Any minute now a mod is going to put the dreaded “thread closed” sign up and I’m not going to find out the outcome for Mr Coote !
to the mods when you do can you please consider the reasons behind your actions when people have tried VERY hard to keep on thread !!!
I've tried to keep to the thread topic which is very serious one, others haven't added anything sensible to the debate, other than make childish comments.
Any minute now a mod is going to put the dreaded “thread closed” sign up and I’m not going to find out the outcome for Mr Coote !
to the mods when you do can you please consider the reasons behind your actions when people have tried VERY hard to keep on thread !!!
I've tried to keep to the thread topic which is very serious one, others haven't added anything sensible to the debate, other than make childish comments.
So because you don’t agree, it’s not sensible? This is a topic I’m extremely well read on and my position is one I took before I’d even smoked a cigarette after reading ‘high society’ by Ben Elton, which left a young teenage me confused as to how anyone could think this is a workable solution.
If you’re in anyway interested as to what an utter failure America’s was on drugs has been read The New Jim Crowe, by Michelle Alexander who is a legal scholar and book references tons of academic studies, so absolutely sensible.
The simple fact is you will never take away the demand, no matter how authoritarian a government goes, so does is not make more sense to make it safer and not end people’s lives for getting caught with possession quantities?
Disagree with that, fine, we’re all entitled to our opinions, often based on the lives we’ve lived, but suggest an opposing view can’t be sensible, is simply insulting.
Any minute now a mod is going to put the dreaded “thread closed” sign up and I’m not going to find out the outcome for Mr Coote !
to the mods when you do can you please consider the reasons behind your actions when people have tried VERY hard to keep on thread !!!
I've tried to keep to the thread topic which is very serious one, others haven't added anything sensible to the debate, other than make childish comments.
So because you don’t agree, it’s not sensible? This is a topic I’m extremely well read on and my position is one I took before I’d even smoked a cigarette after reading ‘high society’ by Ben Elton, which left a young teenage me confused as to how anyone could think this is a workable solution.
If you’re in anyway interested as to what an utter failure America’s was on drugs has been read The New Jim Crowe, by Michelle Alexander who is a legal scholar and book references tons of academic studies, so absolutely sensible.
The simple fact is you will never take away the demand, no matter how authoritarian a government goes, so does is not make more sense to make it safer and not end people’s lives for getting caught with possession quantities?
Disagree with that, fine, we’re all entitled to our opinions, often based on the lives we’ve lived, but suggest an opposing view can’t be sensible, is simply insulting.
I wasn't referring to your post, there have been a few comments by others that were not on topic and most likely posted to draw a response, they know who they are.
@ME14addick; Please take this post in the spirit it's intended, as you seem like a decent person. But your apparent obsession with this thread isn't healthy - you've posted 42 times on it now and just keep repeating the same things over and over again.
You must be feeling frustrated that people aren't 100% agreeing with you, but that's just life. It doesn't make anyone right or wrong - there are just differing views. Just accept that, move on, and do something else this evening without feeling the need to reply to every post on here.
I completely disagree with ME’s position. But at the same time there is a little bit of a “pile on”.
ME, to make a genuine point, and I think this is what many are perhaps trying to say. That for every 1 cocaine user who’s ruined his life there is probably a 100 that do it from time to time and live a perfectly functional and healthy life. In short, you’re being a bit dramatic. And I’m genuinely trying to be nice here no “pile on” intended 👍
I think you've posted a very reasonable, helpful rebuttal to some of the comments @ME14addick has made, and for that, you should be congratulated. (So many seem to find it difficult to disagree agreeably).
But I would take issue with your wild suggestion that one hundred times as many people live a perfectly functional and healthy life for every life ruined by cocaine addiction.
There are reliably-gathered estimates that one person in six who tries cocaine goes on to develop a Cocaine User Disorder - a pattern of cocaine use that leads to significant impairment or distress over a 12-month period.
So, rather than your 1% figure, the significant figure is in the region of 16%-17%.
