass half full because next season will be the 11th in 16 seasons outside of the top two divisions having had just 4 seasons in the previous 74 years at this low level .
Let’s not forget our nearest and dearest are in their best ever runs of playing at higher levels as we’re in our worst so please let me and my fellow brethren wallow in our own self pity.
Bringing up 4 boys the wrong side of the river and cajoling them to support our shithouse club during this period has been a graft and some gallows humour and realism about how shit we are along the way has helped brainwash them to be Addicks for life, the eldest (now 18) went to Burton and Blackpool away the last two weekends .
Cyber bullying lol