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Pointless University Research

Just seen news of a Cambridge University report which made BBC headlines. If you eat 2 slices of ham every day for 10 years, your chances of developing diabetes increases by 15%. I looked up the risk of diabetes for normal healthy individuals and it is 1 in 100. So for the cohort of imaginary people who eat 15kg of ham every year for 10 years the risk means 1.15 of that cohort in every 100 would likel develop diabetes.  

Reinforces the misguided ides of many healthy eaters that you can’t consume too much of food, that in minute doses, promotes good health and can’t take too little of anything that taken in massive doses is harmful.

There was the publicised case of a 41 year-old health fanatic who consumed 8 pints of carrot juice a day over 10 days and died of vitamin A poisoning.  On the same grounds that consumers seek a variety of free-from food, why don’t we have carrot-free imitation carrots?  

Also why don’t we have the much more useful research into how much carrot juice you need to consume over a few months before it kills you rather than how much ham over ten years can give you diabetes? 

The reason is, there isn't a commercial interest, like manufacturers of imitation ham, that would be served by funding it.

Comments

  • follett
    follett Posts: 1,034
    I think it's important to understand the long term impacts certain foods can have on your health. I think they've maybe picked ham as it's processed red meat and to be fair regularly consumed by many. Whilst the headline is clickbait, many people are at a higher risk of diabetes so a 15% increase can be a bit more signifcant. It's not the most useful research in the world but serves a point.

    As for carrots, you can easily find online how many carrots you need to eat before the toxicity levels are too high.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,566
    seth plum said:
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
    He's dead so he won't mind!
  • seth plum said:
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
    It's probably the reason the pig existed in the first place. 
  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    edited August 2024
    seth plum said:
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
    It's probably the reason the pig existed in the first place. 
    eh? I think that rather demeans another sentient creature.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    seth plum said:
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
    Well they shouldn’t be so bloody tasty then
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    seth plum said:
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
    But it's bloody delicious so who cares.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,966
    Dont smoke
    Dont drink
    Eat healthily
    Exercise regularly
    Die anyway
  • IdleHans said:
    Dont smoke
    Dont drink
    Eat healthily
    Exercise regularly
    Die anyway
    You forgot to say 

    Don’t watch Charlton!
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    seth plum said:
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
    I bet it could have worked out the change of an 80p purchase from £1 though
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  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,790
    I thought this was a topic on Pointless. 
  • seth plum said:
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
    If God wanted us to be vegetarian, why did he make animals out of food?
  • Dippenhall
    Dippenhall Posts: 3,919
    follett said:
    I think it's important to understand the long term impacts certain foods can have on your health. I think they've maybe picked ham as it's processed red meat and to be fair regularly consumed by many. Whilst the headline is clickbait, many people are at a higher risk of diabetes so a 15% increase can be a bit more signifcant. It's not the most useful research in the world but serves a point.

    As for carrots, you can easily find online how many carrots you need to eat before the toxicity levels are too high.
    You are six times more likely to develop diabetes if you are overweight. A 15% increase in the risk of developing diabetes is not a news worthy item unless you intend to eat ham every day for ten years.  

    The real issue is academics justifying their existence by conducting pointless research at the behest of commercial interests to influence consumer choice based on statistically insignificant findings.  


  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    DA9 said:
    seth plum said:
    ‘Ham’ is part of the carcass of a dead pig so I believe.
    Eating that may or may not be good for you, but I don’t think it is good for the animal.
    I bet it could have worked out the change of an 80p purchase from £1 though
    4 bob
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    The problem is often not that the research is pointless but that the press headlines, and often the text too, takes one element of that research and sensationalises it.

    So you get "Eating food kills you" say scientists;100% of food eaters die" when the actual research is often telling a different and more nuanced and factual tale.

    Although some research is poorly done more often it is poorly reported.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,153
    follett said:
    I think it's important to understand the long term impacts certain foods can have on your health. I think they've maybe picked ham as it's processed red meat and to be fair regularly consumed by many. Whilst the headline is clickbait, many people are at a higher risk of diabetes so a 15% increase can be a bit more signifcant. It's not the most useful research in the world but serves a point.

    As for carrots, you can easily find online how many carrots you need to eat before the toxicity levels are too high.
    You are six times more likely to develop diabetes if you are overweight. A 15% increase in the risk of developing diabetes is not a news worthy item unless you intend to eat ham every day for ten years.  

    The real issue is academics justifying their existence by conducting pointless research at the behest of commercial interests to influence consumer choice based on statistically insignificant findings.  


    If they are doing it for commercial purposes, then surely the customers are paying for the research? If this subsidises "proper" research, personally I don't have a problem with it.