So, I think there are two issues. First is the likelihood (one in six) of progressing from "trying" or "experimenting" to developing a chronic mental disorder. For some, those odds aren't great.
Second is the destructive issues caused by six in six users. That is, for every person using cocaine, there's a trail of illegal activity, dealers, smugglers and violent criminals.
Everyone taking illegal drugs contributes to the violent, dangerous ecosystem that affects everyone.
I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple
Should blood tests be a compulsory condition of employment in any field where the employer feels it’s necessary? Do you want a drunken bus driver, or have an hallucinating surgeon operating on you?
Maybe society is moving towards de criminalising all things that alter people, but the price to pay is more and more blood and urine tests in more and more instances.
I kinda agree with this. Having just spent 2 weeks in the US (Chicago and NY) where cannabis is legal in both cities, what surprised me was that staff seemed to think it was ok to be popping out of work and having a joint.
For example porters and desk staff at the hotel at 6am.
If it is not acceptable ti be having a glass of wine in a job at that (or another time) it shouldn't be ok to smoke weed either.
I completely disagree with ME’s position. But at the same time there is a little bit of a “pile on”.
ME, to make a genuine point, and I think this is what many are perhaps trying to say. That for every 1 cocaine user who’s ruined his life there is probably a 100 that do it from time to time and live a perfectly functional and healthy life. In short, you’re being a bit dramatic. And I’m genuinely trying to be nice here no “pile on” intended 👍
I think you've posted a very reasonable, helpful rebuttal to some of the comments @ME14addick has made, and for that, you should be congratulated. (So many seem to find it difficult to disagree agreeably).
But I would take issue with your wild suggestion that one hundred times as many people live a perfectly functional and healthy life for every life ruined by cocaine addiction.
There are reliably-gathered estimates that one person in six who tries cocaine goes on to develop a Cocaine User Disorder - a pattern of cocaine use that leads to significant impairment or distress over a 12-month period.
So, rather than your 1% figure, the significant figure is in the region of 16%-17%.
So, I think there are two issues. First is the likelihood (one in six) of progressing from "trying" or "experimenting" to developing a chronic mental disorder. For some, those odds aren't great.
Second is the destructive issues caused by six in six users. That is, for every person using cocaine, there's a trail of illegal activity, dealers, smugglers and violent criminals.
Everyone taking illegal drugs contributes to the violent, dangerous ecosystem that affects everyone.
Yes, I’m sure every recreational user is entirely honest when polled on the topic.
I kinda agree with this. Having just spent 2 weeks in the US (Chicago and NY) where cannabis is legal in both cities, what surprised me was that staff seemed to think it was ok to be popping out of work and having a joint.
For example porters and desk staff at the hotel at 6am.
If it is not acceptable ti be having a glass of wine in a job at that (or another time) it shouldn't be ok to smoke weed either.
Same in Vegas (although of course i appreciate it's Vegas). As soon as you take a step outside anywhere, you can pretty much smell weed immediately.
I completely disagree with ME’s position. But at the same time there is a little bit of a “pile on”.
ME, to make a genuine point, and I think this is what many are perhaps trying to say. That for every 1 cocaine user who’s ruined his life there is probably a 100 that do it from time to time and live a perfectly functional and healthy life. In short, you’re being a bit dramatic. And I’m genuinely trying to be nice here no “pile on” intended 👍
I think you've posted a very reasonable, helpful rebuttal to some of the comments @ME14addick has made, and for that, you should be congratulated. (So many seem to find it difficult to disagree agreeably).
But I would take issue with your wild suggestion that one hundred times as many people live a perfectly functional and healthy life for every life ruined by cocaine addiction.
There are reliably-gathered estimates that one person in six who tries cocaine goes on to develop a Cocaine User Disorder - a pattern of cocaine use that leads to significant impairment or distress over a 12-month period.
So, rather than your 1% figure, the significant figure is in the region of 16%-17%.
So, I think there are two issues. First is the likelihood (one in six) of progressing from "trying" or "experimenting" to developing a chronic mental disorder. For some, those odds aren't great.
Second is the destructive issues caused by six in six users. That is, for every person using cocaine, there's a trail of illegal activity, dealers, smugglers and violent criminals.
Everyone taking illegal drugs contributes to the violent, dangerous ecosystem that affects everyone.
Yes, I’m sure every recreational user is entirely honest when polled on the topic.
Those numbers are basically guesses.
The "1 in 6" figure for individuals who develop a cocaine use disorder (CUD) after trying cocaine originates from research studies analysing the addiction potential of various drugs. This ratio corresponds to approximately 16-17% of initial cocaine users, who go on to develop dependency or exhibit compulsive use patterns.
Supporting Evidence
1. National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) has reported that about 17% of people who try cocaine become addicted. This statistic reflects the transition from experimental or recreational use to a substance use disorder, which involves compulsive drug use despite adverse consequences.
2. Drug and Alcohol Dependence Studies - Longitudinal studies estimate that between 10% and 20% of people who experiment with cocaine develop dependency or a severe use disorder. Variations are influenced by factors like the frequency of use and individual vulnerability.
3. World Health Organization - Similar statistics have been cited in international studies that assess the proportion of users who develop addiction after initiating drug use.
The figure reflects broad averages, and real-world risks may differ based on the form of cocaine used (powder vs. crack cocaine), individual predispositions, and socio-environmental factors.
So, yes, the numbers are basically "guesses". But they are guesses from the world's leading authorities on drugs and the use thereof. So, I would be inclined to believe that these guesses are far closer to the truth than guesses by other, less-qualified individuals.
Just caught up with this thread.. Where are the mods.? A thread totally ruined by the same old people.
They're all out the back queuing up for the cubicle, for some reason.
Don’t , on the rare occasion I needed to do a dump when out and the fucking cubicles are being used by punters who want a sniff it would wind me up no end ffs
Who’s gonna wanna sniff your shit?!!!!
Strange as it may seem, there are people out there who would do it at the drop of a hat and would also be prepared to pay for the (erm), privilege! 😵💫
Just caught up with this thread.. Where are the mods.? A thread totally ruined by the same old people.
They're all out the back queuing up for the cubicle, for some reason.
Don’t , on the rare occasion I needed to do a dump when out and the fucking cubicles are being used by punters who want a sniff it would wind me up no end ffs
Who’s gonna wanna sniff your shit?!!!!
Strange as it may seem, there are people out there who would do it at the drop of a hat and would also be prepared to pay for the (erm), privilege! 😵💫
They’d be cured of that perversion pretty quick if they had a go on one of mine.
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to the mods when you do can you please consider the reasons behind your actions when people have tried VERY hard to keep on thread !!!
You must be feeling frustrated that people aren't 100% agreeing with you, but that's just life. It doesn't make anyone right or wrong - there are just differing views. Just accept that, move on, and do something else this evening without feeling the need to reply to every post on here.
All the best.
But I would take issue with your wild suggestion that one hundred times as many people live a perfectly functional and healthy life for every life ruined by cocaine addiction.
There are reliably-gathered estimates that one person in six who tries cocaine goes on to develop a Cocaine User Disorder - a pattern of cocaine use that leads to significant impairment or distress over a 12-month period.
So, rather than your 1% figure, the significant figure is in the region of 16%-17%.
So, I think there are two issues. First is the likelihood (one in six) of progressing from "trying" or "experimenting" to developing a chronic mental disorder. For some, those odds aren't great.
Second is the destructive issues caused by six in six users. That is, for every person using cocaine, there's a trail of illegal activity, dealers, smugglers and violent criminals.
Everyone taking illegal drugs contributes to the violent, dangerous ecosystem that affects everyone.
Do you want a drunken bus driver, or have an hallucinating surgeon operating on you?
Those numbers are basically guesses.
So, yes, the numbers are basically "guesses". But they are guesses from the world's leading authorities on drugs and the use thereof. So, I would be inclined to believe that these guesses are far closer to the truth than guesses by other, less-qualified individuals.